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So I take it you are ok with those countless patents for processes and machines that current technology cannot achieve?
I am amazed that you don't see a difference between personal use and the manufacturing and sale of an item. You really buy into the current state of patent and copyright law? I am all for allowing those who came up with an idea to profit off it, but I do not think it should be a crime for someone to repeat their experiment for their own use. That's some christianity in the dark ages shit right there.
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Anyone remember that thread where a guy had some crazy graphic utility for FPGA design? I didn't understand a lick of what everyone was talking about, but it seemed that he was hand plotting it, and the pictures were awesome...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49971That one! What is it? |
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So if I could get my hands on a 4x hex core server with 256GB of RAM, you FPGA guys would love me long time?
I recall somebody posting a screenshot of a control session for an Amazon EC2 farm containing over 50 machines doing the Xilinx design. I really don't think that using more brute-force would be helpful. The SHA-family of algorithms are very regular and pretty much every bit depends on every bit. This hits a weak spot in the global optimization algorithm used by the FPGA tools. I think that the way forward goes through the use of specialized synthesis tools that don't make generic assumptions about what kind of circuitry is being synthesized. Anyone remember that thread where a guy had some crazy graphic utility for FPGA design? I didn't understand a lick of what everyone was talking about, but it seemed that he was hand plotting it, and the pictures were awesome... |
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Let me pose a question for you: If I take a Montsanto sunflower seed, grow it, harvest the seeds and plant ten of them the next year, am I stealing from Montsanto?
If I build the exact same car as Ford, spending billions of dollars to manufacture my parts to their specs, did I commit grand theft auto? Cause I am pretty sure that is an implication of your stance... Is it wrong that I do think this is theft? Honda definately has the capability to build a Ford, and I certainly think if they do obtain the blueprints and make one that they have stolen. I am not talking about a huge corporation mass-producing an object, I am talking about people and fair use. If I spend vastly more time and effort to build my own version and I am not trying to profit off it, even if it turns out exactly the same, how is that stealing? In plant genetics especially, there are a lot of different ways to elicit a mutation you are looking for. If I take a different road to the same result, somehow I am stealing from the patent holder. Fuck that noise. |
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Which do you like best:
ballwa.com needs a consonant in the middle...
archdex.com like, the phone book?
derspo.com what did you call me, bro?
barkso.com dog facebook?
or
bordst.com that's that dish with beets, right?
I'm planning a forum, loosely "related" to bitcoin, but for all intents and purposes this will be a general talk forum. Think of something like something awful meets old school living with style. Anyway I want the domain to be short, pernounceable, and easy to remember. If you don't like any of my domain names feel free to suggest some.
I am not trying to rag on you at all here, just voicing my immediate thoughts on the options presented. Think about all the big players, and they are generally english words, established concepts and have a cadence to them...twitter, myspace, facebook. |
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To the FPGA guys here: Why is it 'rolled' and not 'furled'? It seems way more appropriate.
Because its always been unrolling loops. Ears are unfurled, loops are unrolled. And just because "it's always been that way", it's ok? You don't happen to live in Alabama, now, do you?  |
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So by your logic, absolutely ANY plant that I allow to reproduce sexually is a unique creation that I did the work on, and as such is my property and anyone who wants to grow my varietal should pay?
I think you don't understand the nature of genetic manipulation and plant breeding.
No. That is not my logic at all. You simply growing a plant does not alter the genetic code in any meaningful, intentional, or specific way. Yes, of course it is unique, as is all genetic code of every living plant and animal, however the "alteration" that occurs in your example is by natural mechanisms/processes beyond any control... evolution, if you will. My logic is that if the genetic code is intentionally altered to create a unique breed/variety that intentionally and materially alters any specific characteristics of that plant, such as yield, product quality, taste/flavor, longevity, enviromental survivability, resistances, etc, would be patentable and property of the developer, if they so choose. You still don't understand. People could do the same thing in a basement lab. Genetic modification is very easy in plants, not even requiring very expensive or serious lab equipment, and while you need to weed through a lot of phenotypes, you will get that patented Montsanto seed eventually. PS-Selective breeding is intentional manipulation of specific characteristics of the plant. Gregor Mendel. Google that shit. |
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4-6 weeks.  I had to do it.....I'm sorry...... Bad yochdog! That line is reserved for use by RandyFold's god- size presence (TM) only. Fixed that for ya... |
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I am not talking about roundup-ready crops, and the fertilizers and soil conditioners to be used in conjunction with RR have nothing to do with it. They hold thousands upon thousands of patents on plants that have never been cultivated outside a lab. Maybe I just want one that produces a higher concentration of oil per kernel than the regular old Burpee seed packets. I am talking about patented genetics...genetics that some may know as merely a store of information. You say that there are other sunflowers...yeah, there are over 10,000 Asteracea species, but I am not talking about them. I am talking about one.
