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421  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do you ever trade at work? on: January 20, 2020, 02:38:48 PM

but if anyone has done it I think it is a very risky activity because if caught by the boss then most likely the person will be scolded
not only scolded in my opinion, the biggest risk is to be fired, because it violates office rules, and besides that it violates office hours that should work but is used for personal gain, but it would be a different story if the company owner also trades, I think this can be an advantage, because it can be close to the owner of the company because it has the same hobby.

Sometimes it might depend on how urgent your current assignment is at work, but regardless of the conditions on what you're doing you shouldn't be caught by your boss doing other things unless he or she is like a close of you although that is kinda biased for your co-workers, it would still be best to avoid it. You're earning anyway in your job so you could just take it as a part time at home.
This is about how we divide time, and of course the priority is the work that is in the office, I have also done the same thing, but I do it when work in the office is done and I have free time, there I use the opportunity to trade. I don't often do things like that because I really should focus on work in the office and don't let the office target not be reached.
what if someone knows about crypto and tries to spy on your account if you log in at work? I'm worried about that. I better do it on a mobile phone, because there are many trading applications that are good enough to use anywhere.
422  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN](ICO) Orionix - Comission Free Games And Items Exchange on: January 20, 2020, 01:59:03 PM
Sepertinya developer Orionix belum mampu mengadakan IEO pada exchanger yang berkualitas, setelah pengalaman yang tidak bagus bersama Shortex team justru memilih mengadakan IEO pada exchanger yang tidak berpengalaman mengadakan IEO. Tapi ya semoga aja seperti yang agan bilang karena IEO Orionix adalah IEO perdana bagi Fex exchange, mereka akan berusaha maksimal untuk menyukseskannya.
belum mampu untuk membayar biaya operasional yang di tetapkan oleh Exchanger gan karena market besar mematok 2 hingga 10 btc untuk bisa ieo di exchange mereka makanya tim memilih market yang tidak harus membayar gan,Kurang nya antusiasme investor jika ieo di market kecil karena kalau listing nanti token nya sangat kecil volume trading harian.
ya mereka juga lihat kapasitas proyek dan dana mereka juga tidak bisa asal masuk exchange berkualitas, mereka melihat antusias pada proyek ini bagaimana, karena kalau modal habis banyak buat masuk exchange yang berkualitas saja nanti syg mereka tidak bisa mempertahankan nilainya gmn?
423  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: January 19, 2020, 03:02:15 PM
the odds for manchester united are very big @7.6, probably most people will try their luck by taking Mancester utd and among them maybe most fans of manchester united. while the odds for liverpool @1.45, the market has predicted it seems difficult to beat liverpool at home.
Anfield effect is probably the cause of those huge odds. Liverpool have turned Anfield into a fortress of late and winning from there is close to impossible for the like of United.
This is the kind of game i would just like to carry out a live betting on, after watching at least the first 20 minutes of it.

Yes!!It is not easy to beat Liverpool at home, And I think Man is able to threaten Liverpool net, I will follow the match and bet roles for Mnu It will be really fun Grin And I think many gamblers will refuse to bet for Man.

of course, a record 100% home victory. but Manchester United have good capital in the first round match. a team that is able to draw against liverpool, so I think it's true you said it would be fun to take on Manchester United but certainly not by putting a lot of money Cheesy
424  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: January 19, 2020, 01:24:36 PM
yesterday none of the big teams won. Will the same thing happen tonight? Even Chelsea again suffered defeat at home to Newcastle. This is a very exciting week in the English premier league. I really hope Manchester United make a surprise tonight by holding a draw or beating Liverpool. Even though this seems very difficult to happen.

