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441  Economy / Economics / Re: Richard D Wolff: Democratize the Corporations on: August 01, 2020, 08:43:31 AM
Your profit is your salary that your employer pays you. If you disagree with this and think that you deserve more/you are not treated well, then look for another place or launch your shit startup with a brilliant idea that will bring a revolution to the world. No one is bothering you!
If you leave it to the market to determine what is fair, in a society where there are more people than there are jobs, then this leads to exploitation. Should we really allow wages to be forced down to (or below) bare subsistence level? Should we allow monopolies and cartels? Medieval feudalism? Indentured servitude? Excessive inequality is bad for everyone. Rich people hoard money. Poor people spend all of it and keep it circulating in the economy. There needs to be something in place to act as a brake on the excesses of capitalism. Whether this should entirely be government responsibility, or whether it should start by changing company structures and cultures instead is open to question. But surely something is required. People who are more talented, have great ideas, have more drive etc, do deserve to be paid more. But the people at the bottom deserve to at least be treated like humans. Remember we are talking about people working long hours for low pay.

I will keep people at work and pay them money instead of buying a batch of robot vacuum cleaners and a batch of CNC machines that will replace all this stuff with better production. But the barmaid will be happy that it was not replaced with a buffet! [...] The proposals are a complete mess, the implementation is even worse.
I agree with you on this part. If a job can be automated out, then do so. Inefficiency is stupid. But instead of removing a job and putting the profits in the hands of the already wealthy bosses, why not use the money instead to fund a job that benefits society as well as keeping someone in employment?

I'm sorry but these are the most irrelevant examples-you compare warm with soft. All that you have described will not return for the simple reason that it is a passed stage that has shown its inefficiency in comparison with the current model.

And for the rest - with the proposed scheme in the post, it is impossible to reorganize any of the existing companies because otherwise it will collapse in a week.
If you set a requirement for such an organization for new companies , there will not be a single successful example. People will stop wanting to start a business because no one wants to. Imagine yourself-you want to eat a salmon sandwich, but before you buy it in subway, you need to ask permission from your parents, your wife and children, all relatives. If you get it - then the employee at the checkout must get permission from EVERYONE in the company and only then if the stars converge you will get your sandwich.
Such a management system generates an unthinkable and unreasonable amount of both paper and organizational work.
And finally - do you really want a cleaner with an elementary school education to have a voice in decisions about the company's development? I don't want to because it's already not a company but an anti-cafe where everyone discusses [something] and then goes home without coming to a consensus.

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I agree with you on this part. If a job can be automated out, then do so. Inefficiency is stupid. But instead of removing a job and putting the profits in the hands of the already wealthy bosses, why not use the money instead to fund a job that benefits society as well as keeping someone in employment?

Many companies are engaged in charity work. Many companies have salary grades and all sorts of bonuses for employees. Google, for example. Do you think that it is cheap and free to maintain an entire corporate campus? Everything in this world has to be paid for, either with money or without it. And you know very well that it is better to choose the first option than the second..
442  Economy / Economics / Re: Here is the biggest problem with cryptos on: August 01, 2020, 08:31:18 AM
I'm sure you were the first to think of it!
But seriously - it's not "you" who turned btc/eth/etc into a fin tools a "we". It is now impossible to get out of this using the same btc/eth and you need a normal new (convenient, without over volatility, adequate, easy) crypto
443  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Are you still sleeping? on: August 01, 2020, 08:28:37 AM
It is very funny to see how in one post a person complains that instead of replacing Fiat, the cryptocurrency has turned into another fin.tool and in another post-a call to trade, pump and lift the market. I still wonder which of you will win - traders and other lovers of money from the air or more consistent, who still believe that you can use the crypt as money.
444  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Forget bounties and Airdrops on: August 01, 2020, 08:19:36 AM
Well, you go with this post to the managers of companies and do not write it on the forum where everyone with the signature of the company and receives awards in the campaign tokens/btc. This is all-a tool for attracting and cheap advertising and participants of such movements use it not to earn (most often) but for the sake of interest and a small penny. As we said above you really don't understand how it works so don't make such aggressive and ultimatum statements.
445  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic situation declining and famous celebs not paying workers on: August 01, 2020, 08:02:50 AM
I think this only happens in some companies ,those who has demonic bosses  in which they are not treating employees as human instead they are machinery that needs to make their company growing and this is the sad reality mate.
i hate to see people are crying for food when they have some  amount  to claim for their works.
But lets admit that the government now cannot focus in these cases thats why these people are taking advantage of the situation.lets see what happens when  everything comes back to normal,I'm sure those countries that has Leader that loves masses?they will back turn to these employer with hammer hands.
imho if anyone should help people then its the state - because it receives trillions of taxes from both companies and ordinary people. If the state does not do this, then do not throw all the blame on the business. Many employers pay their employees salaries either on vacation or continue to work by organizing a remote workflow.
I understand this desire to blame on the business, "take and share», etc but it will not work in this way
remember that even there are trillions of money being collected from taxes the infrastructures ,and all the calamity assistance,and in this case employers have obligation to Their employee to at least help out in small ways.
because more than everything this is the time that government and companies to stay together and  help each other.
this cannot be done by government  itself,they must help in small things  that they can.