Say I never take the seed...say I drop a cutting into my tissue culture hood and form my own plants from a small scraping. I do it regularly as a hobby. If I culture it, flower it, and harvest the fruit, how in the fuck can they still own it? Stealing involves something being taken, and not being available to the original owner anymore. Culturing, breeding, or copying, if you please, are not theft and cause no monetary loss.
If I build the exact same car as Ford, spending billions of dollars to manufacture my parts to their specs, did I commit grand theft auto? Cause I am pretty sure that is an implication of your stance...
I believe it would boil down to where you got the original cutting.. if you stole it form someone elses property, if it were given to you or yyou were allowed to take it, and if they had the right to give it to you or let you take it to begin with. If someone changes the genetic code of a naturally occurring plant, then patent that, its theirs. They did the work. They invested in the research and development. Its no different than someone taking the earths naturally occurring resources and manipulating them into the latest bleeding-edge "widget". If you use their patented method or product, you pay a royalty fee or invest in research and development and make your own. Making your own does not include stealing off someone else who invested time, money, and resources in my opinion. So by your logic, absolutely ANY plant that I allow to reproduce sexually is a unique creation that I did the work on, and as such is my property and anyone who wants to grow my varietal should pay? I think you don't understand the nature of genetic manipulation and plant breeding. |
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I'm going back into my timeout corner now.  Sam If you are good, we can have popcorn later!  (And eat it while reading threads filled with people arguing about which BIP is best!) I don't want to read anything that isn't unreadibly bolded. That's it. You're going to bed without your bacon wrapped hotdog. I'd rather die. |
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I know I know, but I think that might be someone that would be willing to help out, even small amounts help.
Also for someone703 I am 100% willing to spend my own money in this operation, but I am just getting started so it turns into a cycle of nothing happening.
-Windowsdefender
Then save up some money and spend 100% of it on your own shit. You really think that you earn trust by panhandling for ridiculously expensive computer gear? Anyone got a 16-core Opteron for me to benchmark for an unknown amount of time? |
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I'm going back into my timeout corner now. Sam If you are good, we can have popcorn later! (And eat it while reading threads filled with people arguing about which BIP is best!) I don't want to read anything that isn't unreadibly bolded. |
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Sorry, We all make mistakes, you realize that if you have the card already you can just change the software  and thanks, any small donation helps if you can lend even a portion of the total amount needed, it all adds up, so if you can donate please send it here 18gSLEawzBf1UtqMW2AJi7oJMto45Wc8th, also send your BTC address so I can eventually get it back to you guys. Thanks -Windowsdefender Man, a fifth grade teacher would probably hit you for this grammatical rape. I am not trying to troll you, but you've got to realize how ridiculous this is. Can you read? Then why do you need an FPGA in your hands to find out what is already well published? Can I borrow a thousand dollars to see if an ounce of cocaine gets me high? Just send me your bank account number, Social Security number and your passport so I can pay you back eventually. |
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Anyone who thinks anything that isn't currently in an autoclave is sterile is a simpleton. Fucking plantains? Sterile? I would say that it is more cruel to consume a fruit that has been cultivated so long that it can no longer reproduce sexually. If I ever met someone who practiced that level of being a pansy-ass vegan, I would be hard pressed not to drop a cinderblock on their head while they slept.
Also, how do they not die of malnourishment?
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Another retarded tinfoil hat conspiracy theory brought to you by 'the founder'...
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Wow. Ballsy. 2 posts, spelled FPGA wrong, admit you are broke, and want someone to loan you ~$400 to $600 for 6 to 9 months.
No I won't loan you the money but you are ballsy.
D&T, can you loan me 3x5970s to see if I can...uh...uh...use them for bitcoin mining? |
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This thread inspired me to fool with cgminer a bit. I used the config info from this thread and fixed it up for my purposes. Wow...I am friggin' impressed.
What I have found, though, is that it doesn't completely throttle to maintain the designated temperature. I ran it on a card that has a fan out and runs hot...~85-95c. I set the temp at 70 expecting the software to throttle the core to run at 70 and it worked for a while, but alas, when I left it for a few hours, it was running hot...
