This is what a very cool Bitcoin transaction looks like:

{    
"hash": "fa08429ffc1f8cc219be99f1590d8d94d515635531d9929076e630cda79599c8",    
"ver": 1,    "vin_sz": 1,    "vout_sz": 5,    "lock_time": 0,    "size": 365,    

"in": [
      {        "prev_out":
   {          "hash": "07f0acabb9d1bd5a82be57ef7a8697ec664ea5dec780c1cddf8ca7a62bca91aa",          "n": 1        },           "scriptSig": "304502210085b52beeca88c06883e4e487420f4d788d7114a8e2aa58a5bf30003ed67d2d4a02201 b1dd5676abec65b2feb735bb8b88d6079cb2ff59560480e27167290e6b1141501 03611dc2a57e244ab48a6d1b9bbb8958a0743c002d141def726cd2d2732dd01561"      }    
   ],  

"out": [
      {        "value": "0.05000003",        "scriptPubKey": "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 b76da706eff5571ff4e495b1f842d0dd601fea59 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG"      },  
      {        "value": "0.02000001",        "scriptPubKey": "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 b76da7009052c994cb90872887df6fa894e58872 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG"      },      
      {        "value": "0.07000001",        "scriptPubKey": "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 b76da70265985ea5a90e6527a76e17925acd6fb1 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG"      },      
      {        "value": "0.44200000",        "scriptPubKey": "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 08de6bd04fe5375f3f3a9a5c6132440c63e453a3 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG"      },            
      {        "value": "0.04555841",        "scriptPubKey": "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 0cc3ed93022d209d7907939a5be757db143e568c    
   ]
}

Can you post an example of a MultiSig transaction?  How does that look?  

Do all the output addresses have a '3' as their first character?  Can we use vanityGen to make addresses that start with a '3'?

It would be a coup of epic proportions if Switzerland would say: 'to any formerly California company: if you move to Switzerland we will provide you 12 months free post box office, business shell entity, and $5000'.  They would be able to 'buy' so many great cryptocompanies with this trick.  They would benefit tremendously over the coming 20 years with the goodwill from having all these new clean white collar businesses.  AND it totally fits with their mentality as the Swiss have long been in favor of 'hands off' banking laws.  Switzerland is poised to totally blow California out of the water.  

New York deserves the hate and distain that is soon to be directed towards it.  This idea that the police can look around in your underwear drawer - before you do something wrong is absurd.  Ben Lawski thinks he is protecting customers.  In fact, he is merely annoying entrepreneurs who understand there is no way a start up should be spending large portions of the budget preparing stupid paper for government regulators to put their stamp on.  Fortunately, those entrepreneurs don't want to sit around and talk about it with them either - they rather just pack it up and leave.  

California is next.  $5000 to 'register' as a crypto company doing business.  What kind of a 'register' (database) needs $5000 for an entry?  This is just another stupid tax.  So many really great start ups can move their project ahead pretty far on those $5000.  To a government official, $5000 is nothing.  To a bootstrap entrepreneur it is a load of money.  

I am in discussions with my partners now.  We decided we will not organize in California.  Its not precisely the $5000 - it is whatever comes next that we don't know about.  

The FinCen lady Calvary said it best: the laws against fraud and money laundering are pretty effective already.  We don't need new laws.  We can just use the old laws to stop bad actors.  But some fools see a new 'denomination' and they jump at the chance to levy a new tax scheme.  

Leave it to the government to smother a tiny spark of innovation with more tax.  Lawski = idiot.  I am glad he got fired.  Now NY ought to throw his stupid crypto plan in the shitcan too - before ten more companies like ShapeShift cut NY out of the picture entirely.  

OK - that is very cool.  But when is 0.11rc1 going to be live?  When does this stuff get adopted?  How does that work?

Yeah, he is a senator in Canada now.

Jesus Christ dude - don't click on any links!  Are you crazy?  All your bitcoin will be gone in 3 seconds.  Just don't click things on the Internet - too dangerous.  You should turn your computer off now!  Go watch TV.

You might be wrong.  This forum is bigger than any other in the bitcoin community.  Getting people motivated against this activity taken up by US regulators and reminding them that everyone is leaving in earnest can make them think twice about overly regulating an important community.  NY may have choked the life out of young bitcoin startups, but silicon valley/ California still has some chance to go a different direction.  Popular opinion does matter.  Bitching in forums can move popular opinion. 

Lawsky creates all these crazy laws with the idea he can have a job later.  The result: Xapo, Antonopolis, others all leave the US.  Lawsky is an asshole for putting such a huge burden on bitcoin community, so he can have a job, at the expense of the community leaving New York.  For every dollar Lawsky made for himself, he cost the community $10,000.  Now, your explanation tells why Lawsky did it.  I know why he did it - 'its just business'.  
When a theif steals a $1000 car stereo and sells it for $100, he does 10:1 damage:gain.  How much damage did Lawsky actually do in order that he have a sweet consulting lawfirm job after leaving government?  100:1?; 1000:1; 10000:1 - at some point you've got to complain.  'Its just business' isn't a sufficient explanation.  

