I'm pretty sure that is incorrect correct (i.e. it happened after the duckNote->darkNote rename and after most of the fastmine was already burned out), and the first announcement of any development plans and new features such as encrypted messaging was simultaneous with the darknote launch. See for example https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=632595.msg8892752#msg8892752 . I can't find, nor do I remember, anything earlier, and I was (and am) somewhat of a fan of ducknoze's quirky marketing, so I think it is fairly likely I would remember.

My hypothesis (totally unproven, but consistent with the history and a rational analysis of motives) is that they wanted to see whether they could accumulate a huge stash of cheap coins in the first few months of fast mining before revealing anything. If unsuccessful they probably would have just launched another coin instead of the rename/roadmap.


Yes the difference is that 80% of the coins (or whatever the actual number is for XDN, I don't exactly know) were not already mined.

Furthermore, the Monero project operates (and has always operated) in the open, consisted of people with established reputations (and who didn't know each other), some with real-world identities, and was always open to new participants. It was always stated transparently that the goal was to operate as a long-term open source project and develop the technology in an open-ended manner. The idea of some sort of hidden agenda where plans were withheld in order to take advantage of a cheap coins from a fastmine just doesn't pass the laugh test.

Ducknote/darknote/digitalnote, by contrast, as far as we can verify, consists of one forum nick called dNote with zero history, zero reputation, and whose actions are is entirely consistent with a manipulative scheme to accumulate the bulk of the coins before revealing any specific or significant plans (exactly the same process of disclosure used by x-coin/darkcoin, an equivalnce you seem to want to ignore). If and when the project goes bad or simply fades away (once the fastmine coins have been sufficiently pumped and dumped), the entire reputational cost of that will be one burned forum nick.

I'm really surprised that in this intensely competitive and adversarial environment, someone as astute as you doesn't seem to understand that prudent investment requires interpreting actors and actions in the least favorable light consistent with verifiable facts, and that creating actionable investment situations requires presenting things such that the least favorable light is still favorable. IMO it is clear that Monero has done this, and dNote has not.

Finally, a three month mining period is not the same as a three year mining period. Such a difference in magnitude is a difference in kind.


There is no grudge and I don't really care what dNote does. However, this is a thread for discussing altcoins and specifically altcoin investments an in objective manner, so I'm going to comment on process and incentives, which IMO make dNote (and any other coin operating in that model) an unfavorable and unattractive investment story.

Short term speculation, who knows. If anything pump-and-dump coins can be excellent speculation plays if you can time your own trades to front run what you think the insiders are going to do (difficult, but not necessarily impossible). I think rpietila made this observation about Bytecoin fairly recently

EDIT: First, I misread your post as stating that the roadmap was under duckNote, but I corrected that above. I've now reviewed 100% of dNote's posts prior to the rename and found no evidence of a roadmap prior to the duckNote->darkNote rename. Further, I reviewed the state of the duckNote web site prior on archive.org immediately prior to the rename and found only this roadmap, which shows little to nothing of substance.

  I must Create a System, or be enslav'd by another Man's; I will not Reason and Compare: my business is to Create.

It is far too early in the history of e-cash to start huffily declaring what is or isn't a "normal period of relative maturity for a coin."

Noobs will always cry "zomg insta/fast/ninja-mine" because they missed out.  You know this.  And you also know the market will decide.

The DuckNote brand was obviously inspired by Dogecoin's enormous success in making a fun, inclusive, lighthearted, less toxic, less Serious Nerd Business alternative to Bitcoin.  People complain that "Monero" is a stupid name too...and they also whine about XMR emission being too slow/fast/eternal/hot/cold/tepid/not Just Right/etc.

The extremely ambitious XND development plan was released last year, under the DarkNote appellation (*looks for citation, grows lazy, gives up*).

We all had plenty of time to buy and/or mine during the PoW phase.  I will however, admit being somewhat uncomfortable with the surprise shift to PoS, which IMO violates the social contract (and I said so at the time).  But whatever, it's dNotes pet/hobby project and he can do what he wants with it.

You don't seriously expect the a coin's devs to (necessarily) know, much less announce, their roadmap at their coin's launch, do you?

If you do, then I'll point out that XMR's (magnificent) plan for "enterprise grade" scaling wasn't posted until almost a year after launch.

(OMG, how was that fair to all the people who missed their chance to buy cheap land on Monero Mountain??11!??!!1!)

So what if dNote teased us about the Golden Ampersand Bug?  It's unbecoming to punch down instead of up.  Rather than bitterly holding grudges, let's incorporate private messaging into Monero.  That'll show'em!  


PS Thx for the explanation of tail-end emission w/r/t 64bit address space!  

It has been stated that it will be released.

For security of funds the back end does not matter. The transactions are created and signed in the front end. The back end simply relays them, which is no different in function from any other node.

There is a back end that is not released, but the functions it performs are relatively simple, and do receive the spend keys at all (see next sentence). Most of the functionality, including all operations on spend keys, are done using JavaScript code you can view in your browser.

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It is curious that there is no historically accurate mining schedule in the OP or the web home page, and it just says:


Does anyone think it might be useful or relevant to point out that for the first month the rewards started at 320 000, roughly 2000 times the current reward, the second month 1000 times, etc.?


Or is the idea to hide the fastmine behind two renames, a shuttered web site, and a locked thread?

I'd like to clarify an issue that has rightly been raised by some attentive community members, which is my earlier statement about the Bittrex exchange adding the DigitalNote to its trading options, thanks to the Foundation's direct effort. People here have correctly pointed out that Bittrex has been trading the XDN in the past and as many of you know, the reason Bittrex has removed DigitalNote from its current exchange system was the low trading volume of the coin.

We were in negotiations with Bittrex to indicate that the overall trading volume across all exchanges has been steadily rising, since the time they've made their decision to remove it, and it is now at an appropriate level to be added back to Bittrex. Therefore, we were successful in outlining this trend to the managers at Bittrex, who took necessary action to return DigitalNote back to trading facility. Hope this clarifies the confusion.

Hi guys. Over the past several weeks the XDN Foundation, among other things, has been actively working with multiple exchanges so that they would add the DigitalNote to their trading options. Some were cooperative and other more reluctant, but we keep working with everyone we can reach. Today, I'm proud to present you the first result of these negotiations: the XDN can now be traded on Bittrex.com!

This is only a first step on a long road, but now we are entirely sure that there is indeed a demand for XDN trading among exchanges and that we are sure to be successful in bringing the DigitalNote to the masses. Now feel free to go there and get the trade flowing!

is there an guide for solo mining?

Hes meaning, Command Line Interface (CLI) How the coin was before the wallet upgrade to QT.

Is there a way of doing this using the CLI? I like my Cryptonote coins old school

The application “digitalnotewallet” can’t be opened.

Thanks. A question regarding "PoW difficulty is adjusted to the current fraction of on-line holders, so the blockchain grows evenly":
How do you measure the fraction of on-line holders?

Is there some formal definition of "Proof-of-activity" available somewhere? (eg, a whitepaper)