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4201  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Distribution solution: My first and last post, sick of the floundering around on: May 31, 2011, 08:23:56 PM
Sounds pretty simple to me?  8MB Rare DataTraveler Datastick with 100BTC = $89.   Sounds pretty simple to me?  All backed up by ebays insurance policy.

Problem with this is that there's nothing stopping you from keeping a copy of the wallet and spending them as soon as you shipped off the flashdrive.  On ebay, you're only allowed to sell physical products, and they won't cover the value of the bitcoins with their insurance, only the arrival of the actual product itself (the datastick).

Publish the wallet public address on the add. Potential buyers can verify the BTC are still there. Or bitbills, yeah...

This doesn't stop it from getting spent from a) a different address, b) as soon as it's shipped off.  Person verifies it's still in wallet.  They purchase the data stick.  I ship it off at 3 days shipping.  On day 2, i spend the coins from my copy of the wallet, through an alternate address.  Stick arrives and is in perfect condition, but the bitcoins are gone from the wallet.  Ebay won't cover this, as you payed $890 for the physical device, a flash drive, and they make no guarantees about the data on it.

This is more of a f2f practice, but given a certain level of trust put in the vendor (let's say 100% 1000+ positive reviews, since we're speaking of ebay) this kind of trade can become enough. It is true that there is a minimum level of trust to put in the emitter for any manner of private key/wallet trading.
4202  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: why do people use pools with fees when the cost to switch is nil? on: May 31, 2011, 08:08:35 PM
I think hurr durr is a proper answer.
4203  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin distribution on: May 31, 2011, 08:07:50 PM
Long story short: Bitcoin finally got some power after a little over a year, bunch of jealous newcomers start crying about not having enough BTC
simple solution: less QQ more pewpew. Start your own chain.

On the asymptotic "minting": It is modeled after the idea that transaction volume is proportional to network size and the expectation of exponential adoption. The logarithmic coinbase reward promotes strong security early one, which will allow the network to bootstrap into exponential growth, increasing transactions that will eventually take over coinbased reward.

tl,dr: it allows early strong security on a model that is based on network size.
4204  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Distribution solution: My first and last post, sick of the floundering around on: May 31, 2011, 07:53:08 PM
Sounds pretty simple to me?  8MB Rare DataTraveler Datastick with 100BTC = $89.   Sounds pretty simple to me?  All backed up by ebays insurance policy.

Problem with this is that there's nothing stopping you from keeping a copy of the wallet and spending them as soon as you shipped off the flashdrive.  On ebay, you're only allowed to sell physical products, and they won't cover the value of the bitcoins with their insurance, only the arrival of the actual product itself (the datastick).

Publish the wallet public address on the add. Potential buyers can verify the BTC are still there. Or bitbills, yeah...
4205  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 4chan takes a chance on you on: May 31, 2011, 12:03:54 AM
I forget or never saw the exact details:
What is the Bitcoin protection against transaction spam attacks?

Supposedly the transaction fee. Although from my understanding, when the client was patched to handle 8 digits after the decimal, sending anything below 0.01 BTC would enforce a fee of 0.01 BTC.

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So instead of "oooh... that's really scary, we're being threatened", our relationship with Anonymous (or some lone nerd) isn't one of adversary, so much as an experimental partner.

4chan != Anonymous

There was a long time ago when they used to lurk /b/, but today's 4chan user base has very little to do with Anonymous.
4206  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 4chan takes a chance on you on: May 30, 2011, 11:54:11 PM
Looking forward to it.
4207  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A proposal to new bitcoin system development on: May 30, 2011, 09:59:34 PM
bwahahahaha

Come, come, gimme more noobs that think mining is cosmetic and deflation is evil. Feed the evil goat, feeeeeed me!

You're going to be one fat pig, there seems to be an endless supply of them. =(  (Also, don't I remember you around here from last july/august?  I haven't been around at all, just got back into the community)

Join in late March. Fat is good =P.
4208  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Questions about inflation enforcement on: May 30, 2011, 09:58:00 PM
If I'm not mistaken, a block with an invalid amount on coinbase transaction will be rejected by the network. IIRC, nodes use the address advertised in the coinbase transaction, but write in the amount of BTC reclaimed based on the network agreed upon standard. This is how you can't reclaim more than 50BTC per solved block right now. At block 210,000 only clients modified to still reward 50BTC per block would accept such blocks, which, if some miners intent to do, will fork the chain.
4209  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A proposal to new bitcoin system development on: May 30, 2011, 09:48:10 PM
bwahahahaha

Come, come, gimme more noobs that think mining is cosmetic and deflation is evil. Feed the evil goat, feeeeeed me!
4210  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: MtGox owners are cheap b* (looks like this is going to improve soon - see below on: May 30, 2011, 04:27:57 PM
2 kind of information that spread on this forum like a wildfire: bubbles and "Japanese ladies"
4211  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Estimated Time Until Earning a Bitcoin on: May 30, 2011, 01:48:44 AM
there's no progress for mining. it's a huge lottery. no one will pay for your losing lottery tickets, and no one will pay you for your failed hashes.

