I don't really see how a chip that can calculate SHA-256 hashes would be able to have a flaw like this. AIUI, the ASIC doesn't know about difficulty, it just hashes difficulty 1 shares. ASICs don't actually assemble the block, the pool does that work. The mining software just grabs whatever hashes it finds that are above the share difficulty from the ASIC and submits them to the pool..
Someone with a better understanding of this might be able to correct me but AFAIK, it would have to either work or not work.
In the case of the April-May block withholding, the error, as I was told, was due to the software not the hardware. The software was checking the difficulty of results the hardware returned, and was having an error when the representation of the difficulty was > uint32 for the share, causing it to be discarded even though it was still a valid result. At the *hardware* level, I'm doubtful this is possible without being explicitly designed to do so. ASICs are very dumb, as you pointed out. They should only care about diff >= 1, and report the result back to the software for further checking and submission. So you are giving the best reason yet for a major pool to run a solo fork for miners. A large 2000th mining op burns massive power to do 2000th , but if software can never make a block happen as you say your were told that was the case in april + may. BTW I mined 1th at that pool from APRIL 20th until today so I had bad luck for 40 plus days. Your pools could be sued by miners that were affected. I could argue in a courtroom your pool failed to safeguard it's hash rate from 'bad software'. If you had offered miners the easy option to use a solo-fork our problem would be of our own choice to not use your solo fork. Without that offer every major pool could have this happen: Someone trashes the luck with shit software for a month or two causing 80 percent luck vs 96-102 percent luck. The cat is out of the bag that 'bad' software 'bad' chip 'bad' pcb board 'bad' gear and does not matter what the reason it only matters that a false hashrate can be done to a pool… This is true. So all pool operators need to protect miners and themselves from false hashrate happening. (FACT not BS) A solo fork option is one method of protection . So once again I ask for the bigger pools to offer it. This issue is not going to leave BTC. I am giving a method of protection that would work against a high hash rate rig that never makes a block. Okay how about the big guy cex.io he decides to give any large pool shit luck shoots 300th of shit gear at the pool for a month and the pool has terrible luck. why not cex.io could do this to bit minter in a heartbeat…… make 50 miners up with 1 to 10 th each . they never hit a block we abandon bitminter and go to cex.io .. Fact of the matter this is doable ,but if bitminter had a solo fork sending a stack of shit miners against that does nothing. Zip only person hurt is the guy sending the bad gear. Tell me I am not correct if I am not. Fact is I am correct. |
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Hey guys! I bought 20 shares in this pool last November - but due to the spectacularly missed delivery date, it looks like the difficulty level has now ratcheted up so far that if BA ever does get their shit together, these machines won't even be worth plugging in.
Just looking for honest info here.
Is this a scam I lost $2.2k to and should begin pursuing as such, or are refunds being honored?
Cheerio,
-Aubrey
Not sure if I would call it a scam,but I would say you may never collect on the 2.2k. I am in for 5 shares 4 at 130, 1 at 110 or 630 usd. My guess is it is a loss. For most people a loss = a scam. I have done enough investing to know a loss = a loss. A scam involves intent I am not so sure of the intentions of this from the beginning to the current point in time. Still it is a -630 for me as of today. |
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MY 3 are doing 420 gh pulling 560 watts at the plug.
so that is 1.33 watts a hash at the wall…… stable being doing it for about 1 month.