I am a little simple when it comes to command prompt stuff like this. I need my fat-american GUI. How can I verify that it is throttling as it should? I was hesitant to run another monitoring program with it after reading some stuff about ridiculous voltage spikes in some cards from running two sets of clocking tools.
heh Randy, i have a card that has several blades knocked off the 2 fan rotors. don't ask how. is it ok to run it anyway? how would u cool it? Since you probably can't get warranty service on it with the blades busted, I would probably just replace it/them. Fans are cheap, and it beats a fried card. That MSI TwinFrozr-II 6870 that I was referring to in my post above doesn't seem to overheat with only one of the two fans running, but who knows...it could be cooking the VRAM or something that I can't monitor as easily. It's under warranty still, so I didn't just swap the fan out...figure I can get a card that is less beat to hell by RMA'ing it. |
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This thread inspired me to fool with cgminer a bit. I used the config info from this thread and fixed it up for my purposes. Wow...I am friggin' impressed.
What I have found, though, is that it doesn't completely throttle to maintain the designated temperature. I ran it on a card that has a fan out and runs hot...~85-95c. I set the temp at 70 expecting the software to throttle the core to run at 70 and it worked for a while, but alas, when I left it for a few hours, it was running hot...
I am a little simple when it comes to command prompt stuff like this. I need my fat-american GUI. How can I verify that it is throttling as it should? I was hesitant to run another monitoring program with it after reading some stuff about ridiculous voltage spikes in some cards from running two sets of clocking tools.
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What I want to know is how this would affect aid recipients' ability to use medical cannabis? Obama said he wasn't going to fuck with state's rights regarding it, but alas, dispensaries in California (most poorly written cannabis law in the 15 states that have them) and Colorado (most solid cannabis law of those 15) are getting cease and desist letters from the DEA and getting raided damn near daily.
Typical federal government...kicking the most down-and-out...
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I am saying that you are some broke chump criticizing a fucking baller who rose to the top by providing a service that people want and stealing nothing.
Let me pose a question for you: If I take a Montsanto sunflower seed, grow it, harvest the seeds and plant ten of them the next year, am I stealing from Montsanto?
As to monsanto, you certainly would be breaking the law because they have patented their own "roundup-ready" seed products. They created them and they own them. To get them you must contract with monsanto to get them and the roundup fertilizer, or steal them. It's a system. Why anyone would want a monsanto seed without the fertilizer in unknown. Its kind of a rediculous proposition really. What would not be illegal is for you to buy your own non-monsanto seeds and live a full happy life farming with them. You can certainly obtain sunflower seeds that are not patented and genetically altered by monsanto, so I find the parallel you are trying to draw irrelevent. Now, if there ever comes a day when Monsanto, Cargill, Archer Daniels Midland, or any other agricultural conglomerate tried to patent a complete naturally-occurring plant species, then we have problems (like all sunflowers, etc). That said, agricultural conglomerates abuse the legal system in ways I do not think is right. They have taken to court farmers near customers of theirs whos plants have been cross polinated/contaminated by Monsanto products, genetically altering the next generation which they claim ownership of, subsiquently claiming basically theft. This has put many out of business because of the financial costs of lawsuits. This needs to stop and the agricultural conglomerates need to compensate them. Polination can not be controlled. Its part of the natural process and the cost of doing business if you are an agri-business selling modified patented seeds. I am not talking about roundup-ready crops, and the fertilizers and soil conditioners to be used in conjunction with RR have nothing to do with it. They hold thousands upon thousands of patents on plants that have never been cultivated outside a lab. Maybe I just want one that produces a higher concentration of oil per kernel than the regular old Burpee seed packets. I am talking about patented genetics...genetics that some may know as merely a store of information. You say that there are other sunflowers...yeah, there are over 10,000 Asteracea species, but I am not talking about them. I am talking about one. Say I never take the seed...say I drop a cutting into my tissue culture hood and form my own plants from a small scraping. I do it regularly as a hobby. If I culture it, flower it, and harvest the fruit, how in the fuck can they still own it? Stealing involves something being taken, and not being available to the original owner anymore. Culturing, breeding, or copying, if you please, are not theft and cause no monetary loss. If I build the exact same car as Ford, spending billions of dollars to manufacture my parts to their specs, did I commit grand theft auto? Cause I am pretty sure that is an implication of your stance... |
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