Are we ever gonna have a short FAQ about this shit, or do newcomers just never read those?
4212  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is a PoS on: May 30, 2011, 01:45:23 AM
I am a person of higher-than-average intelligence and I am an IT professional.

No, you're not. Trust me, if you have to say it, you're not.

+1
4213  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Why do you want to change Bitcoin? on: May 30, 2011, 01:43:10 AM
Have you ever looked at the Internet Protocol (IP) and said "Hmmm, this thing need to be fixed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6  Wink

but m8, the noobs we are talking about do not suggest to make minimal bitcoin with 10 zeros after dot instead of 8 (I am working with you on the analogy here), they do suggest to have every hop in IP route to add 1kb of garbage to every packet.


Actually the effective comparison to image the difference between IPv6 and IPv4 would be someone asking to up the transaction ceiling on blocks (sensible suggestion) or increase block resolution per hour (short sighted suggestion). The average single digit post noob's suggestion is more about complaining that the TCP layer or SSL should be scrapped cause they waste bandwidth and serve no purpose or that web sites are bad cause the early website builders will be monopolizing global traffic and capitalize on it unfairly.
4214  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pools down & total computation speed up - what does this mean? on: May 30, 2011, 12:37:57 AM
If your goal is to make your own mining more profitable, then it would be much more efficient to DDOS the exchanges. Mining would tank if people couldn't make trades from and to other currencies.

This has the opposite effect. The miners won't stop mining, and when the echange gets back online, they'll flood the market with their days of unsold BTC, crashing the price. That's what happened when BTC hit over $4 and MtGox got DDoS'd. Trading was down for a week, and when Gox was finally stable, BTC was at $2.5
4215  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pools down & total computation speed up - what does this mean? on: May 30, 2011, 12:35:29 AM
Seriously there is a theoretical attack scenario where the large pools who form a majority of the network can be ddosed and then the attacker has less surviving mining power to overcome. Perhaps someone is trying that. 

How so? If you and I are mining and you stop, that doesn't improve my chances of finding a block. Not until your stopping lowers the difficulty. Until then, I am still attempting the same difficulty hashing and have the same probability of success per attempt.

If the network is producing a block every 10 minutes, I need to be able to inject my 2-3 corrupt blocks within that time frame, which means I need astronomical hashing power, like 90% of the network. If the pools are taken out and we are in the situation were one block is solved every 30 minutes for the next hour or so, like we just experienced, during that window, I need much much less hashing power to fork the chain.
4216  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is BitCoin 2.0 possible? on: May 30, 2011, 12:30:36 AM
You can copy the block chain at any point in time and start running it with modded clients on a different port. At this point you would have "mirrored" funds, both existing in the regular block chain, and the one you copied and are running separately. That technically wouldn't get in the way of your proposal, since it implies that the user base wants to move to Bitcoin "2.0".

Nevertheless the proposition seems odd. If Bitcoin ends up with a massive flaw and it isn't inherent to the block chain architecture, then it would naturally be patched over, without the need to jump onto another block chain. The block chain is simply a data structure protected with proof-of-work calculations. It doesn't hold any rule whatsoever in its data. If the block chain is somehow corrupted beyond retrieval or usability, you'd have to give it up altogether, and at this point starting over makes sense, but the data from the previous chain is lost to all.
4217  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin v2.0 on: May 28, 2011, 11:25:00 PM
BTC is what you will HAVE to use when it comes to use as this is going to be global currency (i think that's the point?).

No. This is why I'm telling people like you with either a pontificating disorder coupled with limited understanding of economics or control issues to start their own block chain and see for themselves to true nature of the blight they have given birth to. No one is forcing you to use Bitcoins. Bitcoins will only take over the entire international economy if its properties appeal to every member of the economy. Obviously it won't, look at yourself.

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1) the problem is that "my" bitcoin can't START and current bitcoin is unfair. That's why i say it would need to be in 2020 when everyone already heard about bitcoin and will be ready to exchange to "my" bitcoin in 2020 while still using $ in 2019 december, not an 1.0v of BTC. If v. 1.0 will get spread then it will be pyramided as i said so it won't be fixed any way possible.

