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4341  Other / Meta / Re: @Mods, can you help me move a thread to the technical board? on: November 20, 2017, 04:58:59 PM
You can move it yourself at the bottom left of the thread or just use the 'report to moderator' button on the right and a staff member will get to it.
4342  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: ICO certification service needed on: November 17, 2017, 06:23:38 PM
This service would be great in theory, but if it was run by people who knew what they were doing and doing a thorough job then probably 99% of ICOs would not pass it. Even the ICOs that probably have a good idea or start off with the best of intentions will likely have no idea what they're doing and mismanage funds and the project will just straight up fail or turn into a scam somewhere.

I out scammers all the time on here for free, but hey, if someone wants to pay me to do it full time, no problem.

If you are providing some kind of structure to how you make your judgements with some kind of track record then you could provide that service for the forum.  That is what OP is asking for.

I know what the OP is asking for, and the reason why. All these scam ICO's will soon become detrimental to the forum that he owns, and possibly cause him some unwanted attention from the authorities.

Not necessarily, and I don't even think this would work because they'll still likely not be SEC compliant. He's probably just uneasy about advertising these blatant cash-grab scams which just seem to be rinses and repeats of the same bullshit under a different name and gimmick. With that being said, I've always wondered how long it would be before this forum caught some sort of heat because sometimes it just seems like a darknet market on a clear-net site. I mean, we have an entire sub board for what are essentially ponzis and pyramid schemes but if I recall correctly theymos mentioned he had taken legal advice regarding it or them being allowed to operate here (though don't quote me on that and maybe theymos could clarify). It would also be interesting to know if any threats or serious attention from the authorities has actually been made as this forum is pretty much the main hub of ICOs. I think it's only a matter of time before ICO campaigns are straight up made illegal - because they likely already technically are - or at least cracked down on extensively. They are pretty much a prime example of what happens with completely unregulated financial markets and how greed and scammers always take advantage of that.   
4343  Other / Meta / Re: Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?) on: November 17, 2017, 06:01:02 PM
They dates/times can all be found on this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12saLhlUoqIdairxzuSPu6EYGrt7FN2lOstO1yDjCEbA/edit#gid=1012758442
4344  Other / Meta / Re: Why are my posts being deleted??? on: November 17, 2017, 05:56:35 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2367445.new#new

I made 2 replies in this thread
 
I basically said "interesting project, following" absolutely no different than anyone else's. (for airdrop)

Why are my posts being deleted? Is it because I'm newbie??? I see other newbie replies that are literally no different than mine.
there is no such discrimination about rank in this forum. you must be more careful for what you are posting because sometimes other people just posting some non-sense thing so that they can get stakes in their campaign neither get up rank faster.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2367445.new#new

I made 2 replies in this thread
 
I basically said "interesting project, following" absolutely no different than anyone else's. (for airdrop)

Why are my posts being deleted? Is it because I'm newbie??? I see other newbie replies that are literally no different than mine.

It because your post is like spam. So just prevent to post like that again.

Pot meet kettles. Do you want to know what else is spam? Rehashing the same thing everyone else has already said several times in a half-assed sentence or two. Utterly redundant. 
4345  Other / Meta / Re: bullshit posters on: November 17, 2017, 05:50:28 PM
Welcome to bitcointalk. This is pretty much standard posting now. What do you expect twelve year old kids from South East Asia who probably struggle to articulate themselves in their own language to write? They're hardly going to knock out a thesis on the politcal ramifications of bitcoin with each post. Most know nothing about bitcoin or much else for that matter but post here because they can earn a decent living off their 12 accounts rehashing the same thing over and over all on crapcoin campaigns. Still, I suppose at least you can give them credit for not copying and pasting, though I'm starting to think I'd rather read a decent copy and pasted post than the utter garbled nonsense these idiots are spewing out.
4346  Other / Meta / Re: blocked on: November 16, 2017, 05:12:26 PM
you understand the difference. you can just criticize like you. but you can just get into the position and give a chance. with you, or what will not. Why to destroy what people create for months. At the moment, the forum is the only source of income. But no one says that it will always be. just say that you do not like Russians and do not want to help them.

