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441  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: February 13, 2017, 09:12:40 PM
Digital Assets Management Platform has undergone extensive testing ever since its launch in December 2016, with our whole team tirelessly working to perfect the platform for the public launch. There are currently 10 test users operating with ICNX, which is at the moment worth around 30k USD.

Can somebody please explain the difference between Open Fund Management (OPM) Platform that we have been talking about for months and Digital Assets Management (DAM) Platform discussed today?

Oh, yeah....one more thing.....

I...AM...HODLING!
442  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: February 10, 2017, 12:01:00 PM
Looks like lot of veteran ICN members like "Mr President" have sold their ICN & left already.
There's gonna be lot of bag holders once another large whale decides to take a big dump.



I...AM...HODLING !!!
443  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: February 07, 2017, 12:16:50 PM
Where can i find information about ICN fund ?

Page 1 of this thread.
444  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: February 07, 2017, 11:04:17 AM


THIS IS WHY I...AM...HODLING !!!
445  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: February 06, 2017, 03:34:28 PM
Is this coin below ICO price yet?
ICO price was 10.68 cents - 10,682,516.42 USD invested in 100,000,000 coins. 15% of the coins are for devs. Biggest EU ICO. Now is ... figure it out.
I disagree with people who says that ICO price should be 15% on top of this.

Sigh.  No, no, no.  Let me explain this correctly again.  Go look at coinmarketcap.com - there are only 87M ICN tokens in circulation.  The ICO funds raised did not and have not gone towards either the ownership or the pricing of the separate pot of dev tokens.

Investors put in $10,682,515.42 USD to purchase 85 million ICN at a cost of 10,682,515.42 / 85,000,000 = $0.1257 each.  The ICONOMI team put 15 million additional ICN aside in various pots (founder bonus, bounty, etc) and paid ZERO USD for their ICN.  These 15M ICN had an IMPLIED value of $0.1257 also, but nobody really knew WHAT any ICN was worth on the open market until the token hit Kraken.   The answer turned out to be a steady rise to the $0.4512 USD price listed today on http://coinmarketcap.com representing a 0.4512/0.1257 = 3.6X increase in value of ICN in the past four months since the end of ICO.  

If you look at coinmarketcap.com, they list only 87M ICN in circulation - the investor/donator ICO amunt of 85M plus 2M in released bounties.  The remaining 13M ICN in the hands of developers are locked down for (I think) six months after ICO until platform release.  These dev tokens have yet to be priced.  

Consider the day these extra 13M tokens are unlocked and considered part of the total circulation.  Either the value at Kraken will drop by 15% (because there are suddenly 100/87 = 1.15X more "inflationary" coins in circulation) or, if the value at Kraken holds steady, the market cap at coinmarketcap.com will jump 15%.  It all depends if ICONOMI is seen as strong or week at that time.

PRICE/VALUE OF THE 13M DEV TOKENS IS DECIDED BY KRAKEN TRADERS IN THE FUTURE, NOT BY ICO INVESTORS IN THE PAST.

Bottom line: the launch price of ICN was 0.1257 USD per ICN.
446  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: February 05, 2017, 02:49:54 PM
So what is the unrealized profit up to now?

I have asked jani on Reddit to track and publish this number daily - no response.  It is a vital feature that needs to be incorporated into ICONOMI and OFM as soon as possible.  Unrealized profit is a critical fundamental support factor for the daily ICN token value.
447  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹[ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption with SmartBridge🔹 on: February 04, 2017, 01:45:23 AM
So...can we get a final tally on how much BTC and Lisk were collected after refunds, and how many ARK coins will be issued at launch in exchange for those funds?  And what is the breakdown between paid-for coins, bonus/bounty/reward give-away coins, and coins held back by the ARK foundation?
448  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: February 02, 2017, 07:02:23 PM

I think they are brilliant to use TaaS as their brand name - "Token as a Service" - and if they are lucky it will become as universal as Kleenex or Xerox.  However, it is also a play on words for the famous Soviet / Russian news service.  Not so sure that Russians have the trust level by the public required to become the top dogs in the crypto finance world.  But it shows that ICONOMI has a good idea.  Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

ICONOMI has first mover advantage and let's hope that turns out to be enough.  
449  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: February 02, 2017, 06:49:27 PM
Hi - I am invested in Iconomi in the initial crowdsale but I didn't realise there were dividends until now.
Can you tell me who is elligible to receive these (is there a threshold investment?) and how / when are they paid out?