1)low errors
2)low noise
3)low heat
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its not about shipping cost or anything u mentioned above... lets calculate the real cost here... 1 x RK-Box 450G = 1BTC (latest price)
assume we buy 3 RK-box (3BTC + 0.6BTC shipping)
now we need 3 RPI assume it 0.23BTC
and the last thing, we need 3 PSU assume it 0.47BTC
total : 4.3BTC
now we got 1.35 TH/s cost us around 4.3BTC
so, for this spec. 1BTC can get us 313GH/s (1350/4.3)
now we calculate the Antminer S2
1 x S2 1TH/s = 3.194 BTC (coupon)
for this S2, we dont need other accessories to run it
its all included
so, for this spec. 1BTC can get us 310GH/s (1000/3.225)
Conclusion : RK-box - for mid player in mining, if ur wallet is not big enuf S2 - only for big wallet your math is not correct. for lots of us. A) rasp pi don't need it why I have a pc that has my mining covered cost = 0 B) psu's hmm at least 5 off line psu's maybe 6 some are 1300 watt golds and some are 1000 watt plat's cost = 0 c) 3 rk-boxes = 3 btc or just under 1800 usd hash at 1350 gh so spend 1800 usd and get 1350 hash vs spend 2200 and get 1th many miners are mulling exactly the above and not your figures. GRANTED SOME MAY BE DOING YOUR IDEA of the costbut i know many are doing what I just printed. I also like that an entire rk box dies I still have 900th of hash. my s-2 dies I have 0 hash. I may buy 1 rk box per week and spread my cost out slowing increasing the hash . depends on how they run. THEY MUST RUN AS GOOD AS AN S-1 I figure S-1's are better then 95% good closer to 97-98% . if the rk-box is that reliable it will sell like mad. |
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Still in processing. I will check it on sunday morning .
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Will pay in BTC.
Hero members only. I will send first.
Well I don't mind selling an amazon card and I am a hero member, but why do you think I would give you an 18% discount. It is not easy to get one that cheaply. 15-20% discount is the going rate around here, it seems. I did not realize they could be had at 15% off. I would not sell at that price. I can't buy them for better then 5% off. But since you say they can be -15% I will most likely buy mine on this site from now on. |
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guys it can very well be that a common miner such as the s-1 could have a flawed batch. in theory 16ph of the entire network consists of s-1's. 1 chip run may have been for shit.
Or someone ran a batch of chips behind the back of any major chip/gear builder knocked off a ton of gear . Lets say the dragon miners had a 'sneak batch built'
Anyone that has worked in a small factory knows what I am talking about. Do A run of product behind the owners back. So I am in China I knocked off a ton of bootleg dragon miners... I set them up to solo mine lets say back in feb. they work .. I feel good as I have a great score. then they stop working lets say at the 2.4 level mentioned. I now have good money and 1000 dragon miners that don make blocks... Since I am a clever weasel I decide to mine my gear at BTCguild or cex.io guild leaching off the backs of the good gear miners most likely this has happen and is true.
Just not exactly the way I just said. But I theorize there is a lot of dud miners that can't make a block.
Now hear this the best way to combat this is for all major pools to offer a solo fork. why because the scumbag weasel dude with his 1-2ph of shit gear can never make a block solo mining ........ he has to mine on shared pools to earn money.
So once again I ask all large pools known to pay off and not steal the blocks to do this offer a solo fork to all of us..
In fact force it on us for a week every 10th week at least for that one week out of ten the weasel won't steal from us.
Sounds radical but it only mathematically hurts a guy with 'dead for blocks- live for hash gear' If the dark miner or the 2ph of 'bad' gear is out there this method kills it while it is used.
Obviously pool ops have the truth about how hard it is to do my suggestion but one thing is for sure a rouge miner with shit gear gets fully burned since he has no one to leach from while this happens.
Anyone that has an understanding of game theory should see my suggestion works. So I ask all big ops why don't you do this or a variation of this.
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Will pay in BTC.
Hero members only. I will send first.
Well I don't mind selling an amazon card and I am a hero member, but why do you think I would give you an 18% discount. It is not easy to get one that cheaply. |
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These laws do not apply if you are not running a btc business, but i am so I have to report any 600 usd of btc transfer.
