Well you never know.... Consider half the energy costs, double the rigs xD? IDK probably are x11 ASICS... Do you think its possible to have a gpu mine each 1 algorithm of x11? Would that increase hash rate?
Yes, but you need quite sophisticated software to control it in parallel. And you would have to share the work for the rigs according to their share in the whole process to gain in timing. |
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Now you're bringing your own discussion into lala land, really.
"They" don't have X11 ASICs.
The point is, that for the moment, ANY possible method to avoid the planned concentration of power is welcome.
And so YES, X11 is one of them, and it's for REAL.
It's a convincing concept, as is Quark, Scrypt-N, Jane, whatever.
I'd favor it, because of the low power requirement and the way the existing hardware is utilized.
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The ASIC MOB is out in full force these days ...
Another point is, that many of the main coin core teams probably have huge orders for ASICs too.
They probably have been bribed and been promised a lot of money will be thrown at these coins.
Its so obvious, a blunt takeover attempt, same as with Bitcoin.
And what is with Litecoin?
It's obviously a SCAM. It was sold as ASIC resistent.
Now the same people come out and say we need more ASICs, to make it secure.
It smells.
Stick to telling us the selling points of x11 over the algos we already have... There is no interest in hearing your speculation regarding asic mafia here. I've noted some simple points for you to look over above. Stick to the facts or GTFO we don't need the thread cluttered with your fantasy theories. I have no asics ordered and have said before they look to be a waste of money, how much clearer can i be on asics. I don't have a scrypt asic, i don't have sha256 asic Asics are going to be a waste of money... or a big risk with regards ROI same as sha256 asics are, if you are not first to get delivery you are taking a big risk. Now we've established scrypt asics are not going to be worth it for most people.... let's get back to x11 and it's brand new advantages it does/does not bring over existing algos. So far i have seen nobody explain why x11 was needed when we already had scryptN, QRK, and scrypt jane. Start showing me why is it so amazing so i can start organising for the coins i am interest in to get swapped over to x11. Else i will just go scrypt N or scrypt Jane or stick with good old tested QRK. Then again it may be best to switch it to merge mined scrypt for security if that is the most important part. I stick to what ever I find necessary to mention, like you, on the 300 other threads your spraying your fud. Well here's the main advantages - up to 50% less power - for the moment totally ASIC proof, among other methods - standard software available - runs on standard hardware - state of the art coins available, bleeding edge software - very able and active developers It's 'you're' you illiterate fool, and you are not answering my questions you are just posting shit that means nothing. Either you are too dumb to address my questions or avoiding them on purpose. -up to 50% less power is NOT essentially important you blithering fool for the reasons already posted 100x ie the miner is possibly not pushing the card to the limits - besides QRK is just as efficient if you are going on temps and power draw. - asic proof - WRONG - same as the other algos i mentioned already - scryptn , qrk, scrypt jane - same as the other algos i mentioned already " " " " - WRONG - that has nothing to do with x11 itself moron. So thanks you have described perfectly there is no need for x11 and it offers nothing new. Yeah, and your sole purpose of starting this thread was to make propaganda against it. All your "answers" show it. Details avoided. Keep it tabloid, for the average dumbass. Let alone the point of developers. Has nothing to do with it, right. A coin should live off of its developers. What have the Litecoin developers done to develop anything new in the past years? It's normal behavior for development teams to build a wall around them and ignore outside developments. They take progress as a threat to their working system. It's a 100% sure road to failure, all the time. They either get fired, or the product fails. |
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And wheres the point at all?
Changing anything in a coins wallet shouldn't be a problem.
It's a problem of deployment.
There should be an in-app update popping up, asking
"There is a new version for your wallet, do you want to download and install it now?"
And thats about it.
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The ASIC MOB is out in full force these days ...
Another point is, that many of the main coin core teams probably have huge orders for ASICs too.
They probably have been bribed and been promised a lot of money will be thrown at these coins.
Its so obvious, a blunt takeover attempt, same as with Bitcoin.
And what is with Litecoin?
It's obviously a SCAM. It was sold as ASIC resistent.
Now the same people come out and say we need more ASICs, to make it secure.
It smells.
Stick to telling us the selling points of x11 over the algos we already have... There is no interest in hearing your speculation regarding asic mafia here. I've noted some simple points for you to look over above. Stick to the facts or GTFO we don't need the thread cluttered with your fantasy theories. I have no asics ordered and have said before they look to be a waste of money, how much clearer can i be on asics. I don't have a scrypt asic, i don't have sha256 asic Asics are going to be a waste of money... or a big risk with regards ROI same as sha256 asics are, if you are not first to get delivery you are taking a big risk. Now we've established scrypt asics are not going to be worth it for most people.... let's get back to x11 and it's brand new advantages it does/does not bring over existing algos. So far i have seen nobody explain why x11 was needed when we already had scryptN, QRK, and scrypt jane. Start showing me why is it so amazing so i can start organising for the coins i am interest in to get swapped over to x11. Else i will just go scrypt N or scrypt Jane or stick with good old tested QRK. Then again it may be best to switch it to merge mined scrypt for security if that is the most important part. I stick to what ever I find necessary to mention, like you, on the 300 other threads your spraying your fud. Well here's the main advantages - up to 50% less power - for the moment totally ASIC proof, among other methods - standard software available - runs on standard hardware - state of the art coins available, bleeding edge software - very able and active developers |
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The ASIC MOB is out in full force these days ...