the odds for manchester united are very big @7.6, probably most people will try their luck by taking Mancester utd and among them maybe most fans of manchester united. while the odds for liverpool @1.45, the market has predicted it seems difficult to beat liverpool at home.
425  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⭐️⭐️⭐️ROMAD - NEXT GENERATION ANTI-VIRUS! WORKING PRODUCT!⭐️⭐️⭐️ on: January 19, 2020, 07:03:41 AM
seperti yang saya katakan, kalau mau di awal sediain market aja dulu mau ada yang beli atau tidak, karena nanti perkembangan yang akan menggerakan itu, pasti nanti ketika melihat ada news baru pasti langsung pada buy di market, sedangkan kalau tidak ada exchange gimana?
Idealnya sebuah proyek sudah melisting pada exchange sejak penjualan berakhir karena pergerakan perkembangan pada proyeklah yang menggerakkan arah kenaikan harga di exchange dibandingkan pengaruh pasar karena proyeknya masih dalam perkembangan mainnet, tapi cukup di sayangkan bagi investor romad karena sudah 3 tahun menanti belum juga di sediakn market resmi
3 tahun gimana perasaannya para investor ya? mungkin kepercayaa itu sudah hilang. mungkin juga sebagian sudah melupakannya alias pasrah dan saya yakin ketika nanti ada market walaupun nilainya tidak di atas harga saat beli, mereka akan langsung menjual karena sudah kecewa. yang saya takutkan adalah dana investor itu malah habis sama tim, karena ada contoh yg saya tahu dari org dalam di proyek indo, jadi dananya habis sama tim, dan akhirnya projek scam. tapi mudah2an proyek ini ngga gitu sih, soalnya kalau sesuai roadmap, romad akan meluncurkan exchange di Q2 2020 berarti antara april-juni.
426  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⭐️⭐️⭐️ROMAD - NEXT GENERATION ANTI-VIRUS! WORKING PRODUCT!⭐️⭐️⭐️ on: January 19, 2020, 05:55:17 AM
di awal harusnya memang nyediain market sih, kemudian baru kembangin produk nah kalau sukses nilai di market bisa naik. tapi kalau kaya gini ya was was juga sebagai investor.
Setiap team sebuah proyek pasti punya strategi masing2, mungkin bagi Romad team lebih mengutamakan perkembangan produk karena tidak mau investor merugi juga jika langsung list di market karena tidak adanya buyer yang tertarik membeli token yang produknya belum jadi. Tapi ya itu tadi, jika seperti ini pun investor pasti bakal kehilangan kepercayaan terhadap team, apalagi jika tidak ada jawaban tiap kali ditanyakan tentang exchange.
kalau misalkan ujung2nya mereka terdaftar di market tapi market biasa terus tidak sesuai harapan, sedangkan para investor sudah cukup lama menunggu tentang exchange ini, bagaimana nantinya?
seperti yang saya katakan, kalau mau di awal sediain market aja dulu mau ada yang beli atau tidak, karena nanti perkembangan yang akan menggerakan itu, pasti nanti ketika melihat ada news baru pasti langsung pada buy di market, sedangkan kalau tidak ada exchange gimana?