"he is willing to make a life changing career change" - actually, people I know have told me that his bosses are furious that Antonopolis said in one of his speeches that 'bitcoin companies are already leaving New York because of Lawsky's department'.  In other words, he is not willing to change career - he got fired for making a raging mess of this department which has companies fleeing the US (i.e. Xapo most recently).  He was sacked for shit performance.

This asshole Lawsky laid a very complex minefield of bullshit http://www.coindesk.com/lawsky-consult-digital-currency-nydfs regulations.  Now, he wants to quit his government job and have you hire him so he can take tons of money from your company to navigate through the mines he laid!!   Please don't hire this guy.  Talk about abuse of a government job.  

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yeah, but these starts up that are 'still here' are burning up millions in investors cash while producing NOTHING.  Burning money while trying to make these get going is not going to last forever.  Who is actually bringing in as much money as there is going out?  Let me answer the question = NOBODY

Lets say I send some bitcoin to an address in a normal bitcoin transaction.  How many confirmations will it need before another transaction which spends those bitcoins will be accepted by nodes?

Folks, please allow me to give you some nice advice about how the legal system works in the US.  

Bitcoin is a very unique wild new 'thing' with very interesting unusual properties and attributes.  These unusual properties and attributes can enable certain activity which is ILLEGAL!!

Now, since it will take more than 10 years to put into place effective legislation which operates to control bad activity which may be brought about by clever folks who embrace these unusual properties and attributes, the cops need to put some pressure on those who chose to do this stuff.  But the cops don't have good specific laws yet.  However, just because these laws don't yet exist, doesn't mean the cops will let people run wild.  Nope.  Instead they will use the old laws, and with those laws they will put the hammer down early and often.  Not only that, they will put the hammer down hard.  

In this way, they will encourage others to use Bitcoin gently and politely until the effective laws can be devised.  

1) Ross
2) Charlie
3) http://qntra.net/2015/05/deep-web-marketplace-go-betweener-faces-20-years-jail/
4) you are next

Folks, just because it seems like Bitcoin will enable you to do crazy illegal shit without getting caught - you are going to get caught.  And when you do, the penalty is going to be VERY severe.  Don't freaking do illegal shit with Bitcoin!!!

The government doesn't hate Bitcoin.  They aren't trying to wreck it.  They just won't tolerate ANY bullshit from squirmy little nerds who think Silk Road is just clever software.  Silk Road was a massive drug peddling operation.  Your soft characterization of it won't operate to soften the jail time you are about to get.  

Here's the good news: There are 1000s of cool LEGAL things to do with Bitcoin.  Go build a few of those.  

Who did he scam?

One thing that even the most argumentative bastard on this site, of which you may very well be, cannot argue with is the following: Those filthy fucking dirty cops, like so many other similar cops, were reprehensible in their activities.  Cops, and lots of them, are dirty as week old laundry.  The difference is, a little soap will put the laundry back in good order.  Dirty cops are filthy for ever -  you don't ever really put them right.  

I imagine there will be a few fellows in jail for drug related offenses.  I wonder what they will think of their new DEA roommate.  I imagine ol' Force4 will get a bonus with his sentence.  That bonus being the anger of his new peers.  Force4 is well fucked - and he deserve it too.

Why do you think that ad homimem attacks don't help?  I think they help immensely - you moron.  

as to 'reasonableness'  -  was it reasonable that the government was in there searching - in part - to gain a position from which it could lob extortion attacks?  That seems somewhat unreasonable to me.  Also, to say that New York didn't get any derived information from Force4 is nonsense.  Force4 and his illegal searches developed the identity of Ulbrict.  EVERYTHING which came later - was fruit of the poisonous tree.  New York - or Baltimore both teams derived and developed evidence from a bad and illegal search which should be held unconstitutional.  You can't have a fucking pig deep in the act of abuse of color - and argue reasonable.   I call raging bullshit.  (what kind of attack is that?)

I am sorry my friend, but I think you are gonna need a few more years of law school; fancy as you may already be.

Force4 as part of his efforts as lead investigator DID a search.  Because he acted criminally during that search - it became an illegal and unconstitutional search.  Evidence developed from that unconstitutional search - and its derivatives must be excluded from the prosecution.  

I think it happens all the time.  One way to prove that is to consider how casually Force4 did things.  He didn't bother even a little bit to conceal his identity - just the opposite, he was showing off his badge when wiring funds all over the place.  A guy who spent his career following these kinds of trails knew his tracks could VERY easily be followed.  He just believed they would not be followed because he was a cop and cops do this all the time and get away with it all the time.  If he felt they would come looking for him, he would have been far more tidy with his activity.  The reason he was so wantonly careless is because he and his coworkers had been doing this for many years and getting away with it.

Oh yeah?  Haven't you ever heard about 'fruit from the poisoned tree'?  Force4 was the lead investigator.  Every bit of evidence is derived from his original efforts.  There is no evidence which does not come from the work product of a criminal whose efforts were per se adverse to Ross' position.  

How do you like them apples Legal Beagle?

The Judge won't change her mind - I agree with you on this point.  But request for retrial is an action taken against her.  No doubt she won't agree with it.  But on appeal, a different judge will decide the tree question.