Thanks


All holders of more than 42 ICN will receive dividends that should be 100% of all fees gathered by the OFM platform and 20% of profits gained from the ICNX and ICNP funds.  These numbers may vary and are not yet set in stone.  They will be paid out as ICONOMI gathers fees and profits, which may be several months away.  

God, I love that movie.  It left me so pumped that I went back and saw it again on the very next night when it came out almost 30 years ago.  If you've never seen it, what are you waiting for?

450  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: February 02, 2017, 06:43:27 PM
Wow, Byteball is mooning

Publicly-known ICONOMI.performance holdings:

5M GNT: ($124.4k current value) - ($51.3 invested) = $73.0k unrealized profit

4222 GBYTE: ($473.8k current value) - ($0 invested) = $473.8k unrealized profit

Total unrealized profit = $546.8k

Estimated unrealized dividends for ICN holders: ($546.8k)×0.20 = $109.4k


That's $3.50 unrealized dividends per 3200 ICN, and ICNX + platform aren't even launched yet.


*20% performance fee is just an estimate, not officially announced yet

No. No. No and No. Jesus Lord.

It can be profit only when will sold. Right now nobody will not sold anything. Just forget for ANY dividends for next 1.5 years. First year will be something like 0.15 ETH per 10k ICN for 12 month.

This is an excellent calculation of UNREALIZED profit that should show up as a FUNDAMENTALS PRICE BOOST for ICN.   The more pots of money that ICN racks up that is does not cash out immediately as profits to make dividend payments, the higher and higher ICN's value goes up - and its price even higher, by a speculation / FOMO factor.

I AM HODLING!
451  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: February 02, 2017, 01:24:05 PM
Competition is incoming!

http://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/innovation/taas-developing-bloomberg-like-cryptocurrency-portfolio-management-platform/
452  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: February 01, 2017, 11:32:38 PM
Another interesting article about crypto financial services.

https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-companies-legally-operate-switzerland/
453  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: February 01, 2017, 03:27:18 PM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-31/those-who-say-bitcoin-has-no-intrinsic-value-need-imbibe-gospel-true-education

Key point:  The number of Bitcoin wallets have gone from 6M to 12M during the past year, and this is likely to give BTC an overwhelming advantage over any competing alternative cryptocoin.

Somebody needs to introduce the author Reggie Middleton to ICONOMI when the platform is released.

Man you are in this thread for some time. Have not you read or got to a conclusion yourself that ICONOMI is not a cryptocoin. It is an asset token run on ETH asset platform.

Maybe you dont understand what cryptocoin like Bitcoin is. So let me put parallels with old economy.

token assets like ICONOMI is like a stock or a share.
cryptocoin like Bitcoin is like a $.

LOL.  I understand everything you are saying and have since ICONOMI was first announced.  Thanks for going over it again for other readers who are still learning, tho.  I summarized the conclusion of the article as a TL;DR.  The reason I posted it is because the guy who wrote it, Reggie Middleton, is guiding the crypto investments of others.  He is a natural to introduce ICONOMI to other fiat investors that are just getting into crypto.  But first he needs to be introduced to ICONOMI.  And I will make sure he hears about it once the OFM is released.
454  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: February 01, 2017, 01:46:31 PM
New All Time High (ATH),  ICN now has a market cap over $35M.

I AM HOLDING!



455  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: February 01, 2017, 11:34:20 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-31/those-who-say-bitcoin-has-no-intrinsic-value-need-imbibe-gospel-true-education

Key point:  The number of Bitcoin wallets have gone from 6M to 12M during the past year, and this is likely to give BTC an overwhelming advantage over any competing alternative cryptocoin.

