sounds to me like this G-d you speak of is limited .
But if G-d had a son and became a man, then he would be limiting himself to human form. G-d is everywhere at once. He does not limit himself by becoming a human. wait now you are saying something different. you said before that he CANNOT take a human form, but now you say that he DOES NOT take a human form. Which is it. It would limit God if he stopped being God and became a man, but I don't understand how having a son who is a man would limit God. He does not take a human form. He does not wish to limit himself. In the Christian teaching, G-d becomes Man when he becomes Jesus. So G-d having a son limits Him as He becomes a Man. Also, having a son in general limits G-d because He created all of Humankind. To have only one son shows that he is limited like a Human father. That is why G-d does not have a son. No.How much more bullshit are you going to post? I am sorry if I was wrong. But let's say Jesus was not G-d in the flesh. Let's say Jesus is the son of G-d. Then that still limits G-d as he created all of humankind. He does not choose to have a son as he does not want to limit himself the way a human father limits himself. |
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sounds to me like this G-d you speak of is limited .
But if G-d had a son and became a man, then he would be limiting himself to human form. G-d is everywhere at once. He does not limit himself by becoming a human. wait now you are saying something different. you said before that he CANNOT take a human form, but now you say that he DOES NOT take a human form. Which is it. It would limit God if he stopped being God and became a man, but I don't understand how having a son who is a man would limit God. He does not take a human form. He does not wish to limit himself. In the Christian teaching, G-d becomes Man when he becomes Jesus. So G-d having a son limits Him as He becomes a Man. Also, having a son in general limits G-d because He created all of Humankind. To have only one son shows that he is limited like a Human father. That is why G-d does not have a son. |
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Like I said in the Key Points About The Jewish Religion thread, I am not religious by any stretch of the imagination. If people were truly religious, and stoned people to death for committing sins, then they themselves would go to prison for a long time. The Bible has a good message overall, but some of the beliefs and some of the actions committed in the Bible, as well as punishments for sins, are way out-of-line of my moral code. Which was also written in 4 different languages. True, but about 80% were written in Hebrew. |
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is what is going on in gaza, and the conflicts israel has participated in historically, a good message to be sent out to the world ?
is the israeli bombing of gaza "leading a righteous life" ?
are israelis happy with their militarised society, conscription, nuclear weapons, berlin walls, and hatred of those in gaza
is this model of society one bright torch shining a special light of goodness to the world ?
Technically, what they are doing in Gaza is in line with G-d's message. In truth, if anybody did what the Tanakh, New Testament, or Quran said to do they would be in prison within a month. G-d commands a lot worse than what the Israelis are doing. |
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sounds to me like this G-d you speak of is limited .
But if G-d had a son and became a man, then he would be limiting himself to human form. G-d is everywhere at once. He does not limit himself by becoming a human. |
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But not to worry, because as always, Obama is 'deeply concerned and monitoring the situation closely'...as he tees up for the next hole.
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1.) G-d created Humans in his image. Man and Woman, He created them. That means, as G-d has freewill, Humans have freewill. It does not mean G-d has a body. G-d has no body.
2.) G-d is neither male nor female. G-d is a spirit entity. G-d has no body. G-d is spirit.
3.) In the Jewish religion, the World to Come is not in Heaven but will be here on Earth. People will be brought back to life in their physical bodies and be judged by G-d. Those deemed worthy will have eternal life here on Earth. Heaven and Hell is only temporary for now until G-d restores some type of Garden of Eden here on Earth, known as Olam Haba, the World to Come.
4.) The Snake in the Garden of Eden is symbolism for the baseness of Human Nature. It is a symbol of the lowest part of human nature which we should struggle to avoid and overcome and get ourselves closer to G-d in understanding by fulfilling his laws.
5.) Satan is an agent of G-d. He is not an enemy of G-d. G-d cannot have a battle in Heaven as he is Supreme. No one is higher than Him. Satan is thus used to tempt people as a test of those people's loyalty to G-d.
6.) G-d cannot have a son. If He does, then that limits Him. G-d is infinite and cannot limit Himself.
7.) Jews cannot have tattoos or eat pork. Pig is an unclean animal and G-d commands you to not make markings on your body.
8.) All the positive prophecies in the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) will come true. The negative ones, like war and famine, are only warnings. So G-d stacks the deck in our favor. If we are righteous and holy people here on Earth, then the good prophecies will come true and the bad ones will not. If we are sinful and wicked, then bad prophecies like the War of Gog and Magog may very well come true.
