When the military can mis-place 2 TRillion dollars it is fairly plausible that the goobmint can make just about anyone whole when needed if there exists the will to do so.  More than whole if that what it takes to make people clam up.

One would expect the insurers who suddenly owed Silverstein (who is definitely not an 'evil Jew') multiple billions of dollars to have a bit of a glitch in their market cap.  Someone who is good at and who enjoys research might want to look into that.  I've not run across anything one way or another.  Just something I thought up just now.

Free-fall release of potential energy results in a well know acceleration.  Any tapping of this energy (e.g., ripping apart steel structual members or pulverizing steel reinforced concrete mid-air) would necessarily arrest this free-fall acceleration to some degree.

My intuitive sense is that given the structural design of this particular building the collapse would be fully arrested with a fair part of the building standing, some of which would have shed the floor pans and outer framework which would be more likely to sluff off with at most a tiny few forcefull ejections of smallish bare members.)

The above if several stories above and below the impact site simply vanished.  In an increasingly plastic collapse such as that which the 'fires did it' people try to argue, the top would simply fall off due to the asymmetries.  Probably again partially stripping some of the floor pans on one side.  We would also see deflection of the tower building due to the polar moment of the clearly tipping upper section.  This would either be to great for the structure to sustain in which case it would topple laterally, or it would not and we would see the lower level standing.

Somewhere along the line I ran across some pretty good footage detailing the various 'upward' trajectories.  Cannot see it now, but in less focused footage plenty of interesting trajectories, accelerations, and mid-air pulverizations are noticed:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhyu-fZ2nRA

Of course there are a lot of interesting stills as well:



Anyway, for the sake of argument, let's say that there were zero incidents of debris moving past normal to the fall vector (e.g., upward of horizontal).  The energy input needed as impulse to create the lateral velocity noted are more interesting and significant than that needed to create an upward vector from a normal one.  Again, all of these energy sinks and others rob from that available to accelerate the structure on it's collapse path.


This has been quantified from a very early time in the independent analysis.  In looking around, I see a presentation which I'd not yet run across which is interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiHeCjZlkr8

This kind of illustrates the mental simulation of the behavior I intuited for such a collapse.  I think it is fair to say that my intuition on such things us above par having spent time taking down buildings as an occupation (albeit exclusively large wooden ones for salvage purposes) and having training level exposure to demolishing various kinds of structures using explosives.

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Just for fun, here's the kinds of techniques one can use to gauge quantitatively some energetic activities on sort of an order-of-magnitude scale:

1) How much energy is available in a reinforced concrete floor panel due to PE-gravity?  A) How much diesel does a crane use to lift it to it's place.

2) How much energy is necessary to pulverize said concrete floor panel?  A) How much diesel does a jack-hammer use in doing the job?

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On intuitive thoughts, let's consider the aluminum aircraft parts parsing the steel box columns.  What happens when we intersect 1/13" thick aluminum skin with the 1.5" thick steel box structures at:

 1) 1 m/s
 2) speed of sound
 3) in a ccomputer animation probably done by some failing grad student who wanted a degree and a goobmint job.

Note how Spendulus like to have it two ways.  First, the potential energy due gravity was responsible for the launching upwards and outwards of multi-ton steel members, the pulverization of steel reinforced concrete, etc, etc.  Second, he does not believe that the transfer of energy would arrest the acceleration of the collapse.  But, ya know...eight grade physics...

If true, this is not good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgL4F6qVgMA

One would anticipate some significant 3-D chess going on about now, but it is a stark reminder that we need to keep a close eye on Trump and be prepared for anything.

'Oscillation' describes my thoughts on this better than 'flip-flop'.  I get totally demoralized, then TPTB want to attack Syria and the people say 'fuck no' at a rate of 99-to-one and I get some hope back again.  Rinse and repeat.

I basically expect that Trump will have no use for Bitcoin.  It will interfere with his plans and control over certain things, and he doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who would put up with such things.  I have yet to see him put any focus on such ideas as individual liberty.  I don't like this and I hope I'm wrong.  I've a vested interest in seeing Bitcoin thrive, and would like to see it happen for socio-political reasons as well, but at the end of the day it's most important to me that America retains some of our basic historical properties which are very close to being dissolved.  My sense is that 'MAGA' will also end up working out better for the rest of the world, and I think that some foreigners are sensing that too.