Finally, I got it, before that number of $600 that you cite was a complete mystery. I know that any business that pays a person more than $600 in one tax year has to give out form 1099, but that's all. I was not sure that purchasing something qualifies as well. Such purchase does qualify as expense on a yearly tax report, but that's trivial. I am not sure what exactly you gain by NOT having your RK-box booked as an expense which could be used to offset the revenue, but i am not a tax expert. I do not have to fully explain the history of the btc transferred if it is under 600usd. I can say purchased a rx-box for 580usd. if the price was 580 usd the day i purchase it. now if I buy a 3000 usd sp10 all in coin I need to completely explain the full history of the 5.2 btc I paid with. Or I am not compliant with current law. So Lets say I purchased 3000 usd worth of coin from coin base wait 7 days for it to transfer I have to list price paid. I have to list price it was worth when transferred which is not to complicated if I bought from coinbase and moved it 8 days later….. But if the coins came from 6 sales here of .1 or .2 btc and from 3 miners and from coinbase it is a lot more complicated. So until irs gets it shit together I no longer do coin movements or transferers over 600 usd. I will use paypal which is how I purchased my 1th dragon miner…… I will use cc's which is how i purchased 5 gridseed blades. at about 650 usd each. I have a lot of back history with fed tax law so I really try to cross the t's and dot the i's |
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cablez I will post a trust your yellow wrapped cables in action edit posted a trust for them.please see this shot of them with new custom cables here is one of the two pcie cables note yellow shrink wrap to stop confusion with these and my gridseed cables  your older gridseed black wrapped here is a shot of the same type for gridseed. note the black shrink wrap  |
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Shipping, in stock.
Little OT, but having bought from you several times in the past, do you intend to stock the RK-Box? First off a good psu with good cables + very stable gear. Second off yeah like you i am thinking i want a rk-box. Third off canary did one thing for me is I went out and purchased 1.2btc at around 570usd. due to his post above. so I am ready to pull the trigger on something. I do have 6 of the r-box already see this shot of them with new custom cables here is one of the two pcie cables note yellow shrink wrap to stop confusion with these and my gridseed cables here is a shot of the same type for gridseed. note the black shrink wrap all cables are from cablez on this site. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=54059https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74397.340 |
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I got my cables from cablez. They work nicely cablez made up 2 sets for me. They fit well and he shrink wrapped them in yellow to allow for easy difference with his grid seed cables. These are 16 gauge and 3 per pcie cable. so if you run only 3 r-boxes they are a good choice. My break out board comes on monday. I will post the cables in a few. the break out board next week. here is one of the two pcie cables note yellow shrink wrap to stop confusion with these and my gridseed cables here is a shot of the same type for gridseed. note the black shrink wrap |
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road stress has the best gear available in the world the sp10 and eventually the sp30 will be better gear. But simple math shows buying the rk-box is a better purchase . I can earn from June 30th to Sept 30th ... The sp30 is delayed too long.
Also if you are in the USA and buy a rx-box at .9btc you are not subject to US federal reporting laws.
A transfer of .9btc x 600 usd = 540 USD UNDER THE CURRENT 600 TRANSFER LAW. So I am looking to buy these and not worry about extra tax reporting.
I would have purchase an in hand sp10 but was offered a deal in btc only not paypal. I was offered to buy an sp30 and that was also btc purchase.
I trusted the seller but with reporting laws I did not buy the gear. My last over 600 usd purchase was a grid seed blade I did this purchase via paypal.
I did a purchase of 2800 for a 1th dragon miner and that was paypal.
What make these rx box items interest me is the sale price will work with btc reporting laws of the USA.
These laws do not apply if you are not running a btc business, but i am so I have to report any 600 usd of btc transfer.
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Thanks for posting the guides, I need to brush up on my German.
All orders placed before 10 AM CST will be shipped today.
Any info on the rx box other then june 25th as an arrival /shipping date? |
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Assume a few things.
It is 6 amps . It was made to spec.
The r-box pulls 38 to 46 watts.
So
a 5 amp x 12 volt = 60 watts.
A 6 amp x 12 volt = 72 watts.
To run gear 24/7/365 your safety factor should be 75 to 80 %.
75% of 60 watts = 45 watts
75% of 72 watts = 54 watts.
Since I may be pulling 46 watts non stop. A 5 amp brick is borderline A 6 amp brick is not borderline (Assume they are correctly made)
If I used bricks to run my r-box units I would want 6 or even 7 amp bricks just in case.
I run mine using an atx power supply they use about 40 watts each and run very stable so far.
