Is that the best you can do? Name calling? I'm pretty sure you can do much worse. But let's face it. You are a scammer. I go on record to say this. I will post a full recollection, but I want to give you a chance to make amend (You have my money in limbo. DO NOT SAY YOU DO NOT!). If you choose to send me a bitcoin, nothing will be post (you keep your reputation intact). Last chance.

That was not my point. My point was that not all paypal users are scammer, just as not all sellers are scammer (I was just simply pointing out an obvious fact that you  I also said that you have to keep documents, paypal will side with you. Now, if you are a scammer, then yes, you will do what it takes to scam people regardless of your status (either seller or buyer). If you choose the route say WU/Bank transfer, there is no point in tracing anything! WU cannot be traced even if you do use your credit card. Bank transfer is even harder to trace, but it is possible. I was simply stating a fact that, if you are a scammer, you are going to do what it takes to scam people. It does not matter! Honest people will do what honest people do! Scammer will do what they will do!

Now, you speak of a two-way authenticator. Are you seriously kidding? You think that is safe? I highly doubt that is safe. I mean let's face it. Yes, it decreases the risk, but it does not eliminate the risk. There is no such thing as eliminating the risk. The solution is not as easy as you think it is. If it was, there would not be security firm floating around and getting paid big bucks to prevent this! How about triple authenticator? Don't know. How about multiple confirmations when money is sent? You'll be waiting for your money for decades! Paypal security sucks. Sure. Then again, how about amazon security? How 'bout target? How 'bout best buy? Every system is safe until it is broken into. Then, it is no longer safe! Ask any security expert!

Do keep in mind though. I am not saying we should break into every system to test this theory. I am not advocating anyone to break into any system. I hope everyone in the world is honest and truthful. I hope everyone does exactly what they promised! I hope there are no more scammers.

But I keep digressing my point. You said my post is pathetic and wrong (The whole thing is wrong!). Since they are wrong and they are pathetic (mate), you have no problem in ensuring (hahahaha) all transaction here. So, COME ON, matey! Ensure (get it? hahahaha!!!!! priceless) these transactions, because every sellers here are honest and truthful. Let's DO THIS!!!!! There is no need to speak about anything other thing. (Hell, I did not think about log into a friend's network and use it! you thought of it! You sir are truly a master, you speak of all things true! And I have much to learn, master!)

Because, if I was right and that ALL EXPERIENCES ARE THE SAME AS OTHERS, I would insure (no more joke) these transaction!

But what do I know (all I know is not everyone is the same..... either buyers or sellers can be scammer)? Won't you insure every transaction here, master?

Can you ensure that 100% of the sellers here are honest, truthful, and will do what they say? If my post is as pathetic as you say, then you would not mind ensure this, would you, mate? Also, you would not mind to ensure all sellers, wherever PayPal is accepted, are good and wholesome, and honest?

My account is hacked.... You do know paypal has an ip logged? Also, you do know that scammer will do what it takes to get theirs. No question asked!

Anyway, since my post is stupid and pathetic like you have said, you will ensure every sellers here that they will not walk away with your money, and that buyers will get what they are promised!

Short story. I pay him for a bitcoin using paypal. He didn't send the bitcoin. I filed chargeback, because he got fishy. A lot of things did not add up. Now, my money is tied up, because of him. I will do a complete recollection today. So everyone can see.

Honestly, paypal does not suck. Not for when people refuse to send the bitcoin that you have paid for. I would not for once defraud a seller if he is honest! I have bought a lot of things through forums (blu-rays, TV, DVDs, electronics etc....). I would never file a chargeback unless I smell something fishy or the things never come or it came damage because of seller's negligence. I have also been a seller that accepts paypal. And yes, I do get chargeback all the time. However, you need to follow through and keep your papers and documents. Paypal will never side with the buyer if you have kept your documents properly. Heck, if buyer requests for a refund, I would send a return label and refund the full amount. No question asked.

I don't understand why people are so against paypal on this forum. Embrace paypal or service that gives buyer a recourse for those bad apples would deter the bad apples (At least I hope). When you are against those services, you are only inviting more people to be cheated. Look at the new scammers that are pooping up! It's a minefield now!

Let's say, you say, I only want WU. Ok, a buyer goes and agree to send WU. You get your WU, and you send his out. It works for you! Now, a scammer sees this. He says I only accept WU. Same buyer goes and agrees to send WU. The scammer gets WU and runs! Buyer has no way to get money back. He could be out of thousands of dollars.

Yes, not all buyers are completely honest. But, are all sellers honest? They both are the same! Both people are looking for a way to cheat the other.

In other words, you were cheated once somewhere. Now you are saying all buyers who use paypal are scammers. All you are doing is letting "one bad apple spoiling the bunch". Take me as an example. I did get scam today. He knows who he is. Do I go and say all sellers are dishonest? No, because that is not fair to other sellers out there who are truly honest and legit! 

I have been both a buyer and seller.... I'm just saying don't stereotype everything!

trust no one!