427  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⭐️⭐️⭐️ROMAD - NEXT GENERATION ANTI-VIRUS! WORKING PRODUCT!⭐️⭐️⭐️ on: January 18, 2020, 12:19:12 PM
Ane sependapat jika team lebih memperioritaskan produk daripada melisting token mereka ke exchange akan berdampak baik bagi proyek nya, apalagi seperti Romad ini yang update dari kemajuan produk mereka kelihatan dan mereka masih aktif melalui sosial media mereka.
Tapi ya mungkin saja beberapa investor mulai kehilangan kesabaran atau memang membutuhkan modal yang udah mereka invest dalam Romad sehingga memilih menjual di ED.
Tipe2 investor beda2 sih gan, tapi emang mending ngembangin produk dulu daripada terburu-buru list diexchange, karena kebanyakan proyek (apalagi pas 2017) banyak proyek yg cepet2 masuk exchange tapi produknya terbengkalai atau bahkan terkesan lama banget buat digunakan dan itu yg bikin nanti harga makin turun.
ya seharusnya sebagai investor kan kita harus melihat proyeknya terus liat juga perkembangan produknya, tapi memang kalau investasi di crypto itu harus berimbang, soalnya susah diprediksi kebanyakan scam.
di awal harusnya memang nyediain market sih, kemudian baru kembangin produk nah kalau sukses nilai di market bisa naik. tapi kalau kaya gini ya was was juga sebagai investor.
428  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN]⭐[ICO] Pixby - Where Creativity Is Rewarded 💰 [IEO LIVE] on: January 18, 2020, 08:42:28 AM
Model pendanaan baru lagi aja apakah ini akan jadi saingan IEO untuk kedepannya? Cheesy dan data dari verisafe ane ga nemuin dicoinmarketcap, dan terus baru verisafe aja sejauh ini yg nerima IDO sehingga Pixby ngadain disana?
Ini sebenarnya IEO yang dibalut dengan decentralized exchange saja, lebih lengkapnya bisa baca di https://www.coinspeaker.com/guides/what-is-initial-dex-offering-ido-complete-guide/ tapi kalo gasalah di IDO ini ga ada batasan negara mana saja yang boleh beli tokennya #cmiiw
berarti kesimpulan nya IDO seperti IEO ya ,cuman decentralized exchange , saya buka situs nya seperti nya pembelian secara instan ya ?
tidak seperti market market lain , hanya conek metask langsung bisa buy
yg saya baca IDO ini gagasan dari binance DEX, wow bakalan bagus sih ini dan masih belum di eksplorasi berarti masih dalam tahap pengembangan ya?
tapi menurut saya sih intinya bakalan sama saja kalau soal pengumpulan dana lewat ICO,IEO, atau IDO. yang ngaruh pasti exchangenya, kalau IDO di adain di binance pasti bagus dan sukses. tapi kalau di market lain seperti market kecil atau biasa saja? ya kita tahu sendiri.
429  Economy / Economics / Re: Halving is approacing: HOLD YOUR BITCOINS AND NEVER SELL THEM (118 days left) on: January 18, 2020, 07:09:19 AM
We already observe the down and up price of bitcoin but until these days I'm not selling it. Although others are in panic when it's declined that they are able to sell it for sure they will realized how worth it to wait until such time of pump happen in bitcoin. Halving is approaching and I think of more growth will happen in bitcoin.