9.) The Messiah will be a normal human. He will be born of a mother and father and will be a great Torah scholar and military leader.
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Its pretty much expected at major banks. If you don't do it, someone younger and hungrier for advancement will.
Its also an unspoken rule in the New york offices, that the juniors will not leave for the day unless they see their seniors leave.
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"Christianity in Mosul is dead, and a Christian holocaust is in our midst," said Mark Arabo, a Californian businessman and Chaldean-American leader. In an interview with CNN's Jonathan Mann, he called what's happening in Iraq a "Christian genocide" and said "children are being beheaded, mothers are being raped and killed, and fathers are being hung." "Right now, three thousand Christians are in Iraq fleeing to neighboring cities," he told Mann. Arabo is calling on the international community to follow France's lead and offer the Christians of Iraq asylum. DOHUK, Iraq — American military forces bombed at least two targets in northern Iraq on Thursday night to rout Islamist insurgents who have trapped tens of thousands of religious minorities in Kurdish areas, Kurdish officials said. Word of the bombings, reported on Kurdish television from the city of Erbil, came as President Obama was preparing to make a statement in Washington. Kurdish officials said the bombings targeted fighters from the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria who had seized two towns, Gwer and Mahmour. Residents who had fled those areas by car were heard honking their horns in approval. But Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary, said on Twitter that the reports of the bombings were false. |
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Technicalities like these are what bugs me about organized religion. The books have been translated andinterpreted so many times, who know what the original text said. What I can safely assume is that the intentwas to feature stories and lessons to live a righteous life and not for legalinterpretation of the wording.
The Hebrew Tanakh is in its original Hebrew text. It was never a translated version. Some argue the Greek text came first, but I think it was just compiled first and created to fit in with Hellenism; the Tanakh books came first but were just compiled later. Nevertheless, the Hebrew version is the correct version. The moral is to lead a righteous life. So you are correct there. But science does the same thing. They have technicalities in their books as well. But we don't discredit science for it. There are differences in the Hebrew language though, so it will also depend on what era of Hebrew you read it in. Please elaborate. As far as I know, there is Biblical Hebrew and Modern Hebrew. Israelis use modern Hebrew, but Israelis can read the Tanakh in Biblical Hebrew text. So again, please elaborate. It is like how Spanish speakers and Italian speakers don't usually speak Latin but they can understand it. Edit: We know the Israelis read the Tanakh in the original Hebrew because they found 2000+ year-old Dead Sea Scrolls that pretty much match what's in the Tanakh. I don't want to tangent off to a differnet discussion, but all things that are absolute in science have been proven and can be replicated. Anything that have not been fully vetted but have gone through the scientific method are call theories which are open for discussion. So for our discussion above, the equivalent to a scientific theory would be to show the current text compared to the original text but without the original framers dictating what to write and what they meant. We have the Dead Sea Scrolls that have fragments of every book in the Tanakh (Hebrew Old Testament) except the Book of Esther. |
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Technicalities like these are what bugs me about organized religion. The books have been translated andinterpreted so many times, who know what the original text said. What I can safely assume is that the intentwas to feature stories and lessons to live a righteous life and not for legalinterpretation of the wording.
The Hebrew Tanakh is in its original Hebrew text. It was never a translated version. Some argue the Greek text came first, but I think it was just compiled first and created to fit in with Hellenism; the Tanakh books came first but were just compiled later. Nevertheless, the Hebrew version is the correct version. The moral is to lead a righteous life. So you are correct there. But science does the same thing. They have technicalities in their books as well. But we don't discredit science for it. There are differences in the Hebrew language though, so it will also depend on what era of Hebrew you read it in. Please elaborate. As far as I know, there is Biblical Hebrew and Modern Hebrew. Israelis use modern Hebrew, but Israelis can read the Tanakh in Biblical Hebrew text. So again, please elaborate. It is like how Spanish speakers and Italian speakers don't usually speak Latin but they can understand it. Edit: We know the Israelis read the Tanakh in the original Hebrew because they found 2000+ year-old Dead Sea Scrolls that pretty much match what's in the Tanakh. |
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Technicalities like these are what bugs me about organized religion. The books have been translated andinterpreted so many times, who know what the original text said. What I can safely assume is that the intentwas to feature stories and lessons to live a righteous life and not for legalinterpretation of the wording.
