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4201  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why is the value dropping? on: November 04, 2014, 08:49:21 PM
^Just a minor correction:  A "centrally controlled elastic reward" would make Bitcoin irrelevant.  The cool/interesting thing about Bitcoin is it doesn't rely on central authority.  With centrally-controlled elastic reward, that's gone.
Just a clumsier version of fiat.
4202  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 04, 2014, 08:36:03 PM
why is the poll still about the prices on halloween?

Or is it about the next year's haloween?

Because Bitcoin drove Adam to drink Sad
4203  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why is the value dropping? on: November 04, 2014, 08:31:22 PM
You seem to be overlooking the important bit:

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Which brings me to my original point:  In fiat economy, it's possible to adjust to predicaments like this, in Bitcoin it is not.  

In other words, if I agreed with you that block reward is too high, we could do something about it, like make it smaller.  As it stands, there's nothing we can do, short of scrapping Bitcoin and starting from scratch.  Making all this just empty rhetoric.
See?

TL;DR:  There's nothing you can do about Satoshi's mistake now.  That's the fatal flaw of predetermined inflation.
4204  Economy / Speculation / Re: Winklevoss COIN -- Will it even matter? And how much? on: November 04, 2014, 08:26:12 PM
It's not an assumption, it's knowledge and experience.  If you think that People like H. Ford and G. Westinghouse were driven by the same greed that drives you, you're simply wrong Undecided

A bit elitist there lambchop.

Oh and for the record you have no idea of my motivations Smiley

Not at all, unless you feel that knowing wealthy people makes me elitist.
I need know nothing beyond your claim that the "the rich are [not] any different from the poor" for my assertion to hold Smiley
4205  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why is the value dropping? on: November 04, 2014, 08:16:12 PM
.@smalltimer:  Could you explain why large block rewards encourage centralisation, while smaller ones discourage it?  Buying mining gear in quantity will still be cheaper, building megafarms in cold climates with low industrial energy costs will still be cheaper.
What am I missing?

sure, large rewards give miners in general more power over the market and the big ones of course dump harder enforcing competition making monopoly-porcess even faster.
Right now large miners dumping making it even harder for small ones to exist.

Large rewards are equally large for both hobby and commercial miners.  If small rewards are sufficient to make small farms profitable, surely they're sufficient to make big ones profitable also.  Hashrate eventually increases to the point of making small mines unprofitable, while large ones continue operating.
Just what we see happening now.

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IF miners would not be such a force/impact on the market they would only compete on the level you pointed out and not directly in the markets.

This in no way affects centralization.

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On top of that: bitcoin would be less volatile, would hold value better and would attract therefore more investors.

Either the notion of "we need all the hashpower to make network secure" is junk, or Bitcoin will also be more vulnerable to attack [potentially making it less attractive to investors].

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PLUS: if halvings were faster, inflation lower and valuation better miners would be holding the coins they mine because appreciation in price would be anticipated.
So really the high inflation in bitcoin is a deadly mistake

Again:  Lower rewards = lower network security, higher rewards = higher network security.  This is the basic premise on which Bitcoin network was built.  In hindsight, it's easy to say that miners should not be rewarded as much as they are, but, at the outset, it wasn't.  Which brings me to my original point:  In fiat economy, it's possible to adjust to predicaments like this, in Bitcoin it is not.  

In other words, if I agreed with you that block reward is too high, we could do something about it, like make it smaller.  As it stands, there's nothing we can do, short of scrapping Bitcoin and starting from scratch.  Making all this just empty rhetoric.
See?
4206  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why is the value dropping? on: November 04, 2014, 07:21:05 PM
.@smalltimer:  Could you explain why large block rewards encourage centralisation, while smaller ones discourage it?  Buying mining gear in quantity will still be cheaper, building megafarms in cold climates with low industrial energy costs will still be cheaper.
What am I missing?
4207  Economy / Speculation / Re: Winklevoss COIN -- Will it even matter? And how much? on: November 04, 2014, 07:01:32 PM
Itīs sure worth to take all the effort(more than 18 months now?) to get an ETF approved just to sell 120k coins......
Because the bitcoin markets are so illiquid that it is impossible to sell that unimaginable amount of coins....

Real pity attempt to spread low quality FUD guys!

They could have sold those coins splitted in the last months for higher prices even if they would have only used BTC-E!