now is not the right time to sell, but buying more for halving is it worth it? I hope it will be the same as 2017. so maybe I will invite some people to invest and become rich in 2021.
430  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: No one ever sells, nor buys anything in BitCoin.. Think this is wrong, read on! on: January 18, 2020, 05:53:09 AM
It is already there, rules are already set but the thing here is that they still don't accept bitcoin as it is. These stores accept bitcoin through their wallet which is a fiat wallet where bitcoins are automatically converted to fiat. Despite them using bitcoin, it is still in fiat and that is really sad.

No matter if they convert it to fiats or let is stay the same currency, as long as they are pushing peoppe to use cryptocurrency, it is never a mistake by them to add bitcoin and altcoin to their system. Today, what we need are the kind of stores like these, they might not find the true value of bitcoin, still, they are the mediators of sdoption for people that are open to accept bitcoin as it is, hodl it, and keep it as valuable.
what is needed is the adoption of bitcoin for daily needs, so that it can spread to many people. at this time although there are some shops that accept payments via bitcoin, but I see it is not optimal, so it only has a small effect on cryptocurrency, on the other hand the role of government is needed to socialize bitcoin
the problem is the fluctuation of bitcoin which makes most people still think of accepting bitcoin. besides that you can also see the transaction speed of bitcoin and the amount of fee might be a little heavy for those small shops accepting payments using bitcoin. but of course there are so many altcoins that might be an alternative, not necessarily bitcoin.
431  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN](ICO) Orionix - Comission Free Games And Items Exchange on: January 18, 2020, 04:28:32 AM
memang kita hanya melihat dari sudut pandang tim Orionix mereka curhat apa yang mereka alami, tapi mereka udah berani menuduh scam tanpa bukti foto, dan mereka malah membuat thread di steemit saya lihat, kenapa tidak membuat thread di forum ini dan jika benar ada banyak IEO yang mengalami hal sama kenapa tidak suruh buktikan bareng dengan membuat thread di forum ini juga.
Dan mereka juga kaya ngadain airdrop juga buat 10 user yang beruntung dengan tweet yang berisi link artikel tersebut, entah kenapa mereka tidak membuat thread diboard Scam Accusations biar pada tahu dan jelasin masalah secara detail+bukti yg kuat.
mungkin mereka gk berani gan buat di scam accusitions di dalam artikelnya aja mereka tidak ada bukti2 kuat mengenai scamers , mungkin itu alasan mereka aja karena tidak mendapatkan dana banyak dan membuat fud tentang market tersebut.
iya juga, kalau memang seperti yang mereka katakan, kenapa tidak memberikan bukti percakapannya.
bisa jadi begitu, mungkin bentuk kekecewaan juga bisa jadi. tapi emang kalau ngadagin IEO terus tidak sukses atau tidak dapat banyak dana yang harus disalahin exchangenya? kenapa dia tidak sadar pada proyek sendiri. kalau memang proyeknya bagus mah yaudah tinggal daftar IEO di market yang lebih bagus.
432  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Daily Living on: January 17, 2020, 01:20:47 PM
to be honest i can't use bitcoin every day. because I think bitcoin is a good type of coin used for long-term investment. and I also don't count on earning from cryptocurrency to meet my daily needs. because cryptocurrency is very volatile I only use bitcoin for long-term investments and some altcoin for short-term investments. I already have a real job that I use to buy my daily needs.

Looks like we're the same, dude. For me, using bitcoin to fulfill my daily needs is still not possible due to limited knowledge and development in my region or country. But I still use it to trade every day, yeah at least I still use bitcoin as an investment and trade asset. The rest I just wait until in my country bitcoin can develop better than now.