The Hebrew Tanakh is in its original Hebrew text. It was never a translated version. Some argue the Greek text came first, but I think it was just compiled first and created to fit in with Hellenism; the Tanakh books came first but were just compiled later. Nevertheless, the Hebrew version is the correct version. The moral is to lead a righteous life. So you are correct there. But science does the same thing. They have technicalities in their books as well. But we don't discredit science for it. |
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I want to make a thread about the misconceptions of Israeli culture because I have seen, both online and offline, people who do not truly understand Israeli culture.
You will teach Shulchan Aruh for free? yes |
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regardless of "thou shalt not kill" etc, gods and bibles, many act like maniacs, and profess to the world their insanity, shoving two fingers up at any respectable godall involved in the savage mad dog lunacy of armaggedon in gaza and just outside gaza, are saying fuck god up the ass sidewaysbut they claim to be god's humble servants and would kill anyone at the drop of a hat who said god was a cunt
The Hebrew phrase is actually "thou shalt not murder". One can kill to defend their family and country from attack, but they cannot murder someone needlessly. |
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Preachers on the streets. They're about on the same level as the westboro baptist church.
Black Hebrew Israelites are not Jewish. In order to be Jewish, you either have to be born of a Jewish mother or convert to the religion. The Black Hebrew Israelites have done neither. Anybody can become a full Jew by the process of conversion. You don't have to be born of a Jewish mother to become Jewish. Here is a good video about the Black Hebrew Israelites by Rabbi Asher Meza. He is a former Baptist Minister who converted to Judaism and became a Rabbi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn32QYD78KU |
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It depends on the relative solvency of the company. Some bankruptcies are just financial restructurings using the bankruptcy law for certain very specific reasons. In a lot of those cases, everyone gets paid in full. Or everyone agrees to take a certain haircut on the amount they are owed. Well, not everyone, usually just the big, sophisticated banks and hedge funds. The "rank and file" creditors--employees, trade creditors, suppliers, etc.--all get paid in full, often with interest.
If the company is in really bad shape, then only priority and secured debts will get paid in full. Other creditors will get some percentage on the dollar--sometimes a penny or two, sometimes closer to the full amount they are owed.
Some creditors have risk insurance or other relationships (like factoring) that step in if they do not get paid in full. Other creditors sell their claims early in the case to claims traders. Some creditors wait it out and get what they get.
Again...can an individual, short of lead poisoning, do the same thing as a company with their debts? |
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Yep and again, if no one advocates for a debt, it doesn't get paid. You're saying companies are compelled to cover certain debts, yet that implies every situation is one in which the company in question has enough in assets to take care of some if not all their debts. This is not always the case.
You're misunderstanding the issue. Companies are eligible for only two types of bankruptcy: chapter 7 and chapter 11. Chapter 7 is a complete liquidation of the company and its assets, and the company never gets a discharge. But whatever assets are sold and whatever money is left or is raised goes to pay priority creditors first. And employees wages and benefits are essentially first in line to be paid. The upshot is that if anyone is getting paid anything, it is the former employees. Chapter 11, on the other hand, is a reorganization. Chapter 11 is the only way for a company to get a discharge of its debts. But in order to be eligible for the discharge and exit chapter 11, a company must pay--in full--the claims of its employees, former and current. To be clear, a company cannot go through a chapter 11 without paying these claims. Companies are required by law to file schedules of all of their debts. The schedules are verified under penalty of perjury by an officer of the company. Lying on the schedules, or failing to schedule known debts, is a bankruptcy crime. Even "honest" mistakes are often harshly punished. Can individuals do the same thing with their debts? That was the original question or point of contention. Individuals, it appears, do not have the ability to dissolve. Individuals can go to jail, but companies can't--you were told they are liability shelters, which is funny because that's exactly what they are in this context. Individuals can do better than corporations. They can go through a chapter 7 bankruptcy and get a nearly complete discharge. And it's very immediate and thorough. Plus, individuals have exempt property that they keep (corporations don't). For example, you can keep a car, your retirement accounts, furniture, personal effects, and more. In many states, you can keep your house if you don't have mortgage on it. Individuals can also go through a chapter 13 where you can keep paying your mortgage and keep your house and you get a "super discharge" which gets rid of even tax debts (except trust fund taxes). Chapter 11 is also open to individuals, but it's very expensive so most don't use it. If they do, they have to contribute all of their disposable income for 5 years to paying their creditors. When 5 years are done, anything they couldn't pay is discharged forever. You've identified employee related obligations as a 'must pay' for companies, citing jail time for individuals. Aside from the apparent absurdity, when the individual that went to jail for company debt gets out, does he have to service that debt? It's not jail time for not paying debts; it's jail time for lying about the debts or failing to disclose them. Remember, the schedules are required to list all known debts and be signed under penalty of perjury. This is a separate issue from wether the debt gets paid. But assuming that the debt is one that moves from the company to the officer, like trust fund taxes do, then the answer is yes, he would have to service the debt. Trust fund taxes are never dischargeable, not even in bankruptcy. The only way to get rid of them is to pay them or settle with the taxing authority. Does the company? Not unless it's Phoenix Inc.. And all those other debts, the ones that didn't get priority over employee related obligations...who pays for them? It's not Flo from Progressive. |
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Yep and again, if no one advocates for a debt, it doesn't get paid. You're saying companies are compelled to cover certain debts, yet that implies every situation is one in which the company in question has enough in assets to take care of some if not all their debts. This is not always the case.
