Hello, it would be greatly helpful if anybody in the community can assist in finding a simplied list of the block reward schedules for most/all of the cryptocurrencies. for example if they could be organized in a spreadsheet format. it would be nice if all the coins had a site such as http://bitcoinclock.com/but they don't. so any help would be appreciated! Thank you! |
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Dashboard Page updated to have Referrals listed below Shares owned and deposits/withdrawals transactions!
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Actually it was a statistic the minute you guys mentioned fixed returns. Every single "investment plan" that has EVER offered fixed returns anywhere near what you're offering on this message board was eventually revealed to be a scam. Its a 100% certainty.
the fixed returns was the USD investment. The trading pool is variable return, it can be 0% some days. and up to 2%, no guaranteeand I'm not offering anything, i'm just a customer of Esoteric not the employee. plz correct yourself. |
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i don't believe in psychics or ppl that can "read" ppl, especially through the internet.
You don't have to. You just have to believe in statistics. Do the right thing, sit back and just wait and see how this pans out.
Mmmmaybe. I have to see this thread in my Unreads every day now. Esoteric isn't and hasn't become a statistic. Can't be said until it actually happens what you believe so much about them. in the mean time, chill. uhm wat you mean everyday in your unreads? you can take it out of your notification/watch list.... |
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I never said I'm operating a ponzi.
I know, I said it. You're misreading what I wrote. And if you did any research at all you would discover that both BlueMeanie and IconicExpert are known thieves in the altcoin community. I had an epiphany about your friend Phantom Trader. He is a sociopath. He is biologically incapable of giving a shit about other people which allows him to lie so easily and unashamedly. He will be what he is forever. You, on the other hand... There's still some hope for you. Times may be tough where you are but can't you hold out for something legit? i don't believe in psychics or ppl that can "read" ppl, especially through the internet. you've only spoken with phantom from a business argument perspective, not as two mutual acquaintances. so again you're making assumptions. you say he lies, but you've shown now proof of that. you say he's a sociopath, again where's the proof, you have a mental examination done by a licensed psychologist? If anything seems you are just delusional and throwing out everything you can in hopes someone will bite on your every word. Do the right thing, sit back and just wait and see how this pans out. |
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ya i have some integrity, so yw for that. but its funny for a scammer to call a scammer a scammer hahaha
How am I a scammer you dumb douche nozzle? BTW, you're abusing the feedback system. Its meant to be used for marketplace trades. Don't worry, you'll get a lot more of it from your "customers" real soon. bluemeanie1 -4: -1 / +0(0) 2014-10-11 0.00000000 Reference nutildah's NXTSCAM.ORG profile. bluemeanie1 -4: -1 / +0(0) 2014-10-08 0.00000000 Reference a thread about nutildah https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=816663.0bluemeanie1 -4: -1 / +0(0) 2014-10-04 0.00000000 Reference Nutildah falsely accused me of running a sock puppet account with no evidence. bluemeanie1 -4: -1 / +0(0) 2014-10-03 0.00000000 nutildah is a 100% anonymous promoter for the notorious cryptocurrency scam, NXT. kalenen 0: -0 / +0(0) 2014-09-11 0.00000000 To much trolling. He is bad for crypto in general. shall i repeat it again? >> and secondly, I do not operate nor am I an employee of or working in association with Esoteric Investments, LLC. So please retract your statement>> Digicoinz 0: -0 / +0(0) 2014-10-25 0.00000000 left me negative feedback for pointing out that he was operating a Ponzi scheme, will not accept the fact that every program that offers consistently positive, significant returns is eventually exposed as a Ponzi. I never said I'm operating a ponzi. you are a compulsive liar. |
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Once again, Eso has not made any guaranteed claims or promises. so why do you keep posting information irrelevant to esoteric?
Actually, they have:
That guaranteed 5% return (which adds up to 60% for a year by the way) is for a USD investment into the company not our trading pool deal. Also it is to enter talks with us not an apply and you get it we have to meet you and like you in person and have you sign a paper contract for this investment.
5% return for an angel investment or venture capital investment really isn't that uncommon. As usually they cost more like equity in the company. Which is also available for the right offer. Again in person meetings would be required.