bitcoin is not feasible for small transactions, because the fees are too high especially if used daily transactions and I am the same as you guys probably most also do the same thing, it's better to hold bitcoin in the long term and use altcoin for transactions using crypto. but unfortunately in offline I can't use it because it's limited, but in online I often use it, like buying internet packages, paying for the internet bills and games voucher.
433  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN]⭐[ICO] Pixby - Where Creativity Is Rewarded 💰 [IEO LIVE] on: January 17, 2020, 11:27:12 AM
kalau menurut prediksi saya 5 exchanger biasa, kan sekarang sudah banyak exchanger jadi masukin sana sini cari yang memang tidak mengeluarkan fee besar. karena kalau exchanger top kenapa harus 5, 1 saja sudah cukup kalau memang itu exchanger top. karena masuk exchanger top itu tidak sembarang, bukan dilihat dari banyak uang untuk masuk sana, tapi memang benar benar proyek yang bagus atau masuk kualifikasi untuk listing di disana.
5 exchanger disini maksudnya bukan IEO nya bakal dilakukan pada ke 5 exchanger itu gan, tapi team memberikan 5 pilihan exchanger bagi komunitas mereka untuk memilih salah satunya nantinya. Berbicara besar kecilnya ke 5 exchanger itu ane rasa juga exchanger kecil ya mengingat dana yang dibutuhkan untuk bisa melakukan IEO di exchanger besar tidak sedikit.
kalau menurut saya melakukan IEO di exchanger besar bukan melulu soal dana besar, bahkan sangat mungkin bisa tanpa dana. tapi tergantung proyek itu sendiri gan. kalau soal dana kan kita bisa memberi sebagian token kepada exchange tersebut, karena sudah pasti kalau IEO di adakan di exchange besar seperti binance sudah pasti laku. tapi disini tergantung dari binancenya, kalau mereka melihat potensi yang bagus pada proyek tersebut pasti mereka mau menyelenggarakan IEO untuk proyeknya. tapi kita tentu jangan terlalu berharap banyak pixby akan ke arah sana. karena setiap proyek ada pasarnya masing2 dan tidak semua proyek akan sukses besar.
jadi sejauh ini pixby cukup bagus sesuai kapasitasnya terus berkembang dan mencoba mendaftar IEO di beberapa exchange untuk menarik investor.
434  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN]⭐[ICO] Pixby - Where Creativity Is Rewarded 💰 [IEO LIVE] on: January 17, 2020, 10:13:29 AM
Mereka sudah bernegosiasi sama 5 exchange dan akan segera dipublikasikan exchange mana saja serta meminta komunitas untuk memilih yang terbaik
Keputusan yang tepat team memilih untuk melakukan IEO tahap selanjutnya dalam exchanger lain, dan penglibatan komunitas dalam pengambilan keputusan terkait exchanger IEO selanjutnya menunjukkan team mengapresiasi kepedulian komunitas bagi keberlangsungan proyek mereka.
kayak nya bignews banget ni bagi komunitas melakukan IEO di 5 exchanger asal betul aja bukan iming iming dari tim pixby , kira kira 5 exchanger itu exchanger top atau tidak takut nya sama tidak jauh bedah dengan P2PB2B
kalau menurut prediksi saya 5 exchanger biasa, kan sekarang sudah banyak exchanger jadi masukin sana sini cari yang memang tidak mengeluarkan fee besar. karena kalau exchanger top kenapa harus 5, 1 saja sudah cukup kalau memang itu exchanger top. karena masuk exchanger top itu tidak sembarang, bukan dilihat dari banyak uang untuk masuk sana, tapi memang benar benar proyek yang bagus atau masuk kualifikasi untuk listing di disana.
435  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN][BOUNTY][[BazToken][BAZ][BAZOOKA - Platform Investasi Terdesentralisasi] on: January 17, 2020, 09:02:10 AM
kok harusnya ngeluarin uang gede sih gan kalau cuma buat vote? mending langsung bayar aja kalau gitu sudah pasti masuk kan? sistem vote menurut saya tergantung solidnya komunitas, tidak harus maksain ngeluarin banyak uang cuma buat ikut sistem vote, kalau menang masih mending, tapi kalau kalah gimana?
Mungkin maksudnya biar komunitas pada mau voting tentu harus ada campaign biar mereka semangat agar dana para partisipan voting yang menggunakan HBT akan terganti oleh reward yang dijanjikan oleh tim Baztoken begitu, kalau ga ada dorongan seperti itu biasanya komunitas tidak akan solid.
padahal logikanya kalau mereka solid hasilnya buat mereka juga ya kalau misalkan token tersebut masuk exchange, mereka juga enak bisa jual apalagi kalau market bagus bisa naik harganya. bahkan saya pernah hold salah satu koin yang harus bayar pake token, saya pasti support tidak harus ada iming2 imbalan dari proyek tersebut.
436  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How can we overcome our gambling addiction! on: January 16, 2020, 12:21:37 PM
Its been  easy to overcome the gambling addiction you can do anything just busy your self in other things so that you can avoid gambling. I've been addicted also in gambling everyday i do gamble in offline. In the first please its not easy to stop but in a weeks that i never go in gambling i stop it and until now i don't gamble anymore.
it's not as easy as you say, sometimes people are addicted to ruin everything, it's because they have difficulty controlling. in my opinion if addiction is fatal, it needs a companion like a psychologist.
but if addiction is still within reasonable limits, maybe it can be cured by yourself or family, and friends around. because I also played gambling for 3 years and addiction is still within reasonable limits, to recover it comes from myself because I really can control myself well.
437  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can bitcoin touch 9k USD next month? on: January 16, 2020, 10:00:34 AM
It's touching and trying to be above $9k as we speak. The hope is again ignited in all of the crypto enthusiasts and we may see an accumulation period here before the major resistance is $9400. The main difference this time is Major alts doing well and trying to recover, it's a go sign for everyone.

