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441  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Setiap harga beli Bitcoin selalu menguntungkan on: January 11, 2024, 03:05:30 AM
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jadi sebenarnya dengan sedikit pemahaman saya tentang Bitcoin dan seberapa besar potensinya, saya rasa tidak ada waktu yang salah untuk berinvestasi pada Bitcoin karena betapapun terkadang harganya mungkin tetap berada di zona konsolidasi untuk beberapa waktu tetapi pasti akan naik.

tapi bagaimanapun saya ingin belajar dari member yang lebih tinggi apakah sebenarnya ada waktu yang salah untuk berinvestasi di Bitcoin?.
Secara keseluruhan saya setuju dengan pendapat agan. Karena jika melihat pada peluang dan juga potensi,bitcoin akan terus mengalami pertumbuhan harga yang sangat bagus. Tapi jika pertanyaan anda mengarah pada soal waktu pembelian yang kurang baik(salah) ataupun kurang maksimal dalam mendapatkan keuntungan,saya rasa ada beberapa waktu yang kurang tepat(tapi bukan salah).
Contohnya

  • Membeli di saat bitcoin sedang dalam mengalami kenaikan harga yang sangat tinggi. Seperti di saat menembus ATH atau keadaan pasar sedang bullish.¹
Mengapa saya menyebut pembelian di saat bitcoin mencapai ATH atau sedang dalam keadaan bullish itu kurang baik,itu karena setelah bitcoin mengalami kenaikan harga tersebut (ATH)bitcoin memiliki potensi untuk mengalami koreksi atau penurunan harga kembali. Jadi di saat hal tersebut terjadi jauhi FOMO dan tetap berpikir jernih agar tidak terjebak di dalam penurunan harga. Karena saya yakin tidak sedikit investor yang mengalami kerugian di saat harga bitcoin sedang mengalami kenaikan harga yang tinggi.

  • Kedua waktu yang salah untuk melakukan pembelian bitcoin, yaitu di saat menggunakan uang yang panas dan belum memiliki pengetahuan yang cukup tentang bitcoin. Menurut saya mau waktunya kapan,jika membeli bitcoin menggunakan uang panas,rasanya semua waktu bisa di bilang kurang baik.²
Karena saya rasa mayoritas investor bitcoin setuju, bahwa uang panas tidak di anjurkan untuk di jadikan modal untuk berinvestasi di bitcoin. Oleh sebab itulah semua waktu bisa di sebut kurang tepat jika berinvestasi di bitcoin dengan uang panas.

Tapi bagi investor bitcoin yang selalu menggunakan metode pembelian dengan DCA,waktu bukanlah hambatan untuk terus membeli bitcoin. Karena dengan menggunakan metode DCA harga bitcoin bukan menjadi patokan utama dalam melakukan pembelian. Jadi yang terpenting melakukan pembelian berkala dan pastinya menggunakan uang dingin.

Catatan: jadi nomer satu itu di khususkan untuk investor bitcoin yang berinvestasi dalam jangka yang pendek ataupun menengah.
442  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN]Stake.com Signature Campaign l Sr Members Only! on: January 11, 2024, 01:27:26 AM
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443  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Mentalitas yang kuat juga diperlukan dalam trading jangka panjang on: January 10, 2024, 11:33:22 PM
Benar gan, saya sependapat dengan agan bahwa seorang trader yang hanya mengandalkan mental tanpa dibarengi oleh ilmu yang cukup itu namanya nekat. Percuma saja nekat tetapi dia pasti bingung harus memulai dari mana karena memang tidak memiliki ilmu yang cukup. Oleh karena itu, seperti yang agan katakan tadi, seorang trader haru bisa mengkombinasikan antara mental yang kuat dan juga memiliki ilmu yang cukup agar menjadi seorang trader yang sukses.
Setuju yang om katakan memang harus di bekali dengan ilmu pengetahuan sebelum masuk di dunia trading, akan tetapi seseorang yang sudah di bekali pengalaman pun atau mengerti chart candle terkadang suka melenceng dari ekspetasi yang di inginkan tetapi minim dalam kehilangan uang nya karena mereka meminimalisir dengan memakai TP or SL. Setau aja Trading dalam jangka panjang itu memang mempunyai resiko yang amat besar bukan hanya resiko mental dan psikologis siap ilang duit harus di perhitungan. Ya namanya nyolong atau nyuil dollar di market harus ada resiko di dalamnya.
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Di dalam dunia trading,mentalitas,pengetahuan dan juga pengalaman memang sangat penting untuk selalu di miliki. Karena ketiga faktor tersebut adalah faktor pendukung untuk meminimalisir segala resiko dan untuk mendapatkan hasil yang lebih maksimal. Jadi jika salah satu faktor tersebut tidak ada,saya yakin hasil dari tradingnya akan kurang maksimal. Apalagi kalau yang hilang itu pengetahuan nya,sudah pasti pada akhirnya akan menghadapi kebuntuan di dalam tradingnya.