Another point is, that many of the main coin core teams probably have huge orders for ASICs too.
They probably have been bribed and been promised a lot of money will be thrown at these coins.
Its so obvious, a blunt takeover attempt, same as with Bitcoin.
And what is with Litecoin?
It's obviously a SCAM. It was sold as ASIC resistent.
Now the same people come out and say we need more ASICs, to make it secure.
It smells.
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Network security is the overall challenge. No matter what algo and what axiom.
It should be secure independent of the momentary bandwidth.
It's more important to develop methods regarding the control of the coin itself, than to try to solve the problem with bigger networks.
Thats putting the cart before the horse, in favor of the ASIC MOB.
Coins should be developed according to the latest state of the art software. Any coin of value should keep it up to date.
And if it includes changing the algo or whatever, why not? Wheres the problem?
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There is a rumor that there are primed mining x11 miner that seclusive people are mining away right now . yes
Thats a rumor spread by the ASIC MAFIA.
If you'd bother to have a look at what your GPU is doing with the ATI utility, you'd see that its running at 100% with X11. The fact that it doesn't get so warm is due to the lower memory footprint and the overall lower cache utilization. It's possible to have 100% GPU load and 1000kh in one instance, and 100% GPU load and 2000kh in another, more optimized one. The difference is that the code will be executed in less GPU cycles not that the GPU will be less loaded with work. For example the first incarnation of the darkcoin miner gave me ~600-700kh. The second (sph-sgminer 4.1) gave me 900+. It was always 100% load, it's just that the optimized version did it better with the available GPU cycles. I'd say thats about it then. Maybe another 10%. The instruction set for GPUs and the according libraries don't leave a lot of choices for optimization. There is no wonder software running 10 times the pace. |
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DOGEs slow death began after the first halving.
It's an idiotic assumption that the price rises if supply narrows.
There is no real demand for DOGE, no natural market at all.
It's a very cheap marketing Ponzi perpetrated by the usual mob.
My prediction for after the coming Nascar stunt:
A short hefty rise and then it'll tank another 50% in less than 24 hours, these people will be dumping like crazy.
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They eventually will. It's not only very interesting for miners, an extended/custom instruction set on the GPUs would also be very interesting for scientific calculations in general.
Imagine a 3000 core GPU running custom instructions as efficiently as an ASIC.
I'd love to see that happening, the ASIC mob would run amok.
And these cards would be available after announcement.
You wouldn't have to prepay some shady shotgun shack company, without knowing if you ever receive your ASICs at all.
That would actually be the best solution to get rid of the ASIC MOB.
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There is a rumor that there are primed mining x11 miner that seclusive people are mining away right now . yes
Thats a rumor spread by the ASIC MAFIA.
If you'd bother to have a look at what your GPU is doing with the ATI utility, you'd see that its running at 100% with X11. The fact that it doesn't get so warm is due to the lower memory footprint and the overall lower cache utilization. |
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Aah, Nr. 2 is on board now.
It's a trio. Extended version of the good cop/bad cop duo.
Here we have a good cop/bad cop/senior crook trio.
Dangerous people, probably.
And now comes the "Merged Mining" side story.
Let me use some of your favorite phrases here:
BULLSHIT!
SCAM!
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I agree with you  coblee makes a right choice. They will simply do it without him then. That was an expected response by the ASIC MOB. |
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After all the obvious propaganda against it by some well known members,
I'm sure, YES IT WILL!
And the plan to hardfork Litecoin and DOGE to X11 is just great.
I can't wait to see some action.
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Sure dude, everything is flawed. Or a scam, or at least not secure. You forgot to mention that here, like on all the 100 other threads your spreading your FUD. You three are on every thread. Whats your agenda?  From left to right: Agents El Dude, MarkM, and BCX |
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Good one! Quite nice new interface altogether, boots very fast. I was just checking it out with the latest sph-sgminer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=475795.0There were issues with 290 cards mining X11, falling back to a lower hash rate after some time. We solved it there (pg. 38) |
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Yeah, its due to DPMS (Display Power Management Signaling) You can also apply the settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf In Section "ServerLayout" add
Option "StandbyTime" "0"
Option "SuspendTime" "0"
Option "BlankTime" "0"
In "SectionMonitor" change It ran smooth the whole night, no crashes, very steady. As far as I can see the PIMP distro from Bee doesn't have the "donation mining" pool switcher included. Quite nice new interface altogether, boots very fast. Don't know who'll get the bounty for this, as I had the idea it was the screensaver pulling it down. In case: DRK XsRa7BwaWHTSacRyE27Npxm56CuLGTZvwb |
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I run the pimp distro since a couple of hours.
Also on AsRock H81 BTC and nothing changed, still dropping.
Did you try the xorg.conf that I posted the message before yours to see if it helps with the rate dropping? I do since 15 minutes and so far no drop! Is there a screensaver starting on X? |
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I run the pimp distro since a couple of hours.
Also on AsRock H81 BTC and nothing changed, still dropping.
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