Tangent:  So many here assume the rich are just like the poor, only with more money.  That the rich are just as concerned about increasing their wealth as the poor.
That's as goofy as a beggar assuming that a king's main motivation is amassing as much food as he can.

'The point is ladies and gentlemen that greed, for lack of a better word, is good.' Gordon Gekko.

"I have ways of making money you know nothing of."--J.D. Rockefeller
Because one irrelevant quote deserves another.

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It is more strange to assume the rich are any different from the poor.

It's not an assumption, it's knowledge and experience.  If you think that People like H. Ford and G. Westinghouse were driven by the same greed that drives you, you're simply wrong Undecided
4208  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 04, 2014, 06:48:04 PM
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I read that hearsay when it came out - released to do as much market damage as possible...

You and Bitcoin.  Just can't get an even break Sad

4209  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 04, 2014, 02:19:12 PM
Pierce through the damn thing with some volume


Here ya go!
4210  Economy / Securities / Re: AMHash1: Cost-Effective Mining Contract on: November 04, 2014, 02:09:08 PM
This is 100% guaranteed to be the first ever profitable offering on Havelock.
Trust me.

  ~Happy Investing!
4211  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 04, 2014, 01:59:53 PM
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Seriously if you don't like something or think it's over go away.

This is a trader's sub, called "Speculation."  Bitcoin needs not succeed for us to make money.
If this sub was called "Delusional Bitcoin Fanbois," you'd have a point tho Undecided

if there is no bitcoin how will you make money out of bitcoin Huh  idiot Huh

All good things, even ponzis, come to an end.  The trick is to profit from them while they're still around.
Noob.
4212  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 04, 2014, 01:58:20 PM
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ok... bear cover your arse bahahahahahaa
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Wait for it...

4213  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 04, 2014, 01:55:10 PM
Who do posters come on here who just want to spread negative views/vibes about BTC?

What's the point, if you believe it has no future **** off.

I find it's mostly Hero or Legendary Members too.

Seriously if you don't like something or think it's over go away.

This is a trader's sub, called "Speculation."  Bitcoin needs not succeed for us to make money.
If this sub was called "Delusional Bitcoin Fanbois," you'd have a point tho Undecided
4214  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 04, 2014, 01:50:41 PM
Gotta pump to dump.
4215  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 04, 2014, 01:25:31 PM
The New World Order Currency

4216  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 04, 2014, 01:22:36 PM
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Do you actually make all of these... ? I mean, I'm pretty sure you at least have to work with layers to make the Bitcoin emblem to be below the spears...
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~5 mins in Photoshop Undecided

wow... you have so many talent and imagination, the world is yours if you were trying and if you were not a paid troll you would be famous too  (too bad you were a troll)

Deprogramming cult victims is sufficiently satisfying.
Fame?  Pathetic human, We choose to work incognito.



  ~Your Beneficent Reptilian Overlords.
4217  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 04, 2014, 12:44:14 PM
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Do you actually make all of these... ? I mean, I'm pretty sure you at least have to work with layers to make the Bitcoin emblem to be below the spears...
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~5 mins in Photoshop Undecided
4218  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 04, 2014, 11:49:10 AM
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you never be late for bitcoin...
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Lurk moar.
Most people are getting OUT of Bitcoin. 
But if you don't mind losing money, I suppose ur right Undecided

4219  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 04, 2014, 11:39:19 AM
For all the new trolls 6 years late to the Game of Bitcoins: How does it feel to have missed out on the <$3 price?

About the same as all the bulltards who missed <$3 is my guess.  It's a bit late for everyone to be getting excited about Bitcoin Undecided
4220  Economy / Speculation / Re: Winklevoss COIN -- Will it even matter? And how much? on: November 04, 2014, 11:10:09 AM
Itīs sure worth to take all the effort(more than 18 months now?) to get an ETF approved just to sell 120k coins......
Because the bitcoin markets are so illiquid that it is impossible to sell that unimaginable amount of coins....

Real pity attempt to spread low quality FUD guys!

They could have sold those coins splitted in the last months for higher prices even if they would have only used BTC-E!


Tangent:  So many here assume the rich are just like the poor, only with more money.  That the rich are just as concerned about increasing their wealth as the poor.
That's as goofy as a beggar assuming that a king's main motivation is amassing as much food as he can.
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