Seperti yang di katakan oleh agan @nn@_pen9 terkadang para trader yang sudah ahli ataupun sudah menguasai segala faktor pun bisa saja melenceng. Jadi apalagi trader yang hanya memiliki modal nekat. Kemungkinan tidak akan bertahan lama di dalam tradingnya.

Intinya saya juga setuju dengan pendapat agan @bot1 dan agan @nn@_pen9
444  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [LOG] List Rank Up Member Indonesia (Member - Legendary) on: January 10, 2024, 02:52:15 PM
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Oh hari ini saya melihat Mas Gallar juga sudah naik peringkat ke Sr, Jadi saya juga mau ngucapin selamat kepada Mas Gallar. Dan saya pribadi merasa bahwa Mas Gallar ini secara kualitas lebih baik daripada saya. Semoga dengan naik peringkat ini Mas Gallar bisa lebih bersemangat dan tetap konsisten dengan kualitas tulisannya yang saya pikir cukup luar biasa.

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Selamat ya gan@galar anda sudah menjadi Sr.member ya anda layak naik peringkat gan@galar semoga saya juga bisa menyusul anda untuk naik ke Sr.member.

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Congrats juga buat agan @Gallar, dan semoga cepat menyusul untuk agan @jcojci ke Full Member
Termia kasih semuanya (agan @Arenga pinnata agan @Solokan agan @Pytagoraz)atas dukungan dan ucapan selamatnya. Saya sangat bersyukur karena saat ini saya sudah bisa naik ke peringkat senior. Meskipun membutuhkan waktu yang cukup lama,tapi atas dukungan para member semua (terutama para member SFI) serta doa dan kerja keras yang saya jalankan selama ini meskipun perlahan pada akhirnya membuahkan hasil yang sangat baik.

Dan dari titik ini, saya sudah mempunyai tujuan baru, yaitu agar bisa menembus ke peringkat Hero. Jadi saya akan terus berusaha semaksimal mungkin untuk bisa berkontribusi di forum ini(terutama di SFI) dengan lebih maksimal. Dan untuk agan @Solokan dan agan @Pytagoraz semoga cepat nyusul ke peringkat Senior. Lalu untuk agan @Arenga pinnata,tetap semangat dan semoga tahun ini agan bisa menembus peringkat Hero.

Bersulang🍻
445  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: January 10, 2024, 02:28:29 PM
I see the recent market moving quite well in fact we are in a good enough rally to see quite a significant increase. Well, I missed out on some recent purchases because the fees were quite expensive so I didn't open the market in the last few days.

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Bitcoin transaction fees have not yet fallen, this is a bit of an obstacle for bitcoin investors, especially for bitcoin investors who always do DCA. Moreover, the amount of money that is always collected is not too large. Of course, with high transaction costs, we are forced to postpone purchases for a while until transaction costs are cheap again. But even so, there is no need to worry. Although currently our weekly or monthly accumulation is a little hampered. But you will still get the plus points.

Because with expensive bitcoin transaction fees, you will definitely continue to accumulate money to invest in larger amounts of bitcoin. This means that after a few months you collect money and invest it in Bitcoin, the results will still be the same. And your past weekly or monthly DCA schedule will be covered. Apart from that, the advantage is that transaction fees will feel cheaper than if they were accumulated once a week, once every two weeks, or once a month.

So if you think deeper, Bitcoin transaction fees are expensive or cheap, it's the same, because DCA will still function well.
Because the difference only lies in the matter of accumulation time and nominal amount of money.