The exception I can think of is when someone 'drowns' in very cold water.  Usually a child with low body mass.  I've heard what seem to be fairly credible reports of long-ish periods of 'death' in such circumstances with a reasonable recovery.  I think I heard of a stow-away in a jet aircraft who achieved a similar result.  I'd point out though that someone who would climb into the landing gear of a jet liner probably didn't start out with a very high level of brain function in the first place.

I'm going to adjust my doner card to stipulate that my cock is to be used only for vaginal intercourse with XX females above the age of consent.  I'd roll over in the grave if somebody was getting my cock all covered with shit.

Reminds me of words of wisdom from back in grade school:

"Girls go to Jupiter to get more stupider,
  Boys go to Mars to get more candy bars."

Of course that's how we XY kids would say it.  XX'ers would typically invert the assertion.

LOL.  Musta got the idea after a visit to the primate exhibit at the zoo.

I suggest a new theme for Hillary and the Establishment Dems:

  'If I could walk with the animals; talk with the animals...'

My current position is that even if one finds a government who could and would 'do right' for the people in a situation like this, there is no reason to believe that it would persist in this disposition and much history and logic to indicate it would not.  It's a tough pill for a former 'socialist' like moi.  I flip-flopped...but I understand how people could hold what I currently consider to be wrong-headed views.

That more or less matches my own dispositions in those timeframes.  I remember casting a vote for Obama but only because even back then I was very strongly #NeverHillary and knew nothing about Obama himself.  I probably did or would have cast a vote for Obama in the general because the alternative was Crazy Johnny (later known as 'Jihad Johnny'.)

I may have given up on the potential for single-payer to work by that time, but I did support it at one point because it provides the best leverage on a theoretical basis among other more broad benefits.  At the time I did not recognize that the health care system was being broken on purpose for nefarious reasons and by those who wanted universal care to further ratchet up their game.  By the time Obamacare rolled around I favored a public option specifically to help the right people have leverage in 'making the deals'.  States may not be the best allies of 'the people', but they don't print their own money so they have at least some reason to try to control costs.

I believe in 'higher taxes' for groups who have used their influence to insert loopholes into the tax codes and who leverage these loopholes.  Always have, and I believe that if Trump is at his core a decent person then he probably would and did as well.

I don't have anything against people who 'flip-flop'.  I do it myself.  I do have something against those who will not flip-flop even when new information comes in.  They either are not exposing themselves to it or are to fossilized (or bought off) to take it in.  Generally I find this inflexibility to be the biggest problem with the hard-core Libertarian types.

An 'irrefutable hypothesis' is an oxymoron.  The word you want in place is 'fact.'

We casual observers are in an information vacuum.  There is no way to 'know' almost anything about the events.  The logical method is to consider a lot of hypothesis and favor the ones which are most coherent and best match the observations but be flexible enough to switch favor when new evidence or theses come along.  Same with any branch of science.  Standard fair.

Here's an illustration:  There is this guy 'spendulus' on a forum.  On the subject of 9/11, he doggedly repeats points in favor of the 'official conspiracy theory' which sound a lot like they came out play-book.  Although he tries to pass himself off as someone with some skills in physics and etc, when pressed it slips that he doesn't even have a basic grasp of the structural theory of the towers.  He'll say 'elementary physics', but neither he nor anyone else can explain why the resistance of the structure did not interfere with the free-fall accelerations observed.  That's about as basic as basic physics gets.  Is Spendulus a shill?  He came to the forum at a point when it would have been clear that having a footprint in bitcoinland would be worthwhile (as did various other suspects) and is quite dedicated.

To be perfectly honest, most of what you have said on this thread really does sound like the sort of playbook described by this guy.  I personally believe that the story is probably legit.  I know from personal experience that entities with a very large footprint considered at one time 'social media' to be of extreme strategic interest.  The guy's story corroborates other things I've run across, and it is about how I would do things if I were operating a shill nest.  This particular nest had an interest and/or contracts with those interested in protecting Zionism, and that is another element which you don't seem to be able to stay away from.  If you are a shill in a formal sense, I would guess that you are fairly high up and don't receive the oversight that you probably need.  Here in Bitcointalk the participants are relatively independent and relatively technical and you are probably doing more harm than good.

Zionist shills really set back and fucked up Wikipedia.  They just happened to be the first place I heard of the problems.  Later I discovered it in other areas as well (global warming, vaccines, naked short selling, etc.)  The long and the short of it is that I used Wikipedia much less due to it's reliability problems and have never supported them financially.

A totally different hypothesis is as I mentioned the other day:  Spendulus is a troll who realizes that he is having a very positive effect at getting people to work on and think about the 9/11 false-flag event.