I do not dispute that employers should help. All reasonable assistance that business can provide is not to inflate prices for products and other goods, but also to continue to pay at least some acceptable salary for the period of downtime (and this is done by many).
And that's why I don't like all the shouts of the level "YOU HAVE to HELP YOU HAVE MONEY RRRRR" because the money is there but if you spend it all here and now - instead of reverse recovery, we will get thousands (if not tens or hundreds of thousands) of ruined people from the SME sector. In the current case, a perfectly acceptable compromise between these points has been implemented and if you start spending more, the consequences will be much more depressing. Inflation, do you remember about it?
446  Economy / Economics / Re: Korea proposes 20% tax on crypto trading starting 2021 on: July 31, 2020, 08:22:47 AM
Amazing! The state integrates cryptocurrency into the economy but everyone is dissatisfied with this because now it necessary to pay taxes!
And they do not want to accept the fact that this is a kind of contract price
I think this is a fairly simple rule that has been working for a very long time - if you want to do [something] with [something] in the country, then you will have to pay for it in the country itself. At least in exchange for protection. I do not see anything wrong with this, given that the crypto is really now not a coin and more fin tool.
447  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic situation declining and famous celebs not paying workers on: July 31, 2020, 08:05:57 AM
imho if anyone should help people then its the state - because it receives trillions of taxes from both companies and ordinary people. If the state does not do this, then do not throw all the blame on the business. Many employers pay their employees salaries either on vacation or continue to work by organizing a remote workflow.
I understand this desire to blame on the business, "take and share», etc but it will not work in this way
448  Economy / Economics / Re: Richard D Wolff: Democratize the Corporations on: July 31, 2020, 07:57:01 AM
Wow, some Marxist is suggesting that workers participate in making important decisions in the Corporation!
No this is a disgusting idea and it should be given maximum disapproval and the Professor himself should be ostracized by now.
If in order, then
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The decision about what to produce, when to produce, etc., is a collective decision instead of the top management decision. This means skilled workers have the same vote as the janitors.
1) Since when should a cleaner have a voice? She does not know how the date differs from the big date what kind of voice is it?
2) create your own company and decide for yourself what to produce and when. And if you are an employee - you can either work or go fuck yourself, if you want to climb where you are not even asked to look.
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The workers are also the owners of the company; therefore, they get to choose what to do with the profits.
Once again, create your own company and decide what to do there. Your profit is your salary that your employer pays you. If you disagree with this and think that you deserve more/you are not treated well, then look for another place or launch your shit startup with a brilliant idea that will bring a revolution to the world. No one is bothering you!
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Worry about machines replace your job because it will lower costs? It's not a problem with this democratic corporation since the goal is to keep the workers happy.
Great for the sake of cleaners and low-skilled staff, I will keep people at work and pay them money instead of buying a batch of robot vacuum cleaners and a batch of CNC machines that will replace all this stuff with better production. But the barmaid will be happy that it was not replaced with a buffet!
In General, this is another example of fucking and innovative ideas from those people who have never done anything large-scale themselves in their lives, other than lifting a volume of Marx in one hand and Lenin in the other. The proposals are a complete mess, the implementation is even worse.
That's about it. I was triggered.
449  Economy / Economics / Re: Global Migration of Millionaires. Can Bitcoin change this scenario? on: July 31, 2020, 07:48:32 AM
Your message is not very clear about how btc can make the world a freer place. Here is a more realistic scenario - people leave countries where the crypto is prohibited/does not have a legal status to where it is in a better position and nothing changes in the end. Rich people as they moved to a places that better for them and they will be. Not the rich will continue to sit where they sit because there is no other way out.
Where does BTC make the world a freer place? How? There is still migration from one country to another-is it freedom? Or what?
No one in their right mind would store super-large amounts in btc because it is not predictable. Remember what a war of suicides was after his fall.
450  Economy / Economics / Re: Will India be more progressive in the coming years? on: July 31, 2020, 07:17:53 AM
The lifting of the ban on one thing != a sharp increase in prosperity in the country.
Sorry, but there are far more problems of a more serious order than the ban on cryptocurrency that would immediately cause its removal "rapid growth and unprecedented development". We can say that at the moment cryptocurrency is a boon for the countries of the 1st world where there are no global problems and people need individual things and not a total fix.
451  Economy / Economics / Re: Cash Is Trash on: July 30, 2020, 06:02:35 AM
Wow you are so cool and smart God! Please tell me more about the fact that money is garbage I'm so interested! Listen do you agree that the state is also garbage and we need to get rid of it? I believe that we should return to the barter system and live in peace and harmony! Damn you just like I honestly did not think that I would meet here the same smart person I'm so happy!
452  Economy / Economics / Re: How long will it take banks to phase out physical cash completely? on: July 30, 2020, 05:58:49 AM
You initially put the question incorrectly. The question is not how quickly banks will be able to switch to a full cashless payment,
i dont know about you but i thinnk both are the same   . to phase out mean there is nothing left and if theres nothing left they can decide to switch cashless now but they can only do that if they wont print money anymore  .

but whether all and even the smallest entrepreneurs will want to give up cash payments. Whether all old people will want to switch to plastic cards. Plus, do not forget that all this needs to be serviced somehow, and this is a big cost for master systems (Visa, MC) to expand capacity and improve stability.
big companies are already integrated with visa and master card  . they are also already paying for the maintenance cost because they already have thier online versions  . for small entrepreneurs , its easy to setup digital payments and they can do this on thier own   .