You destroyed it. It's not anyone else's fault but your own. Sob stories won't work with us either. It also has nothing to do with your nationality. Russian, Filipino, American, English are all treated the same. Copy content and you get banned for it. The rules are there for a reason.

hello.only you can help me. please answer current for 1 question. if there is at least 1 chance that my husband will be unlocked ???what you can do for this ???We live in Russia. and we have no one to turn to for help

Nope. Not by me. Sorry. The best I can tell you is just create a new account and don't do the same (even though I think it's very likely you already have other accounts). Sadly we don't have any admins who will look into ban evasion or anything else for that matter so you wont be caught unless you screw up.
4347  Other / Meta / Re: WHen will the Moderators put VOD on a leash. on: November 16, 2017, 04:36:12 PM
Well, that was a discussion about who to include onto my own personal trust list, but as usual Quickseller hijacked the thread for his own personal vendettas. I will start a new one for discussion soon.
4348  Other / Meta / Re: Get Donator status by donating 10 BTC on: November 16, 2017, 04:33:09 PM
How do you work that out? As explained above, donations are not used to pay staff and next to nobody is donating. Staff are paid exclusively out of advertisement revenue and donations continue to be used in development of the new forum software.

How can revenue and donations continue to be used in development of the new forum software? The forum software is FREE open source!!

The version used by this forum (SMF 1.1.19) has not been updated here for years even though plenty of free updates and versions have been released: http://www.simplemachines.org/

I do not accept that the "bitcoin donations are going towards development of the forum" when the forum is downloaded for free yet the people running this forum are not updating it.

There should be clarity about where the donations are going and who is using the donations and for what purpose.



Do you even English? The new forum software that is in development. You know, the one with an entire sub forum in Meta dedicated to its development: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=167.0

This one isn't been updated for this exact reason. No point wasting time on it.

When the software will actually be ready or not is another matter but this is the latest info I could find:

Will the new forum be released in the year 2018?
http://epochtalk.org/


Those who know (Slickage team members), one of the following answers (if possible) would be highly appreciated.
No
Yes
It's planned
It's not planned

Thank you so much and keep up the nice work

All of the above! (jk)

Planned for release before the end of the year and finishing migration in 2018. This stuff is incredibly sensitive because we don't have access to the full database and we're migrating data based on a running system.

If you have any issues on the development. Please submit something here or on Github.

Thanks for the nice words!
4349  Other / Meta / Re: banned by a forum moderator on: November 16, 2017, 04:00:44 PM
I understand you, but we are all human beings. and he made a mistake. You can just warn one time. He's honestly a good man

Do good men cheat money from signature campaigns for work they didn't do? If he's a good man I'm sure he will find work elsewhere but this account is done here.

Well, give the chance to atone for your guilt. give somebody something to do. punishment. Well, after all, the person devoted 6 months to the forum. And they do not want to help