At this point I'm not really partial to either hypothesis, and there are certainly others as well that are tenable.  I don't 'know' anything one way or the other, and in this case I don't even really care that much.  I'm quite comfortable being in this state, and am in this state to some degree about almost everything in this world.

Ludicrous.  You are sounding desperate and scared my friend.

The thing which characterizes '9/11 believers' is that any possible explanation favoring the government line, no matter how far-fetched and absurd, will be clung to and rejected only when the government changes their story (e.g., the 'pancake theory.')  There are just way to many of these stretches to be credible.  I suppose that in the mind of some it demonstrates some sort of primitive patriotism to swallow whatever the leadership tells one to and that is considered a good thing in some way.  Better than science.  In this way the 'believers' are no different from any other fundamentalist who believe fervently whatever 'science' comes from the IPCC, whatever edicts come from the pulpit, whatever fatwas come from the mullahs, etc.

As I mentioned, it doesn't seem like Millette was dealing with the same material that Harrit et-all were.  Obviously that make his analysis worthless no matter whether he is competent and honest or not.  When I get the paper I'll see how his chain-of-custody compares to that of Harrit et-all and others who seem to be dealing with genuine samples.

The losses in the terrible tragedy of bldg 7 made it so that the Enron investigation could not proceed so I've heard.  Many other investigations of corporate fraud and corruption were set back as well.  Darn shame it was, but that's the way to cookie crumbles.  Best to stop asking questions, come together as a nation, and go attack Saddam and whoever else the neocons have targeted.  What can ya do? 

Millette's samples do not display the same behavior as Harrit's under exposure to MEK.  Millette used this as an excuse to NOT attempt to reproduce the findings that the reaction is violent and resulted in molten iron spheres under the argument that his results indicate no elemental aluminium an thus cannot be of the thermite family.  This indicates to me both that his results are invalid, and that he is a fraud.

Evidence abounds of a cover-up on many fronts.  To wit, one would expect to find a multitude of shills working in various fronts at the behest of the perpetrators.  Millette would appear to be an anticipated example of such.

I've not looked at Millette's paper yet since my workstation fails to verify the issue's certificate authority.  Perhaps later I'll try on a machine with a less secure operating system where I use more relaxed security protocols.

Neither of these assertions are exactly true of the nano-thermite (especially difficult to initiate, or a hypothetical invention in which it would necessarily be especially easy to initiate a reaction.)  The material has been studied in detail in one paper in particular.  From 3. in TOCPJ-2-7.pdf:


I would not want the stuff coating my house if a spark from a random short circuted wire could set it off.  Possibly this was associated with the short-notice power disturbances which impacted on-site datacenter deployments.  I mean, taking certain vacant and prepped floors out of service for safety reasons.

Nano-thermite would act like a high explosive in terms of it's potential to shater and pulverize things and would not overlap with the function of conventional thermite/thermate which is used to cut steel.  The heavy steel box structures mostly I would guess.

I don't doubt that conventional high explosives were employed in convential ways to acomplish certain tasks.  It probably was these which were reported by witnesses time and time again in the early days, and which were responsible for the outward and often upward trajectories of the debris as the buildings were collapsing.

One of the relatively few things that bother me about the thermate/nano-thermite hypothesis is that the nano-thermite which was discovered in all of the dust is quite reactive.  In terms of stability, it is vastly different from high explosives which require another high explosive to initiate a detonation.  It would be excedingly dangerious to have the stuff imbeded in the quantity which seems necessary to so thorougly pulverize the reinforced concreate and create the turbidity flows which were documented.  Crashing any aircraft into the buildings which were rigged would have been a risky moment.  If it went wrong, however, the public would probably be just as inclined to buy a story about planes packed with explosives as they were with the pankake one or those stories which followed.

It does seem clear that much of the footage of the jet liners crashing into the buildings was phony.  I would entertain the thought that there were no aircraft at all.  One of the bits of footage I've seen seemed to show the initial damage imediately following the crash supposedly documented by the French dudes being light and the Wile E Coyote pattern being carved in in the seconds following the impact.

Anyway, the troublesome aspects of my current strongest hypothesis (thermate/nano-thermite) pale compared to the problems associated with the 'official conspiricy theory' which I am supposed to be believing.

Anyone else here wonder if Spendus knows damn good and well that 9/11 was a false flag but is 'trolling'?

I mean, if it wasn't for the stuff he peddles, we would not be researching and/or communicating and this thread would be dead and forgotton.  Keeping it alive with all of the devistating points that the rest of us are making is probably going some distance toward informing those who've not put much time into researching things for themselves.