I guess accumulating at $6,000 level didn't work right, as Bitcoin are very slow to recover even after the halving hype kicked in. Maybe retailers had a strong doubt then? Though accumulating at this current level may not be as bad as those who will be FOMOing when the price starts to make a big leap and rally to new heights.

Anyway, the OP's prediction is more likely to happen, and what's more interesting is Bitcoin could be in the $10,000 level next month.

there are still around 2 weeks and it can go faster to touch $10k, even when the OP created a thread 2 days ago, then the price has reached $9k which he predicted next month.
is it possible that $10k was reached this month? if it goes faster it means the bullish sign has started.
438  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Periksa mata uang UVU, itu akan memberi Anda keuntungan tahun ini. on: January 16, 2020, 07:06:41 AM
apa yang anda harapkan dari semua ini? anda ingin orang orang membeli token anda? mengapa anda tidak fokus pada pengembangan proyek mungkin itu bisa membuat mata orang terbuka untuk melihat proyek anda dan berinvestasi didalamnya. jika anda terus mencari pembeli dengan cara ini tentu itu akan sulit karena reputasi yang anda dapatkan saat ini.
439  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN][BOUNTY][[BazToken][BAZ][BAZOOKA - Platform Investasi Terdesentralisasi] on: January 16, 2020, 05:53:46 AM
Ternyata voting twitter Hotbit cuma tahapan awal saja untuk bisa listing, nanti diseleksi lagi jadi 6 dan kemudian akan diadakan voting lagi lalu ditemukanlah pemenangnya yang hanya satu project saja, Baztoken saya rasa tidak sulit untuk menembus 6 besar tapi kalo untuk sesi voting nanti yang pakai token HTB sepertinya bakalan sulit karena cuma satu slot saja.
https://medium.com/@hotbit/voting-for-new-token-listing-on-hotbit-e1ee234b5afe

berarti akhir nya yang di ambil hanya satu pemenang saja untuk bisa list di hotbit jelas cukup sulit bagi BazToken karena BazToken termasuk proyek baru sementara saingan BazToken adalah proyek proyek sudah lama ada
klo sistemnya voting saya rasa bisa aja menang gan tpi team dari bazooka harus ngeluarin uang gede buat sistem voting kayak gini, pasti klo ada rewerd voting yg ikutan juga banyak apa lgi sistem votingnya itu rewerdnya gk pakek undian
kok harusnya ngeluarin uang gede sih gan kalau cuma buat vote? mending langsung bayar aja kalau gitu sudah pasti masuk kan? sistem vote menurut saya tergantung solidnya komunitas, tidak harus maksain ngeluarin banyak uang cuma buat ikut sistem vote, kalau menang masih mending, tapi kalau kalah gimana?
440  Economy / Speculation / Re: I Bet Bitcoin Reaches $10k In the Next 5-7 Days! on: January 16, 2020, 04:12:13 AM
the current bitcoin price of $ 8,800 proves that your prediction is wrong and now it's been more than 7 days than your estimated bitcoin has not reached the price of $ 10k. maybe bitcoin will reach $ 10k at the beginning of february this year. I suggest don't like to bet about the price of bitcoin because it's very difficult to predict. bitcoin has high volatility.
a matter of time we really can't predict precisely, but it's true that prices will reach 10k maybe before next month it should be able to reach 10k, 1 or 2 weeks. because yesterday the price almost touched 9k.
don't push too much, if you already have a profit then sell, or maybe if you want to take the risk to hold it up for $ 10,000 then wait, of course it's risky
Why not? I get a cheap price of course I will hold it up to more than 10k, because I believe this year is the time to be bullish, as well as halving this year.
the risk is always there but don't worry when we invest in bitcoin, because it will always move up.
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