I've devoted 4+ years to this forum and spend hours a day fighting a losing battle against greedy cheaters who are here to scam money from campaigns by copy and pasting content and ruining the forum in the process. Where's the sympathy for me? I wish people would stop doing it in the first place because it's tedious work and very hard to spot not to mention immoral and inexcusable behaviour and hence why there are strict rules against it. Nobody likes banning users and I take no pleasure in it - in fact I hate doing it - but it's not acceptable under any circumstances. It's not acceptable to cheat in an exam or pass someone else's work off as your own and pretty much everyone knows that plagiarising content isn't acceptable so you don't need a warning for it.
4350  Other / Meta / Re: Spam questions on: November 16, 2017, 03:47:10 PM
Personally I think users should be forced to read the rules upon sign up with a few of the most important ones as bullet points and a brief explanation of activity. If any user then asks a stupid question that was in those bullet points or can easily be found by reading the rules then they should be permabanned. They are 100% only here to rank up their account as fast as possible so they can earn and if they're too lazy to read the rules then they should face harsh punishment because the workload cause by these idiots is staggering (their threads are 8 times out of 10 in the wrong section as well). This shit is getting worse day by day because people are signing up by the dozens just to hit x rank so they can join x bounty or signature campaign and something needs to change.
4351  Other / Meta / Re: banned by a forum moderator on: November 16, 2017, 03:10:35 PM
I'm pretty sure it wasn't once hence why the account was nuked. If it was just once I would have removed the thread and banned the account instead but from what I recall there were multiple copy and pastes and I'm not going to remove them all one by one. The rest of you and your friends accounts posts are trash so there will be no mercy here. Please move on because it is a well known rule around here that copy and pasting gets you a permanent ban and nobody has any sympathy for it.
4352  Other / Meta / Re: banned by a forum moderator on: November 16, 2017, 02:52:07 PM
Nothing. Once you copy and paste it's a permanent ban. Your "husband" and his "friend" were both doing it. I'm betting there's probably more of your "family" and "friends" doing the same. You should have read the rules.
4353  Other / Meta / Re: banned by a forum moderator on: November 16, 2017, 12:11:04 PM
Your "friend" was banned for copy and pasting just like you are:

Decentralized education platform BitDegree has announced that it is collaborating with Blockchain-based peer-to-peer cryptocurrency Zcoin (XZC) to develop a course about the Zerocoin protocol and the cryptography behind it. BitDegree is a pioneering decentralized education platform, which will revolutionize education by offering Blockchain-powered IT and tech courses.

As part of the agreement, Zcoin has also agreed to invest up to $20,000 USD in the BitDegree scholarship pool. This will allow BitDegree and Zcoin to collaboratively raise awareness surrounding Blockchain technologies, and globally promote Blockchain-based education.

Working together to create a cryptography course is a huge step for BitDegree in establishing itself as a strong decentralized education platform, as well as a promoter of Blockchain-based education and technologies.”. “Zcoin is extremely excited about its new partnership with BitDegree.

We are sure that our jointly-created cryptography course, plus BitDegree’s approach to education of giving learners the chance to “earn whilst they learn” will revolutionize education. In October 2017, BitDegree joined the Enterprise Ethereum Alliance and the Bitcoin Foundation as part of its campaign to adopt best practices from internationally-operating companies who promote the use of Blockchain and cryptocurrencies.

https://blog.bitdegree.org/press-release-bitdegree-teams-up-with-zcoin-to-develop-cryptography-course-ecfe20f90a56
4354  Other / Meta / Re: Ask for reasons of banned account on: November 16, 2017, 03:42:15 AM
If it doesn't state a reason then it's very likely permanent. I cannot be sure exactly what you were banned for but possibly unsubstantial posts. From what I can see your posts contribute very little and are mostly just 'is there a sig campaign' and 'thanks for the airdrop' type posts etc which aren't allowed.
4355  Other / Meta / Re: Why there so many scammers on the site? on: November 15, 2017, 05:38:49 PM
By the way, is there some vigilante anti-scammer squads on this forum, who track down and "eliminate" scammers? Well, except moderators.

There are plenty of people that do this to varying degrees by leaving negative feedback on users they believe to be scammers or have scammed etc. It's a losing battle though and thankless task but some people persevere regardless. Anyone can do it though and the community largely polices itself so I'd urge anyone to leave positive or negative feedback if they feel it is deserved for good or bad behaviour.
4356  Other / Meta / Re: MULTIPLE ACCOUNT on: November 15, 2017, 05:31:57 PM
I heard a story from my friend that most of the people here have 3 up to multiple account here in bitcoin talk and selling it for a specific amount when it reaches Jr or member rank. Is it allowed to have multiple accounts here using the same IP address? Will there be a chance of getting ban when you are navigating multiple accounts?

Some people literally have hundreds of accounts and I suspect some people are actually farming thousands. This guy was caught with over 200 (but they were all banned for shitposting): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1912475.0

I never thought that they're allowing multiple accounts with the same IP. Why people do that and what's for? for me i'm satisfied for single account.