But apart from that, actually when Bitcoin transaction fees are expensive, purchases can still be made. But maybe the risk is that for a while the bitcoin will be stored on the exchange until there are a lot of them or the transaction fees are cheap again. However, I do not recommend this, because this action has a higher level of risk.
446  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [Challenge] Posting Karya Seni Tentang Bitcoin & Indonesia on: January 09, 2024, 10:37:09 PM
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Pemenang:
#1 armanda90 - 7
#2 Gallar - 7
#3 TopT3ns - 6

Karena skor #1 & #2 sama, maka ane bertindak sebagai juri terakhir (tie breaker). Selamat kepada para pemenang.
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Terima kasih kepada agan @mu_enrico yang sudah menyelenggarakan kontes/Challenge ini dengan sangat baik. Saya berharap semoga kedepannya agan bisa menyelenggarakan kontes/Challenge seperti ini lagi dan pesertanya bisa lebih banyak.
Saya selaku partisipan sangat menikmati challenge ini.

Selain itu saya juga berterima kasih kepada para anggota SFI yang sudah ngevote saya. Dan selamat juga kepada agan @armanda90 dan @TopT3ns yang sama-sama memenangkan Challenge ini. Smiley
447  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: January 08, 2024, 11:21:58 PM
Benzema first season with Al Ittihad did not go quite smoothly, it could even be said that he needed time to adapt to his new team. But his presence in the Al Ittihad team is a guide for Al Ittihad players because he is a player full of experience and last season he won the ballon dor. I think he just needs time to be able to give his best to the Al Ittihad team. Al Ittihad is in 7th place in the standings and they are quite far behind the first place team.

I think there is no big target for the Al Ittihad team this season because they will not be able to catch up again after being quite far behind Al Hilal as the top of the standings. As defending champions this season, of course they experienced a drastic decline in their performance this season. Maybe some fans are disappointed because benzema presence was not able to make Al Ittihad stronger this season, but that must be understood because he needs time to adapt to the game of the Saudi Arabian league team.
I would say that was a shocking one to me to be fair. I did not expect him to have such issues, I mean I could definitely see him have trouble on the field, that part is not a shocker and he doesn't need to be doing all that crazy, but that doesn't mean that I expected him to have trouble off the field neither, I think it should be something that would not be all that easy to adapt when it comes to regular life.

If he had trouble with just football, then he could keep playing and eventually he will get adapt to it, but if he is having trouble adjusting to life there? That may not be all that easy to handle, it would definitely be a trouble and needs to be something that could get a lot better and he needs to figure out a way to get adapt there.
Since Benzema joined Al Ittihad, his true performance has not been seen until now. Maybe the reason why Benzema's performance is less than optimal and Al Ittihad could drop in ranking, in my opinion there are several factors that influence it. One of them

  • Benzema really needs to adapt to all the players and coaches.
  • Apart from that, Benzema doesn't seem to have found a suitable teammate for him
  • This season's Saudi Arabian League competition is drastically different from last season (because many top European players have joined SPL clubs)

Perhaps it is because of this factor that Benzema has not shown his best abilities and Al Ittihad has been pushed to 7th place. However, Benzema is currently in fifth place on the top scorer list. So it could be said that with teammates who lack chemistry with him and with a coach who is also not good, Benzema can still score goals.
So you can imagine that at Al Ittihad he had playmates with whom he had good chemistry, a coach who was close to him and managed to adapt completely. I'm sure the performance will be much better.
448  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] Duelbits.com | Signature Campaign ~ Full Members+ | Up to $70/Week on: January 08, 2024, 11:06:18 PM
Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3500874
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EARNED merit in the last 120 days: 119

Because I have just been promoted to a senior rank. So, if accepted, I am willing to accept full member rank payment.
449  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: El Salvador has become the first country to make #Bitcoin legal tender! 🇸🇻 on: January 07, 2024, 02:27:39 PM
In 2015, El Salvador had 6656 homicides and one of highest murder rates out of all the countries in the world

In 2022, President @nayibbukele’s campaign against organized crime had managed to decrease the figure to 496 homicides

El Salvador just closed 2023 with 154 homicides!
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Nayib Bukele is indeed a very wise president and can also be said to be great at making decisions. Because during his leadership he has made major changes for El Salvador, including reducing the crime rate and legalizing bitcoin.

However, it seems that bringing up the topic of the crime rate that occurs in El Salvador on this topic seems a bit inappropriate. Because as the title suggests, this thread discusses the legalization of bitcoin which occurred in El Salvador. So even though the direction is still towards Nayib Bukele and El Salvador. But if the discussion is not about bitcoin, in my opinion the post can be said to be off topic.