This happened. Deal with it. You don't like it, next time open a moderated thread. It seems like Phantom Trader should be wiser at 48 years of age. https://twitter.com/PhantomTrade66Banks gaurantee returns on CD's and monthly interest rates on checking/savings accounts. so what's the problem? You're just obsessed with Esoteric having a piece of paper stating they have the OK with SEC. That's the only thing that'll shut you up. |
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"The SEC investigation shows Shavers used new Bitcoin to repay the first investors, while diverting some of the old cryptocurrency to personal accounts stored at the defunct exchange Mt. Gox and using some of the funds to pay for rent, food and other personal expenses...Shavers, who lives in the state of Texas, guaranteed the safety of their investments and promised the clients he would generate revenue, which he never did." Once again, Eso has not made any guaranteed claims or promises. so why do you keep posting information irrelevant to esoteric? |
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I don't know what you're so proud of. IconicExpert and BlueMeanie are two known scam artists. The leaders of the forum have decided that neither their nor their sock puppets' opinions matter very much. Thanks for not editing out the feedback from my one actual transaction:
EFFV 0: -0 / +0(0) 2014-09-09 0.05000000 Prompt Payment! Thanks a ton!
Sent feedback
ya i have some integrity, so yw for that. but its funny for a scammer to call a scammer a scammer hahaha |
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“Ponzi scheme operators often claim to have a tie to a new and emerging technology as a lure to potential victims,” said Lori J. Schock, Director of the SEC’s Office of Investor Education and Advocacy. “Investors should understand that regardless of the type of investment, a promise of high returns with little or no risk is a classic warning sign of fraud.” https://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.VEsnjPnF-h_“Fraudsters are not beyond the reach of the SEC just because they use Bitcoin or another virtual currency to mislead investors and violate the federal securities laws,” said Andrew M. Calamari, Director of the SEC’s New York Regional Office. Esoteric has made no such claims. try again. face the fact, people will invest with them regardless what you try posting here. so good luck wasting your energy. Everybody look at this>> trust comments on nutildah User Date Risked BTC amount Reference Comments NoNxt4me 0: -0 / +0(0) 2014-10-23 0.00000000 nutildah is part of the notorious cryptocurrency scam NXT bluemeanie1 -4: -1 / +0(0) 2014-10-11 0.00000000 Reference nutildah's NXTSCAM.ORG profile. bluemeanie1 -4: -1 / +0(0) 2014-10-08 0.00000000 Reference a thread about nutildah https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=816663.0bluemeanie1 -4: -1 / +0(0) 2014-10-04 0.00000000 Reference Nutildah falsely accused me of running a sock puppet account with no evidence. bluemeanie1 -4: -1 / +0(0) 2014-10-03 0.00000000 nutildah is a 100% anonymous promoter for the notorious cryptocurrency scam, NXT. kalenen 0: -0 / +0(0) 2014-09-11 0.00000000 To much trolling. He is bad for crypto in general. IconicExpert 0: -0 / +0(0) 2014-09-09 0.00000000 This person posts false information and should not be trusted. Avoid him at any cost. EFFV 0: -0 / +0(0) 2014-09-09 0.05000000 Prompt Payment! Thanks a ton! Sent feedback |
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“Ponzi scheme operators often claim to have a tie to a new and emerging technology as a lure to potential victims,” said Lori J. Schock, Director of the SEC’s Office of Investor Education and Advocacy. “Investors should understand that regardless of the type of investment, a promise of high returns with little or no risk is a classic warning sign of fraud.”https://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.VEsnjPnF-h_“Fraudsters are not beyond the reach of the SEC just because they use Bitcoin or another virtual currency to mislead investors and violate the federal securities laws,” said Andrew M. Calamari, Director of the SEC’s New York Regional Office. nothing about that phrase is accurately portraying Esoteric. please stop spamming this thread with your manipulative tactics to try defaming them. they are not promising high returns, and aren't stating there is no risk. anybody with half a brain can see what you are doing. and it won't stop people from investing, no matter how hard you try. |
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Today's Trading Pool Payout at 0.36%  Thank you to all that have joined, don't forget to check out the lottery section, no winners yet! (site link at bottom) |
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Keyser Soze
So America; FED says bitcoin is not a currency, IRS taxes it like a commodity, SEC claims it is a property investment, while still being a form of money to the judiciary. Every branch of government has a different stance on this thing wtf. Love this country...