Some people are satisfied with one cake. Some want two. Some get greedy and want ten or hundreds of cakes. People want more accounts because the more they have the more they can potentially earn. Unfortunately, the more accounts you have the poorer your post quality usually becomes (see link I provided above of the farmer just rehashing the same crap account after account).
4357  Other / Meta / Re: Spamming Accounts on: November 15, 2017, 05:21:26 PM
Yeah, they're annoying. They get banned if reported so just keep doing so. What I want to know is are they just bots from account farmers or are the ico campaigns using a service that offers to bump their threads to keep it at the top/relevant (which I know there are several services being offered to do exactly that).

It's not random posts... it seems it until you see a LOT of them and then you see that there must be a bank... so I'd say it's a script being run... my guess is in China or another pennies a day type income area.

I know they're not random. They're bots posting certain stock sentences. They're either from a farmer just trying to easily rank up their accounts or from a paid service offering to keep a ICO thread bumped up and active.

Though I don't have evidence of it (other than the spamming), I believe some of these garbage posters are being paid to bump threads to the top.  

There are ICOs offering to pay for people to post in their threads (which are trashed as it's against the rules to do this), but there are also at least two external services I know of that are offering to bump threads for a price. I banned one of them here (read the thread for further info):

You were banned for unsolicited PM spam and you've been doing it for years.

You're also offering a very spammy and shady service:

Quote from: Bitcoin Forum
Below are the original contents of the personal message which was reported:
hi if you interested in ANN management ..please lete me know what we do . We will help you ann to be in top of 1-3 page .. you know how difficult it will have to keep you ann live and active as so may ann is running right now ..

we will help get around 10+ post per day for a week for for 0.06 BTC so that you ann will be live and active and you get good interaction question and review in your ann to make it active in pages

current i am managing

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2240518.0

hope you got my point ..let me  know

Wouldn't surprise me if it's you botting all those ICO threads with those generic shit questions.

There's also this one:

Quote from: Bitcoin Forum
xxxhas reported the below personal message, sent by ilidion, for the following reason:
This would seem to be one of the people that is trolling all your forums.

Below are the original contents of the personal message which was reported:
Hello,

Would you like to bump your ICO ANN thread and bounty thread always?

We have +100 bitcointalk accounts and we can making 100s of good comments to your threads and bumping it to receive the most possible of traffic.

Here is the details of our offer

400 good comments about them project + 100 on bounty thread =  1 btc  
1000 good comments about them project + 300 on bounty thread =  2 btc
2500 good comments about them project + 600 on bounty thread =  3 btc

If interested kindly PM me back.

Regards,

Edit: and another:

Quote from: Bitcoin Forum
xxx has reported the below personal message, sent by lucolo, for the following reason:
Again the same PM spam

Below are the original contents of the personal message which was reported:
Good day, After reviewing your ICO project I have noticed that you have weak results from Bitcointalk.org . To attract investors, you need to have constantly more activity and increase trust to your project from investors, and we're ready to help in this. Are you interested in?
Please contact me to Telegram – @hypebtc or contact@icosharp.com

Sincerely,Alex.
4358  Economy / Reputation / Re: Recommendations for additions to Default Trust on: November 15, 2017, 05:11:17 PM
this is on topic because there is a question is a "~lauda" should be added to the OP's trust list.
The title is additions. That would be a exclusion, and is therefore off-topic. QED.

Exactly, but yet again Quickseller immediately takes a thread off topic and makes it all about him so locked until further notice. I will re-open a new one for discussion in due time.
4359  Other / Meta / Re: Organized farming of member ranks on: November 15, 2017, 05:04:44 PM
I'm all for finding a solution, and this will stop a majority of the people, it will likely stop the account sellers to a degree, but I think the people buying accounts for signature campaigns will still likely be willing to pay a fee, as they are theoretically doing that now by purchasing accounts, but instead of purchasing the accounts they'll just level them up themselves.

I do think this will limit the much lazier people and the people who aren't willing to invest anything and simply make dozens of accounts just to level them up and this should reduce the amount of accounts which are being sold. Having said that though I would be willing to support this as it would reduce the amount and could potentially make the moderation easier as well as general viewing more pleasant. It's certainly going to do more good than the current system.