Koreski if I'm wrong
450  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: January 07, 2024, 02:07:53 PM
Some people are very funny they have plans to invest in bitcoin but they prefer to speculate and see if they can get to a price of their choice before buying, forgetting that the longer you wait, the less bitcoin you will have in your portfolio. Watching the market is only to discourage you from getting started because you wil think that it is not yet the right time.

It is better to get yourself occupied with accumulating and growing your bitcoin portfolio with DCA method regularly and also think of other method that will help based on your cash inflow, rather than speculating on other investors profit and loss. The market is open to welcome new investors at all time so don't be a waiter but an investor.
When someone only has plans to be able to invest in Bitcoin of course they have to start doing it, don't just plan and never start, if we wait until the price is low in our opinion before buying it of course we will never be able to buy it and it will be very detrimental if we couldn't collect any of it.
What you say is very right, it would be better for us to continue to develop our Bitcoin portfolio using the DCA method and also we will continue to buy it with the amount we can afford, anyone can invest in Bitcoin using this method and we must focus on ourselves and never care other people's losses.
Actually, there is no harm in doing analysis before buying bitcoin. However, if the analysis takes too long to make you hesitate when making a purchase, I think the action is a bit excessive. Because for example the analysis is good and thorough, but in the end you hesitate when making a purchase (procrastinate), most likely the end result will not be good. So the solution is just to analyze Bitcoin well, then after that make a purchase with the money that has been prepared (cold money) and don't think too much which makes your mind anxious.

Besides, I think having a habit like that is also a bit bad. Because I am of the view that if bitcoin investors have a habit of delaying purchases, there are several factors surrounding these investors.

  • It could be because the person is too greedy in seeking profit
  • Using hot money
  • Short term investors
  • or also beginners who are just starting to invest.

But basically I also don't blame people like that. Because after all it is their money, their decisions and every decision that comes out is their right. But this is a lesson for me as well as for anyone who doesn't understand this yet. In fact, delaying purchases when investing in bitcoin is not a good thing.

And DCA is indeed a good solution to this problem. Because if I buy bitcoin with the DCA strategy, what I experience is that I enjoy the investment process more. Because I don't need to be confused about when to buy bitcoin (because it has been determined from the start) and I'm not afraid of missing out on cheap prices (because the goal is not for a short time). So if you invest in Bitcoin with a DCA strategy, everything becomes more focused and directed very neatly.
451  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [LOG] List Rank Up Member Indonesia (Member - Legendary) on: January 06, 2024, 12:50:27 PM
Mas yang satu ini benar-benar luar biasa perolehan Meritnya benar-benar membuat saya kagum. Semangat Mas nunggui aktivitasnya. Beberapa pengguna disini ternyata banyak yang hebat. Soalnya Jumlah Meritnya bisa mengalahkan jumlah aktivitasnya. Sudah kayak balapan saja Mas itu Aktivitas dan Merit.   Grin
Yok bantuin teman kita Arenga pinnata,

cuman selangkah lagi untuk bisa mencapai level Sr Member, setelah mendapatkan tamabahan poin merit dari fillippone saya juga ikut membantu sekedar kemampuan saya, mudah2an besok atau lusa bisa naik ke level Senior Member dan bersaing dengan @Hanadawa untuk mendapatkan promosi slot ke Sr Member di signature yang sedang di ikuti.

Wah ternyata agan arenga saat ini sudah berhasil naik ke peringkat SR. Selamat untuk kenaikan peringkat nya gan. Semoga setelah ini saya bisa lebih termotivasi lagi untuk terus berkontribusi baik di forum ini(terutama di SFi). Agar secepatnya saya juga bisa naik peringkat.

Intinya selamat untuk agan Arenga pinnata yang sudah berhasil naik peringkat. Dan agan memang sangat pantas untuk bisa naik peringkat. 🎉
452  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: January 04, 2024, 03:33:37 PM
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Now those who continue to apply the DCA strategy and do Buy the DIP, and HODL have felt the benefits quite clearly because Bitcoin has exceeded the price of $45K even though it has now returned to $42K with slow movement. But I am also quite sure that the price movement to $45K is still quite open for Bitcoin because this year is still a pretty good year for Bitcoin and its holders.