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Doc, is it possible that multipool is cheating the pool? Koi has about the same hashrate and has solved several blocks over the last 3 days it so. Multipool has solved zero. Its odd.
This is something we need to be vigilant about. It was happening at BTCGuild where 2,000TH/s "did not know" they had a flaw and could not solve a block yet could provide "work" so they got their share of the pool. It is early yet, but I am certainly getting concerned which is why i posted. Multipool has had about 200TH/s at bit minter (they seem to ramp it down right after someone else solves a block for a while but then it goes back up. 200 / 84,000 (network) X 144 (blocks per day) = 0.35. Which means on average 200TH/s right now should solve a block every 3 days. They have been here how long? I think only five days but someone can correct me. At this point, it could be bad luck. But if it goes 15-24 days, I think we should vote them off the island and doc should withhold their "share". What happened at BTCGuild, is that the person "that did not know they had a flaw in their miners" received their share of the blocks BTC guild solved so everyone was shortchanged by about 20%. You can argue this a lot of ways but that is how I look at it. I still believe (and people have told me I am insane/stupid/crazy/"just do not understand") that there are flawed miners out there that are free riding on the network pools because they know they can never solo mine and solve a block. You really think someone that had the money to build the facilities to put in 2,000TH/s of miners (facilities would cost around $2-4M) AND pay for all those miners (another $1.5-3M) DID NOT PAY $5,000 for someone to write them solo mining software? Sure. That is believable. So, that would mean after solo mining and not finding a block for a few weeks, they KNEW the miners had a problem but they were "hashing", just not solving blocks. What do you do when you have $4M on the line and cannot solve a block but you show bashing power? Go to a pool and get paid for hashes from the blocks that other do solve. It is too early to say this about multi pool but I am very suspicious and watching. If they do not hit a block soon, I think I will move. You do not understand what you are talking about. And at the same time you do understand what you are talking about. Wow that must be very hard on your mind. Here is what I agree with. Your theory is: multi pool's gear sucks and they jump all over the place with broken gear they are stuck with You may be correct, they could have had terrible gear built solo mined for a while realized the gear sucks and they are stuck with it. So why not create multi pool jump all over the place hurting a pools luck and leach off those of use with good miners. They should mine a block every 3 days it is now 5 days. that is nothing. I have seen pools that need 3 hours a block go for 25 hours . So if multi pool does this goes 24 or 25 days you may be correct. You even said that in your thereoy . So actually you are not wrong so far. and you have pretty good understanding. up to all of the above. You then say 2 more days and you leave 2+5 = 7 days not 24 So all your understanding above gets fully lost by wanting to wait for 2 days. Also why did you warn multi pool that you are on to them? If they are truly villainous mining with terrible gear leaching off all the network you let them know you are on to them. Why didn't you wait for 20 days or 30 days to say something. If they are the bad guys you say they are they will now jump more and hide better. This is what I mean when I say you do both you understand and you don't understand. Must be painful at times. I used to have that problem .. I found it to be very painful. |
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low inventory. less than 10 units on hand at the moment until new inventory arrives (soon)
do you have any? I have .4 btc I just purchased. I can send you .4btc thanks phil |
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expedia is a nice company. the acceptance of btc by them is good for us. Although right now coins are drifting down a bit. I could see a solid up spike this fall. much more likely then a drop. I may buy a few coins today.
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I see the Rbox price as quoted in dollars. Without going through the process of trying to buy one on the website, what are actual payment methods? Something that converts to Bitcoin, or actual dollar transactions. It might be good to elaborate on payment methods and shipping cost, prior to actually getting too far into the order process.
I paid for my miners on the asicpuppy site using paypal. I do know what you mean you do not want to join the website with an email to check everything out. I suggest creating an email for all your asic buys. I wish I had done that 2 years ago. My paperwork for keeping records is a mess. |
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the breakout board has an on off switch. it will allow for an easy power testing of the 6 r-boxes
crazy will you be getting x box or rx box ?
Yes, I also put in an order for the RKBOX. I will release pricing and allow orders once the shipping date is solid. sounds good I can add on 480-500 watts and not be too hot for the summer. |
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