Somebody needs to introduce the author Reggie Middleton to ICONOMI when the platform is released.
456  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers on: January 31, 2017, 02:24:31 AM
LISK Awareness Bitcointalk Signature Campaign
is well underway....Huge THANK_YOU to all whom are participating in this important project.

Please help us Bolster Lisk awareness and attract new users!
send donations to 5314981763917565789L (3 of 6 multisig account)

The signature campaign is open to full members and above whom have never forged lisk on mainnet.
Come sign up and join us for launch on Feb 6th!

edit:    Only 3 qualified signups so far...  and the pot is still growing until Feb 6th!  Don't let this opportunity pass you by!

Happy Birthday Liskers... See you at the community meeting Feb 11th!

I have kicked in 1000 Lisk to this project.  With your winning entry, that could end up in YOUR account.   Good luck!
457  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: January 30, 2017, 02:46:48 PM
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/29/bitcoin-wallet-approval-in-switzerland/

"Xapo has received "conditional approval" for running its bitcoin wallet service from the country <Switzerland>. It'll have to participate in a self-regulatory organization and meet other unspecified terms, but it won't have to secure a banking license. As of now, it's classified as a financial go-between.
 
 Xapo was likely helped by its insistence that it doesn't take deposits. The firm adds that it won't serve American customers, potentially due to legal uncertainty surrounding bitcoin.

The approval isn't coming completely out of the blue. Switzerland plays a key role in the financial community, and it has been aggressively courting bitcoin operations in a bid to future-proof itself. Nonetheless, the legal footing granted here is important. It opens the door to other wallet businesses that want to use Switzerland as a home base, and could set an example for other countries to follow."

458  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers on: January 27, 2017, 10:13:05 PM
Quote from: MalReynolds

You don't have to report on how you spend the money in Germany that you transfer to yourself from your $10M Swiss non-profit organization.


That's a pretty nasty insinuation from someone like you... very surprising & disappointing at the same time.

I meant the word "you" in a generic rather than personal sense referring to Max specifically.  I should have picked different words.  I am too much of a pot-stirrer, even my wife says so.  Probably I should scale back on reading so many conspiracy theories in Zero Hedge....nah.  

I actually trust Max and Oliver from a personal standpoint not to do anything shady with the Lisk treasury.  I just thought Lisk was going to operate under the transparency rules of a non-profit organization, and this PR release seems to obscure more with what it doesn't say than illuminate by what it does say.  The thing that's surprising to me is that Max (to my knowledge) has never explicitly stated that Lightcurve is really a shell company for he and Oliver, and he certainly did not say so in the PR release announcing to the world the relationship between Lisk and Lightcurve .  Maybe I missed such a previous announcement.

Perhaps an arrangement like this is required to get money from Switzerland to Germany, or is the appropriate thing to do from a tax standpoint - yes, I am aware of the Dutch sandwich and Double Irish arrangements used by Apple and others.  Lisk has hit the big time if using a shell company is a serious tax consideration, and it may well be.

Bottom line:  I don't know what I'm talking about.

459  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers on: January 27, 2017, 07:38:31 PM
Another consideration - Lightcurve is a blockchain consulting company.  It is a way Max and Oliver can be paid to work on other cryptocoins besides Lisk.  So establishing Lightcurve almost certainly means Max and Oliver will not be spending 100% of their time on Lisk in the future.
460  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers on: January 27, 2017, 12:13:25 PM
What is so special about working together with a company that i founded by myself???

You don't have to report on how you spend the money in Germany that you transfer to yourself from your $10M Swiss non-profit organization.

http://www.the-blockchain.com/2016/12/21/lisk-blockchain-announces-creation-of-swiss-non-profit-foundation/



http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/lisk-makes-ico-funds-100-transparent-non-profit-foundation-1597476



http://www.econotimes.com/Lisk-collaborates-with-blockchain-consultancy-lightcurve-GmbH-for-platform-development-510116



Lightcurve GmbH:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B184ul8fwZv9SklBOTdwMG9BcUk/view?usp=sharing

Lisk Mainnet Delegates:

https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=1309

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