If I invest for the long term I will never care about the price of Bitcoin. That's why don't worry I am investing by following DCA method regularly, since it will be a long term investment so it will not depend on where the market will go. Only I will make sure that I continue my investment in DCA method. If I think about the benefits then surely greed will work inside me, and because of greed I may decide to sell my bitcoins, but the decision to sell bitcoins will be wrong. So I will never accept such a plan. 
I will invest my bitcoin for long term and that is in DCA method.

I agree with you, friend. A bitcoin investor who truly invests in the long term and uses the DCA technique in his purchases, does not need to think about the current market price of bitcoin. Because if you think deeper, when bitcoin investors do DCA, it seems as if they are continuing towards a predetermined goal. Therefore, to achieve this goal successfully, it means that bitcoin investors (who carry out DCA) must not stop or be influenced by anything in the process of their journey. Because if a bitcoin investor stops or is affected by it, he will definitely fail and have to start again from zero on his journey (DCA).
And the influence I mean here is the bitcoin market price which is currently experiencing an increase.

But to be honest, fighting this influence is not easy. Because I have the assumption that most bitcoin investors basically have the goal of seeking profits as quickly as possible. Meaning, "when there is an opportunity to make a profit, why delay or pass it up?" Therefore, when the bullish market ends/subsides, usually the price of bitcoin always experiences a significant price decline. Well, this is bound to happen because many Bitcoin investors are selling their assets. That's why the price of bitcoin has decreased.
Therefore, I assume many bitcoin investors tend to take profits when the opportunity arises.

However, bitcoin investors who carry out DCA with the correct essence. I am sure, they will not be affected by the market value of bitcoin (up or down). Because they already had a strong goal from the start. So that when they are carrying out the DCA process, they will not be deterred. And maybe you are one example, friend.
453  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [LOG] List Rank Up Member Indonesia (Member - Legendary) on: January 03, 2024, 02:14:35 PM
Congratulation

Selamat untuk agan Hanadawa yang sudah berhasil menembus peringkat SR. Semoga agan terus konsisten dan terus melangkah ke peringkat selanjutnya.

Ane selaku member dari SFI ikut bangga kepada agan yang sudah bisa selangkah maju dari ane. Semoga saja ane juga bisa cepat nyusul ke peringkat SR sama seperti agan.  Cheesy

Dan semoga sig yang agan tempati saat ini terus maju serta memiliki jangka yang sangat panjang.
454  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: January 03, 2024, 12:18:17 PM

We also cannot force them not to invest in shitcoins because each person decides to choose their investment. If they are still comfortable investing in altcoins, they will continue to do so even though it will be difficult for them to choose the altcoin because there are many altcoins on the market.
Before investing in Altcoins
DYOR!
Before investing in Shitcoins
DYOR!!
Before investing in Bitcoin
Buy Dip,& Waiting For Bullrun.

Investing in Bitcoin is risk free, but investing in other altcoins does involve risk. Shitcoins are hyped in the market and once dumped from that market, there is no chance of going back. But once invested in Bitcoin, there is a good chance that Bitcoin will go back to the previous market even after the market dumping.
In general, I really agree with your opinion. However, there are some of your opinions which, in my personal view, are a bit inaccurate. One of them is about your opinion which says that bitcoin has no risk In my opinion, this opinion is a bit inaccurate, even though Bitcoin is indeed a superior and best crypto asset among other crypto assets. However, Bitcoin still has risks that we must continue to be aware of. Even though the risk is very minimal or small, a risk is still a risk and we must not forget this risk. So in conclusion, if you say Bitcoin has no risk, then that opinion is not true. However, in my opinion, a more accurate opinion is that Bitcoin has little risk compared to other crypto assets.

Apart from that, you also said, if you want to invest in bitcoin
Buy, DIP, and wait for the bull market.
This opinion is basically very correct, but I personally think there is no harm in adding DYOR to these words. Because even though Bitcoin does have a regular cycle every four years. However, there is no harm in carrying out independent analysis, because independent analysis in an investment is very important and this also applies to bitcoin investments. So the point is that you always have to be careful and alert, even if the asset you invest in is Bitcoin. Because no one knows what the bitcoin market will be like in the future. For this reason, independent and careful analysis is needed, in order to further minimize the worst risks that could occur.
455  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [Challenge] Posting Karya Seni Tentang Bitcoin & Indonesia on: January 02, 2024, 03:20:47 PM
Ijin ikut meramaikan juga gan. Walaupun sederhana tapi lumayan lah. Grin

456  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: January 02, 2024, 07:58:26 AM
I first started with a very small amount of money to invest in Bitcoin. I once decided to borrow $1000 from my family to invest in Bitcoin but later changed my mind.I changed that decision to the fact that I am connected to a job and get a certain amount of money from it every week I invest a day of money from it in bitcoins. I do masonry work from which I get fixed amount money every week. I take one day's worth of money I get every week from this masonry job and invest it in bitcoins. That is 5 dollars worth of bitcoins, that is 20 dollars worth of bitcoins per month. I am trying to invest in dollar cost averaging (DCA) method every month.