All the same, there are a number of difficulties that can not be simply ignored by saying that "just start accepting cashless payments".
This is a fairly long process that involves a lot of factors-as I said above, starting from the expansion of the infrastructure of payment systems and ending with old people with dollars under the sofa - as well as the fact that for some businesses, payment for cash and settlement service (annual) can be totally unprofitable because there is not such a number of payments that would have at least some logic. Any micro-business for the production of things-furniture, for example-some piece production and so on. There are many factors, and such a transition also needs to be coordinated with a lot of authorities, from the state authorities to the Federal government. Plus do not forget that in the US any attempt to force something can end in complete failure and downgrades so it's like stepping into a minefield except that.
453  Economy / Economics / Re: This is a total nightmare on: July 30, 2020, 05:36:19 AM
You do understand that a) you are not the only one in a similar situation b) it will not end soon
And instead of crying that everything is lost, it's better to pull yourself together and be together - this is the only way to successfully survive all this.
I'm sure you'll be all right too
I agree but this will totally take some time to be able to come back. A lot of business are been closed already. Vaccine need to be release immediately but the real score about the vaccine will take place by the end of the year. IT industry seems to be back on their normal situation since IT sector can able to work from home and can be able to prove important things to their employees.
I’m more worried about the situation of workers not be to work like public utility drivers, construction workers and other workers lose their job. There the one who totally in nightmare right now.
Exactly!
All this whining of modern white-collar workers is no longer even funny. Guys sit at home and write their shit-code from the sofa while drinking a decaf latte with almond milk and confidently talk about how bad they are when they are ordinary hard workers (without which there would be no this parody of milk, nor its technology, and much more) are now really much worse off. As in the joke where the rich man was upset that he could not buy another yacht because it would have to buy a personal port, and an ordinary man is happy with fresh vegetables for dinner.
454  Economy / Economics / Re: This is a total nightmare on: July 28, 2020, 07:09:48 AM
You do understand that a) you are not the only one in a similar situation b) it will not end soon
And instead of crying that everything is lost, it's better to pull yourself together and be together - this is the only way to successfully survive all this.
I'm sure you'll be all right too
455  Economy / Economics / Re: How long will it take banks to phase out physical cash completely? on: July 28, 2020, 07:03:03 AM
You initially put the question incorrectly. The question is not how quickly banks will be able to switch to a full cashless payment, but whether all and even the smallest entrepreneurs will want to give up cash payments. Whether all old people will want to switch to plastic cards. Plus, do not forget that all this needs to be serviced somehow, and this is a big cost for master systems (Visa, MC) to expand capacity and improve stability. Too much needs to be done and the ways of total digitalization of money turnover are not obvious enough to raise the question as simply as you do.
456  Economy / Economics / Re: What brings economy of a country down. on: July 25, 2020, 01:37:21 PM
Of course this covid-19 makes the economy of almost all countries in the world go down. Because some countries are forced to quarantine.
So some companies, offices, factories, shops, malls, etc. must be closed. So many people suddenly have no income, this also causes the
country's tax revenue to decrease. After that the government must provide stimulus to the poor, all this factors makes the country's economy
fall. Therefore, now some countries force to open quarantine when it is spreading corona virus is still happening, to make the country's economy
rise again.

The main thing is that the second wave would not be even more destructive than the first-and it will definitely be and it has already begun. I personally intend to stay at home as much as possible until an effective and official vaccine is ready. It will be even worse you will see!
457  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bounty or Airdrop kill project? on: July 25, 2020, 01:16:55 PM
 bounty/airdrop  do not kill projects.  the approach of the projects themselves to the implementation of such processes is doing this. Well again if the project can be killed by just a single sale of bounty coins then this is a very weak project and perhaps it does not need to exist
458  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: OneCoin scam promoters found dead! on: July 25, 2020, 01:03:30 PM
I'm not sure that your gloating is appropriate - yet death is too high a price for financial fraud. If you want the scammers to die when you get caught on their hook - then you already have two problems instead of one.
459  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ARE ICOS STILL LEGIT? on: July 25, 2020, 12:37:41 PM
Whatever method of entering the market does exist - there will always be dark schemes and there will always be scammers. It is not a question of method, it is a question of desire and nothing more.
460  Economy / Economics / Re: Loans in a Bitcoin world on: July 25, 2020, 12:32:20 PM
Again, you come up with a Bicycle-starting it with the fact that instead of a round wheel, put a square one. Why BTC and not another cryptocurrency? Why can't I use any stablecoin for lending? Why replace all Fiat exclusively with cryptocurrency at all - this will not give the expected effect, but will only lead to the change of one Unicode character to another? So many questions and so few answers...
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