Keyser Soze we'll have to address that in some way to abide by the law. As you probably know and see above the USA doesn't make it easy to understand how and I'm sure they don't make it cheap to do so.
As of the last SEC publication concerning bitcoin it was being deemed as property, like the IRS has it, that would be invested in us to buy and sell to make more of that property, not money, so we have been trying to comply with that idea as our bare minimum amount of regulations till we are able to afford registrations for the whole thing starting with SEC accreditation up to FINcen. Seeing as how the shavers case was a year before this last publication maybe the regulation is different now, wouldn't get shavers out of jail as he was running a blatant ponzi scheme so we would't have heard anything about an appeals case in the news as he got what he deserved for being a scam regardless of bitcoin being money or not for investments.
In a few months regulations wont be of any concern so wait patiently and stay un-involved in the pool if you want till we have them. In the meantime we are seeking advice from people more attuned to the legalities then us. If ceasing trading till we have certification is necessary then that is what we will do if not then we will get those certification in due time to expand. We'll be sure to update everyone on either outcome within the coming weeks to month with a statement from the legal adviser we'd meet with. Sadly hard to find a good bitcoin lawyer in NJ or anywhere, and don't want to trust a regular business lawyer as I'm sure they'll tell us what requires the most to pay to them, and not what the actual stance is for the law on Bitcoin
Feel free to refer some Bitcoin attorneys to us.
What SEC publication are you referring to? Surely the SEC wouldn't want to give up their authority over some investments just because they are denominated in a cryptocurrency instead of traditional currency. Have you read the court document I linked and referenced? It is a short four page read, but clearly describes the three qualifications of an investment contact (security) and how they applied to investments offered by Shavers. Using the same methodology, I cannot see a difference between your offerings and Shavers'. You need to find the actual final judgment of that case. what you found is just an opinion, it doesn't have precedence in case-law. This document was only the beginning of the case to pass the jurisdiction test. there would be many filings done after that, dismissals, rebuttals etc. So please find the final judgment of the case that states what you are trying to point here. |
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This is a Ponzi scheme. It is a scam. If you invest in it, you will be aiding and abetting criminal activity, and you will probably lose your money.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I agree. The talk about having to hide trades is nonsense. Even mutual funds in the states show all major holdings every quarter. Places like this just want to get a large pool of BTC and then disappear. Why are you comparing conventional financial systems with bitcoin ? Bitcoin was designed to get away from those archaic systems, to separate from the govt and suffocation of regulations. but you idiots keep trying to push it that govt should be involved?  wtf... Why are you calling me an idiot? You are the one pushing a company that can't possibly live up the claims being made. not saying you, but to the ones that are pushing to make something intended for the people by the people without government intrusion. |
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seriously?...the chat is so that ppl like you can have live contact with the business owners and get your concerns and questions answered. secondly businesses have teams working on different aspects of the company, this way multiple projects can be completed simultaneously.
where did you get your education? cause your not showing much intelligence.
It seems the chat is just you and Phantom talking shit about people. Very professional behaviour. no, i'm stating an observation, ignorance and idiocy is rampant with ppl that make blatantly false accusations. |
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wtf...
Just shut up, scammer. You lose. 1-800-GET-A-LIFE |
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This is a Ponzi scheme. It is a scam. If you invest in it, you will be aiding and abetting criminal activity, and you will probably lose your money.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I agree. The talk about having to hide trades is nonsense. Even mutual funds in the states show all major holdings every quarter. Places like this just want to get a large pool of BTC and then disappear. Obviously they had more important things to worry about than working on their transparency, as they just installed a chat box. seriously?...the chat is so that ppl like you can have live contact with the business owners and get your concerns and questions answered. secondly businesses have teams working on different aspects of the company, this way multiple projects can be completed simultaneously. where did you get your education? cause your not showing much intelligence. |
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This is a Ponzi scheme. It is a scam. If you invest in it, you will be aiding and abetting criminal activity, and you will probably lose your money.
I will be here to remind you what idiots you all are afterwards, too.
I agree. The talk about having to hide trades is nonsense. Even mutual funds in the states show all major holdings every quarter. Places like this just want to get a large pool of BTC and then disappear. Why are you comparing conventional financial systems with bitcoin ? Bitcoin was designed to get away from those archaic systems, to separate from the govt and suffocation of regulations. but you idiots keep trying to push it that govt should be involved? wtf... |
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