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The decision you took was very correct. Especially regarding the loan you wanted to take, but was ultimately cancelled. Because investing in bitcoin with borrowed money is very risky. Whether it's borrowing from family or from the bank, everything is very risky. Because investments like Bitcoin can be said to have to start with very cold money. So, it is better to invest with the money you have, even with a small nominal amount, rather than investing with large amounts of money but the money is the result of loans, aka hot money.

Because we never know what Bitcoin will be like in the future. Even if you look at the current analysis, Bitcoin does have enormous potential to continue to experience growth. However, it would be very wise if we as bitcoin investors invest very carefully and reduce the risks.

So I totally agree with the decision you made in your bitcoin investment. Even if you invest a not too large amount every week (DCA). However, the money you use is really cold money that you can invest in a relaxed manner and you can prepare for the worst possibility (money will decrease/loss). And by consistently doing DCA every week, you will definitely enjoy the results in the future. So don't ever think that you are investing in Bitcoin with a small amount. Because as the saying goes, little by little over time it will become a hill. So you have to remain consistent, friend.
457  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: December 31, 2023, 04:52:52 AM
The whole point of investment is to get good return. Any investment is of no use if it cant benefit the investor. I have an opinion that don't wait till your 60's to start using your funds. Use them when you have energy in your body.
What will be use of a million dollar in your 60's when you can't move freely and have different odds with your health. Try to use your investment when you are young and have energies. Driving lamborgani is your 30's or 40's is more
Of course there are exceptions and have people in 60's and 70's that have good health, they can take the chance of using funds in later part of age.
Just my opinion.
Perhaps you are right but however each individuals or rather an investors has there objective, purpose and plans on why they intend to invest on Bitcoin because there people who are very wealthy that they can be able to acquire more than 20 Bitcoin without being affected on there financial state and perhaps such a person could decide to invest that much on Bitcoin and not because he intend to use the investment to buy one big stuff or the other but instead they invest the money for there family to have a better life when he is no more, so perhaps we cannot advise somebody with that motive to sell his investment all because of pleasure.
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I personally also agree that investment results (bitcoin/or other assets) will be better if enjoyed when you are still young and your body is in good health. But returning to each person, all bitcoin investors definitely have different investment intentions. It may be true, some people are able to buy 20 bitcoins without disrupting their assets. So it makes sense if these assets are planned for their children or grandchildren. Because rich people have personal finances that are very sufficient for themselves, without having to touch the profits from the bitcoin investment.

However, it's a different story if those who invest in Bitcoin are people who are not very rich (middle/lower middle class). Certainly more or less of these people want to feel the benefits of their investment. Because from the start the investment was planned to be felt and enjoyed by himself and his family. So in general it is not intended to be inherited.

Therefore, when talking about investors (bitcoin) the answers will definitely be different. Because all investors definitely have different intentions, different desires, and different goals in carrying out their investments. So basically all bitcoin investors have personal rights and opinions.
458  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 31, 2023, 04:28:37 AM
Fulham Vs Arsenal
Today, Fulham face Arsenal at Craven Cottage. Fulham have lost three matches in a row, especially the 2-0 defeat at home to Burnley last time, which gave them a big blow. Arsenal have a golden opportunity today to go top of the points table but they already got this opportunity at home. Especially at home on Thursday, Arsenal missed the opportunity to go top of the table with a 2-0 defeat at home to West Ham. Whether Arsenal can return to the top is a little questionable as Arsenal have won just two of their last six away matches. But I think Arsenal can come back and win the match 2-1.
Well, maybe this is the time for Arsenal to prove that they deserve to be in first place. The reason is that the match against Fulham probably won't be too difficult for Arsenal to get 3 points so they can jump to 1st place, even though it might only be for a short time. The reason is that currently Aston Villa and Liverpool have both collected 42 points.