But that's the entire point. Instead of buying the accounts from a shitposting farmer or a hacker which people will continue to do for the larger signature they then buy them from us and the money goes to the forum instead. Removing signatures from ranks would stop account farming by almost 100% and accounts would then be largely worthless if they had no signature available, therefore nobody will be buying them except for maybe scammers. I don't have any issue with people paying for the ranks and that's the whole point of it. At the moment it's free to create 200 accounts if you want and shitpost on or bot them until you hit x rank. Nobody is going to buy 200 accounts at $50-200 or whatever they will cost from the forum but if they can actually afford that and not get them banned then fair play to them.

if a user's ignore count (number of times they've been ignored by, say, Full Member+) were displayed, it could be easier to identify spammers, or easier for people to ignore spammers without reading their posts, or there could be an option to ignore anybody who has been ignored by 100+ Hero/Legendary+ members.


People would maliciously abuse it with bots.

if a user's ignore count (number of times they've been ignored by, say, Full Member+) were displayed, it could be easier to identify spammers, or easier for people to ignore spammers without reading their posts, or there could be an option to ignore anybody who has been ignored by 100+ Hero/Legendary+ members.


This used to be a feature, but got removed for a reason I can't recall right now. Basically users glowed Orange/yellow depending on the amount of people they were ignored by.

I think it was slowing the forum down in some capacity so theymos removed it. I wasn't a fan of it any way. Whilst it was sometimes useful for identifying trolls, people would also just use it for anyone who annoyed them or said something they didn't like. Fair enough people ignoring you but I don't think this should be a score in some capacity which is shown to all.  

I say turn off the signatures all together until a proper solution can be found. Be like China, rule with fist.  Grin Cheesy

I'm guessing this is the primary reason for all of these farmed accounts. That and airdrops and selling accounts. Ban these things and the problem goes away.



Wouldn't be against trying it but theymos likely is. Hopefully he will implement the more donator ranks option I suggested though like the copper one he recently added. Maybe silver and gold ranks could be next with a Full Member and Hero-sized signature included for example.

fattycasting

(idk if I should keep posting names here for the record of it, or just send it to you mprep? It could be interesting here for other people to watch and understand the problem.)
Keep posting them here. Easier to keep track of and other mods can see and handle these as well.
wouldn't it endanger my account by posting their names here?
they may retaliate by attacking or hacking me  Undecided by reporting them silently should be enough
I think there are a few groups of them out there but using the same script/program
also I notice they're adapting, a few usernames are selectively picked now not as random as before

Then use the report to mod function. Either or is fine.



I am all for this too. But if getting access to higher ranks means paying, then we might need to add secondary security on our accounts such as 2FA. Them hackers would most likely target the paid accounts since those will be the most coveted ones so securing them with 2FA is not a bad idea.

Several 2fa options will be available on the new forum software coming soon™.
4360  Other / Meta / Re: WHen will the Moderators put VOD on a leash. on: November 15, 2017, 04:39:31 PM
This guy does some good but he also hurts users who are not trying to scam and he basically ruins accounts with no evidence. When are the moderators going to put this guy on a leash and tell him to tone it down? He is abusing his power and everyone knows it.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!

Get your facts straight before you post bullshit negative feedback.



This is a trust issue and a matter of default trust, not related to moderation or staff. This also isn't a court of law so there is no innocence until proven guilty. If a stranger comes to my door or stops me in the street to ask for £10 to get a taxi home on the promise he will pay me it back I'm going to not give him it and assume he's a scammer. Maybe he just lost his wallet and would return the money at a later date, but he probably wouldn't so I'm more inclined to label him as a scammer. That's what vod has done here and I agree with him. You could be the most honest person in the world but we don't know that. If someone sends you money then there's no way to know whether anyone will ever see you again and that's why he's left the feedback. Seriously, just try to look at it from another's perspective. Would you give a random person on the internet your money? I doubt it. 
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