So what's the expected response when the government start getting in the way of the functioning of the infrastructure. Just as an example - California's newest round of emissions laws have forced truckers to purchase brand new rigs that actually get about 10% less gas mileage when hauling a load. They're also paying a higher licensing fee to pay for the regulation on the new engine components which are being inspected at weigh stations.

Myrkul, I thought this would be better off in it's own thread.

Lets start with a definition of what ancap is, then I'll tell you the things that make me raise an eyebrow 

Argue it anyway you like - you're still incorrect. Measuring at the wall with 3x 5770 and then measuring the same machine with a 7970 instead... will clearly show which is ahead.

per specs maximum draw for a 5570 is 108W. Lets use that number. My cards (which are drawing ~75 are getting over 200mh/s).

5770 - 108w @ 200 mh/s.

7970 - ~300w @ (lets say) 600 mh/s.

Now based on 'worst case' numbes the 7970 is slightly ahead.

The difference between the idle draw on the 5770 and the 7970 is 3 watts. Also idle doesn't matter, since you can't mine while idle. It's fine, rest assured that your 7970 will probably resell for a few hundred bucks once asics hit... while I'm losing slightly more money if I can't resell mine. Due to them only costing 1/6th of the price.

I'm not opposed to the idea of it... but nobody's been able to sell it to me yet. But I'm not really that far off of it.

It's possible I screwed the the math.

I'm showing a difference of 42 watts between idle and loaded - with a single 5770. The cards limited to 75w (per ATI). A 7970 is ~200 watts difference between idle and load. (and limited to 250 per ATI). Are you getting 600 mh/s out a 7970? If not then my 5770s are out preforming you and using less power.

If true, that's interesting - and also quite ironic. It probably isn't the first time I've been ignored by a troll. But if the quality of your posts is anything to judge by, I'm honored to be on your ignore list.

I should also point out that their business model is based on biblical principles. They don't hire lazy/dis-honest workers. They also do drug testing and full background checks. The business model would fail if it didn't include superior service.

That's not it at all.

Some of us were actually smart and did research before we got involved in mining.

I for example run some fpgas, and a bunch of 5770 (most power friendly mining card there is if you configure it correctly).

My incomes gone from ~2btc per day to ~1.2 btc in recent weeks. My power bill for my whole place offset by solar (which is junk in winter) but right now I'm heating via mining and paying about $90 per month on an electric bill, which is only slightly more than I'd pay for firewood or gas heating.

Price of btc is still rising, and should continue to rise until the release of ASIC. By my speculation, it's going to stabalize around 15-16 usd per before march (which is when I think asic's are landing).

I'm saying, you're welcome to try it, it might even work for a generation. But I promise you, once you've socialized violence out of generation two --- it will promptly go down in flames.

All animals practice selective breeding. Being physically able to dominate your environment is a survival trait. You won't be able to socialize it out of every person on the planet. Politically you don't have any way to even attempt that under the tenants of what you're proposing. It would require coercion, but if you don't, someone somewhere is going to come destroy your ancap society... just as soon as your general population is docile enough and rich enough.

btc as an ingame money could work.

But the back-end for that would have to be extremely beefy. You'd have to track everything (and I do mean everything) with a current value assigned.

The only way I'd see it working if it was a subscription modem. Where you turn around and pump some insane amount (like 50% or 75%) of your profit back into the game.

The idea is this. You assign a type of object (say monster loot) a bucket - then you assign a percentage of influx to that bucket (as 20%) so 20% of the value added to the game goes into that bucket. Then each monster gets a set percentage based on it's data, and anything added to the bucket would be split up accordingly. Then assuming a player loots the monster, he would get those btc (or item that he could sell to an npc for that much btc).

Anything that doesn't get looted before it decays get it's vaule re-assigned to the 'influx' as do any coin from players purchasing items from in-game vendors. Now here's the interesting part. You really is a chance for a free to play model here... provided you were willing to seed the initial btc yourself and have reasonable prices. The really great thing about it would be each account or char.

There's a ton of lee-way for getting creative about how the seeding works in an mmo tho. Maybe everything drops as bound item - not vendor sellable - and players would need to spend btc to unlock the item - allowing them to trade the item, which would allow them to sell it to another player or an npc. You could scrape a tiny bit off that transaction making money every time someone unlocked an item.

The obvious advantage would be that you wouldn't be running a 'pay to win' model and you wouldn't be selling anything "exclusive" for btc. I think about the only thing you could get away with 'selling' would be some anti-annoyance features. Things like stacks of craft components, corpse summons and maybe item repairs (but these would have to be very micro indeed to prevent them from killing the game).

As you'll recall - I said it would be march at the earliest. I'll be pleased if they show up any sooner than that.

Flawed research.

Besides that... what would you have us do? Discriminate against anyone that comes from a family of bankers?

Not even that - I think hookworms would be more accurate. Start off small, leech a little... eventually grow to the point that they kill the host.

I feel the entire idea is inherently flawed. It amounts to saying "if nobody had guns there wouldn't be any gun violence" ... if people were non-violent it would work. The problem is defending it from anyone who's willing to shed a little blood.

I imagine that if such a society existed, it would be over-run by mafia-esq companies, security providers or whatever you want to call them.

Probably workable with some sizable portion of the population have decent financial situations... I think the issue is that it wouldn't work on the macro scale. There would simply be too many people who weren't able or inclined to contribute. It's called socialism. Works well in the micro where everyone's equally invested (like blood related) but fails miserably in the macro.

I think this post deserves my two favorite Churchill quotes.

“Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.”

&

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”

Well the good thing is, Dwolla has an immediate cashout option... anything that lands in mine is immediately wired to bank.

violence is essential to life. To try to 'educate' or 'socialize' it away is utter folly. You have a fear response for a reason, you have a rage response for a reason. Both act as safety valves on different situations.

I think it's sad that I can't get decent thai food in norther california.