So even though in the next match Arsenal can win the match against Fulham and manage to occupy first place, perhaps the deciding factor will be until Livervool faces Newcastle. If, for example, Livervool can beat Newcastle, then Arsenal's position could be shifted again. However, if for example Livervool lose to Newcastle, Arsenal can breathe a little easier.

But the point is that Bukayo Saka and his friends must be able to win the match against Fulham, whatever the score. The reason is, this might be the best opportunity for Arsenal to shift Liverpool from the top of the standings.
459  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 31, 2023, 03:40:47 AM
If Udinese could play like this, why didn't they play like this throughout the season? They dominate the whole match against Bologna. The ball is in Bologna's side, but it is Udinese that makes the dangerous attacks. Possession of the ball is not everything, there are still those who haven't learned this. Udinese will avoid the relegation zone with this win. They shouldn't have been in those places anyway, they are a much better team. They shouldn't have to worry about relegation.

Sometimes there are moments where each team can control the match well the problem is that moment doesn't come every time, I consider this just a lucky day for Udinese as well as the 2nd win so far from 18 matches imagine how bad they played but somehow Udinese managed to win today, we can't expect too much from a club like Udinese. Oh yes Udinese is fighting to stay away from relegation with this win at least they are a little safer.
This season, Udinese only won 2 wins from the 18 matches they played. But don't forget, the draw record is also very large. With 11 draws and only 5 losses. I think with a record like that, for a team like Udinese it could be said to be quite good. The reason is, a team like Fiorentina, which is currently in 4th place, also has the same record of losing 5 times.
Therefore, I think Udinese is also a team to watch out for.

Because according to my observations, if you think about it more deeply, a record of 11 draws means that Udinese in those 11 matches has a chance of winning the match. That's why Udinese is worth considering.

The reason is now proven, Bologna had to swallow the bitter pill of their defeat to Udinese. Even though Bologna controlled the pace of the match, they were still unable to penetrate Udinese's defense. So it has been proven that Udinese is not a careless team.
And in my opinion, if Udinese strengthened its central midfielders more, I think the game would be even better.
460  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: December 31, 2023, 12:37:20 AM
I thought Al Nassr would win, they scored 3 goals and are leading the match. However, the interesting thing is that Ronaldo had no influence on these 3 goals. Ronaldo neither scored a goal nor made an assist. The goals came from midfielders and defenders. In fact, this situation reveals what quality feet Al Nassr has. They get 3 points with 3 goals from an important away game. They can win even if Ronaldo doesn't affect the score. Of course, without Ronaldo, the viewing rates of the matches may be different (lower).
There is no doubt that Al Nassr has already win the match because it will not be easy for Al Taawoun to comeback and take the lead within the added minutes. Al Nassr will have added more goal to make it four before the final minute of the game without Ronaldo in the team, this show that the team is good without Ronaldo.
It was a huge win for Al Nassr tonight as they continued their good away performance. Their hit man, Cristiano Ronaldo did not fail to join the goal scorers as he closed the scoring at the 92nd minutes to end the match at one goal to four in their favour. Despite this win , Al Nasrr is still lagging behind the top team Al Hilal by seven points. It is not clear if this season is settled for Al Hilal because external matches have a way of making big teams lose focus and Al Hilal is famous for that. Al Nassr just need to continue winning their matches and hope their greatest rival flops to reduce the gap between them.
Even though in that match Ronaldo was only able to score one goal at the end of the second half, his contribution was still big. The reason is that Ronaldo occasionally always provides breakthrough passes to his teammates.

However, with the win in this match, Al Nasr still has a long way to go to compete with or overtake Al Hilal from the top of the standings. Because the point difference is quite large (7 points). Even though it feels a bit heavy, it is not impossible that Al Nasr can overtake Al Hilal. However, there may be several conditions so that Al Nasr can occupy the top of the standings.

The first condition is that Al Hilal must lose at least two matches this season.

The second condition is that Al Nasr must not suffer a single defeat. Because if Al Nasr experiences one defeat, the difference in points with Al Hilal will be even greater.


In my opinion, these two conditions are the most important, because considering that currently Al Hilal has not been defeated at all, Al Nasr must be able to continue winning matches, so that Al Nasr's potential to occupy the top position is not too far away.




And the upcoming match doesn't look like it will be too difficult for Al Nasr. The reason is that if you look at the meeting record between the two teams, Al Nasr is far superior to Al Fateh with 4 wins and one draw.
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