Let's be honest here. You led me on. And that is the characteristic of a scammer. You are a scammer. I don't know why you won't admit this. (Well, I guess a scammer will not admit this).

Second you have been here longer than I. You know the rules. Still you want to do this. So, you got caught. It is plain and simple! Name one thing you haven't done wrong. Want me to post the chat transcript or pm? You can point out which part that you have not done wrong!

Here are my questions. Did you not propose those things that I have posted? At any point in time, did I give you the impression that I will go back on our deal? You could have said, please wait until I find out why my account is being frozen. You did not say either. You kept me going with "I have no cheated blah blah blah". Then only when I press it hard enough, did you not say " if you havnt got in 30mins i will refund" through your email mybitsac@gmail.com. Also, did you not say

Isn't that your trust cloud? Nobody will vouch for you? (BTW you have never sent me the trust cloud link)

Honestly, I believe this much is true. Yes, you did those initial transaction true, but you used it to bait the rest (I am right so far there, mate?). It's too bad that you have met me. Now, I'm pretty sure you ran out of bitcoin at this point. There is no way you can uphold your end of the bargain. Thus, you sir are a cheater, and a scammer.

And why did I not call you? Our deal did not stipulate that we speak through the phone. The deal stipulates that we both do what we are promised.

Anyway thanks to you, my funds are now in limbo, because of your stupidity. Your negligence for detail has caused me a great deal of headache. I have to deal with my paypal. Then I have to deal with my bank.

You can end all of this by send me one bitcoin. Then I will say to paypal, everything has been solved. You get your funds. I get my bitcoin. Everyone is happy. No more headache!

You claimed not to be a scammer, but your hesitation and your statements have proven otherwise.

BTW, your phone number is in greenboros, NC. You attended Selwyn College, Auckland (Isn't that New Zeland? And isn't that a secondary school? Why do you only cared for your secondary school? It makes one wonder!) Is this not your twitter: https://twitter.com/mybitsac? And you lived in..... Should I go on?

All I want is my bitcoin and I will personally call paypal and get this square away. You know I will do what I promise.

scammers are popping up everywhere!

no need for name calling, inflames666.

This is the address that he gave me 13Lz3QE7K3LFVSaavgRqs7b7AsHTDJ6sJN for coin.mx. He said that it takes 6 confirmations for bitcoin to transfer between wallets! I waited from midnight to 6:00 AM! Simple answer, there was no coin sent! So I check the address in block chain. There were no coin in there (you can check this on block chain). Then I used an old email that he gave me under alias of Ryan Bullon (mybitsac@gmail.com). I did a google search. You can even do a google search! It came up 1291Uft5JUKwFq3z5zttuDTbRw1v53Yp4Q with multiple session! So I told him that. Then he said "Do I know you?" at 6:37 AM. Weird right?

He also gave me his "wife" paypal; she is called Natasha Murray. Then this genius produces proof that his paypal account has been limited. Then he asked me to send it to a different paypal account (usually a flag when it comes to scammer!). Then he propose to do the following at
I reply and said
Then he wanted to speak over Skype or google video!

Now he is asking me to wait patiently until his paypal limited is lifted. And that there is nothing that he can do.

He is a scammer! It is that simple. Show the people that you are not a scammer by sending me my bitcoin. Like I have said before, once you have sent my bitcoin, I will personally do what I have promised!

For any newbie who wants to buy coin, USED PAYPAL EVEN IF THE USER HAS A LONGER TIME IN THE FORUM THAN YOURS! HECK, THE PERSON CAN CLAIM THAT HE HAS DONE EVERYTHING ALOT OF SUCCESSFUL TRANSACTIONS... ALL IT TAKES IS ONE FAILED TRANSACTION TO BE A SCAMMER!

Now, I know the unstated rule in forum is that if you do not have any transaction done and the other person has one or being here longer than you, you need to send first. I did exactly according to the book! I have sent first, but I have been scammed.

If any mod wants proof, I will show you proofs and pictures that I have taken and he has sent!

For inflames666 (Ryan/Natasha), you want this to go away! SEND ME MY BITCOIN! (IT IS THAT SIMPLE!)

What the hell are you talking about? You did not send anything! I have yet to receive it in my block chain wallet! Heck, I gave you my wallet address for both Blockchain and Coin.mx (which that you said was coming from) (I tried to make it so that you can get my coin faster! and hopefully it was easy for you)! Then you said that it takes a while for it to come! It was from midnight ET to 6:00 AM ET (that's 6 hours!) I'm guessing it takes 6 hours to get 1 btc to send from one wallet to another. He has no proof that he has sent it! So yes, you are a scammer, sir!

Now, do you want to explain to me how is it sent when my wallet has not received (either block chain or coin.mx)? Can you also explain to me how am I "kicking your head in"?

We agreed to a deal for 1 bitcoin. He has not sent the bitcoin and said
"Ryan:  thats ur coin mx addy?
 me:  yes
 Ryan:  dam your switched on
 me:  switched?
 Ryan:  clued up
a smart cookie..."

I'm in DC. Can I pick it up?

I know where you got it from... congrats

hello everyone

me too i hope i get to post now