You're misunderstanding the issue. Companies are eligible for only two types of bankruptcy: chapter 7 and chapter 11. Chapter 7 is a complete liquidation of the company and its assets, and the company never gets a discharge. But whatever assets are sold and whatever money is left or is raised goes to pay priority creditors first. And employees wages and benefits are essentially first in line to be paid. The upshot is that if anyone is getting paid anything, it is the former employees. Chapter 11, on the other hand, is a reorganization. Chapter 11 is the only way for a company to get a discharge of its debts. But in order to be eligible for the discharge and exit chapter 11, a company must pay--in full--the claims of its employees, former and current. To be clear, a company cannot go through a chapter 11 without paying these claims. Companies are required by law to file schedules of all of their debts. The schedules are verified under penalty of perjury by an officer of the company. Lying on the schedules, or failing to schedule known debts, is a bankruptcy crime. Even "honest" mistakes are often harshly punished. Can individuals do the same thing with their debts? That was the original question or point of contention. Individuals, it appears, do not have the ability to dissolve. Individuals can go to jail, but companies can't--you were told they are liability shelters, which is funny because that's exactly what they are in this context. Individuals can do better than corporations. They can go through a chapter 7 bankruptcy and get a nearly complete discharge. And it's very immediate and thorough. Plus, individuals have exempt property that they keep (corporations don't). For example, you can keep a car, your retirement accounts, furniture, personal effects, and more. In many states, you can keep your house if you don't have mortgage on it. Individuals can also go through a chapter 13 where you can keep paying your mortgage and keep your house and you get a "super discharge" which gets rid of even tax debts (except trust fund taxes). Chapter 11 is also open to individuals, but it's very expensive so most don't use it. If they do, they have to contribute all of their disposable income for 5 years to paying their creditors. When 5 years are done, anything they couldn't pay is discharged forever. You've identified employee related obligations as a 'must pay' for companies, citing jail time for individuals. Aside from the apparent absurdity, when the individual that went to jail for company debt gets out, does he have to service that debt? |
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Yep and again, if no one advocates for a debt, it doesn't get paid. You're saying companies are compelled to cover certain debts, yet that implies every situation is one in which the company in question has enough in assets to take care of some if not all their debts. This is not always the case.
You're misunderstanding the issue. Companies are eligible for only two types of bankruptcy: chapter 7 and chapter 11. Chapter 7 is a complete liquidation of the company and its assets, and the company never gets a discharge. But whatever assets are sold and whatever money is left or is raised goes to pay priority creditors first. And employees wages and benefits are essentially first in line to be paid. The upshot is that if anyone is getting paid anything, it is the former employees. Chapter 11, on the other hand, is a reorganization. Chapter 11 is the only way for a company to get a discharge of its debts. But in order to be eligible for the discharge and exit chapter 11, a company must pay--in full--the claims of its employees, former and current. To be clear, a company cannot go through a chapter 11 without paying these claims. Companies are required by law to file schedules of all of their debts. The schedules are verified under penalty of perjury by an officer of the company. Lying on the schedules, or failing to schedule known debts, is a bankruptcy crime. Even "honest" mistakes are often harshly punished. Can individuals do the same thing with their debts? That was the original question or point of contention. Individuals, it appears, do not have the ability to dissolve. Individuals can go to jail, but companies can't--you were told they are liability shelters, which is funny because that's exactly what they are in this context. |
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