Current Bitcoin isn't unfair, you're just reacting emotionally to it. But that's beyond the point. Now I see the full extent by which you are detached from reality. You are saying in a late future, when Bitcoin will be known to all, you shall start your superior coin and everyone will drop Bitcoin and join yours on day 1 because Bitcoin is flawed and your chimera fixes these flaws. How is that gonna work exactly? If Bitcoin is flawed, it will fail, and you won't have a community willing to join another version of it in throngs from day 1. The very idea that a concept should gain public approval on the sole premise that it is flawed and a fraud is disturbing. If anything, you should start your block chain this very moment. Every second you allow that fraudulent block chain to monopolize people's mind is a second more of work for you to redeem the name of Bitcoin so that v2.0 can take over. On the other hand, if v1.0 is a success, then obviously it isn't flawed, your changes are useless, and no one will join your 2.0. Actually, let's call it Bitcoin -2.0.

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Last adopters will always lose this way.

What are they losing? There are 3 types of currency models out there: inflationary, deflationary, stabilized (roflol pixie dust). Entry upon the market doesn't affect your outstanding wealth, so the only meaningful effect is the appreciation of your wealth over time. With an inflationary model, you stand at best to maintain your wealth, at worst to lose it all but a tiny fraction. With a stabilized model, you stand to drink the cool aid. With a deflationary model, you stand to maintain your wealth at worst, buy a space ship with spare change at best. So I'd like to see how you're losing anything.

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to be more fair to all.


I get it now, you're 12.

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And that 1% of money growth per year - to keep money in same state of work/amount without deflation.


With that level of inflation you're looking to double your monetary mass every 70 years or so...

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5) i don't like idea of any governments to be a part of it

Yet you want to change the currency to have governments adopt it. Do you want governments in or out of it? It's getting hard to follow you.

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just love the idea to be free of the taxes, and pay really for what i have and would like to pay.

You don't like taxes but you hate deflation and are in love with inflation? 'scuse me wha?

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The main thing i don't like is just the distribution and a lot of people will probably won't join thinking they are an 1mil person that will pay 100$ for one coin when other people sit on money being first.

The mother principle of private property is first come first served. Are you against private property too?
4218  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin v2.0 on: May 28, 2011, 09:42:59 PM
1) promotion here is good as i said. I said that  i wont start my network, but if it will need to happen then it will be yr. 2020 i.e. when everyone know WHAT bitcoin is and then set exact START date so noone will double transactions or so.

Now you got me lost. You're saying if Bitcoin works, then you'll start Bitcoin 2.0? I thought the point of Bitcoin 2.0 was to fix Bitcoin "1.0". If 1.0 needs to be fixed, naturally it can't work right? So how is it gonna make it to 2020 without your superior guidance? I say you should start your block chain right now. And I changed my mind, let's call it HurrDurrCoin.

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2) @up + sorry but investing pizza for 10k btc's isn't an investment. It's way under price. Dunno why people sold their btc's even if there was not really a lot of adopters? It was sure this idea will survive as it's new and DIFFERENT than any other ideas like Klamm lose or other stuff that's centralized. I always put money in such things but it was just spam of centralized shit so it was not worth of that

You seem to be under the illusion that Bitcoins are actually worth $10,000 each and that the whole process of public adoption is but a mere formality waiting to happen. If that's the case, first you should quickly buy all those BTC for $8 or so, that's literally getting it for pennies on the dollar, twice over. Second, why would Bitcoin need to be "fixed" again?

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3) i dont understand completly what you said but if you mentioned not earning miners then - they will earn by fees spent in network, and also by 1% of money growth every year ( i am talking here for day in years 2100+ because currently system will work for that year or even earlier with decent payout for miners just for 'mining' blocks)

So you're saying you think the fee alone won't be able to sustain good enough security. Your solution is to systemically inflate the currency. What makes you think people will switch over a taxed block chain when they can simply let the market figure it out on the original chain?

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5)  sorry, even translating this in google don't help me to understand what you mean.

You say you like the idea of a free currency. But then you say you want to modify that currency so that governments start liking it too. This takes away the "free" part.
4219  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin in perspective on: May 28, 2011, 09:04:21 PM
Democracy is a bad example.

+1
4220  Economy / Economics / Re: Change the rules of Bitcoin money supply to fix the price stability issue! on: May 28, 2011, 08:59:34 PM
I am an economist so I don't know that much about the technical specs but if I understood it right "mining" helps maintain the system and lower transaction times? In this case maybe a 1% increase per year could be justified but no more.

There's already a block chain modeled around gold going on somewhere. Dunno if it's still alive or not. The reward for mining will slowly shift from "coin minting" to transaction fees.
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