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4421  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: [DAILY FREE RAFFLE] 258th JUST BECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD FREE BITCOIN on: April 24, 2019, 10:19:50 AM
Goodmorning and goodluck to ye all!!   Cheesy

Remember once you receive your coins...please post a photo and comments in the following thread!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3910520.0;all

That's all I ask! Thanks!!
4422  Economy / Games and rounds / [DAILY FREE RAFFLE] 258th JUST BECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD FREE BITCOIN on: April 24, 2019, 10:19:33 AM
Yes...I am still in a good mood so giving out a BITCOIN PHYSICAL coin.  Cheesy 

First come first served. Free shipping anywhere on this planet witht he exception of certain countries>> read here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3910520.0

If you live in any country I cannot ship to you can always ship to a friend in other countries that Ic an ship to

Only one spot per person.

If you win you get to choose one coin of your liking.

Please read>>>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3910520.0

ONLY ONE RULE>> PICK A LETTER OR NUMBER NO RANDOMS PLEASE..sorry randoms will be ignored





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4 - ayuwolle Grin
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8 hotrod_88 Sad
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This coin will be shipped directly from manufacturer.

Please provide full address with zipcode. Other than that It will not be shipped properly. If you can also add telephone… if not I will make one up and place instead.


Please no PO boxes as they do not ship to PO BOX addresses.

Goodluck!  Please read https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3910520.0

I also suggest using  privnote.com top send me your addy via PM once raffle winner get in touch with me.

Its for your privacy.  Wink 

For all newcomers you have to read https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3910520.0

You have to reach out to me when winning. Coins will be bought and sent from manufacturer.

If coin is stolen or does not arrive because of thievery in the postal system I am not sending a new one.

Also sometimes if they are sold out from a particular coin of your choice, another will be sent instead.

Read all of this and then decide if you want in or not. I am not responsible for any failed deliveries.

You are not buying anything here.

 I am sending out of the goodness of my heart and that's it.   Cheesy

This applied to all auctions in the past and future ones as well as the thread says. Goodluck!

DO NOT SEND ME A PM WITH PRIV NOTE... UNLESS YOU WIN THE RAFFLE.

If you win yes...if not no! And please send within 24hrs so I can keep track on who won what. Thanks   Cheesy

PLEASE PLACE YOUR INFO AS FOLLOWS WHEN PLACING YOUR LETTER OR NUMBER

A KROGOTHMANHATTAN

It makes my life easier to copy and paste

And it keeps me in a good mood too! Cheesy


4423  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Establishing A Will -With Collectibles In Mind on: April 24, 2019, 10:18:15 AM
if my kids appear on here trying to sell my collectibles please dont rip them off Smiley

makes an interesting topic as even if you do manage to pass them  on, whoever is the recipient may want to offload them and for many there isnt a market outside of this forum.

   Sharks are always around when they smell newbies and people in distress.....have them browse thru past sales and see prices sodl.

   Send them here>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5130318.0
4424  Other / Archival / Re: . on: April 23, 2019, 02:35:20 PM
Such a rare item to come up..cannot recall ever seeing an auction for such a roll. Goodluck Wink
4425  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Collecting Community input needed>> Definitions used in our unique hobby on: April 23, 2019, 01:35:44 PM
Another thought, and I have to have to think it but there is at times significant dollar value attached to some of these things. Should there be a standard description for original owner / re-sale coins. And where they have been.

I have a 1 oz Silver Gold-plated 1 BTC Lealana Bitcoin. It's mine, I bought it straight from smoothie I sent funding to the address that smoothie sent me. If I sell it to you and there is an issue with the funding there is a short list of where it happened. With security holos not being perfect and with a real fiat value being attached to BTC there is a real risk of people being scummy. Think about it BTC goes back to over $15k usd. I decide to be evil, I can probably replicate the hologram for under $2500 for a perfect copy. I pull the private key and put it back.

I sell it for BTC1.25 here. And wait 90 days. I then pull the BTC / BCH / every other fork. There is a good chain of custody smoothie --> me --> you. You might not win in court but you would have a good case against me. That is IF you actually notice. How often do you check the loads on your coins?

Take the auction I am bidding on now. I don't know if Lesbian Cow the original owner. If not how many hands did this coin pass through? It's been graded, if some really dishonest person was working at any of the grading houses they might have ROLLS of copies of all the holograms of the popular manufacturers and have a notebook filled with private keys. Next time BTC passes $20k they are living in a tropical paradise in a country with no extradition.

I hate having to think about this but every I buy I funded coin this goes through my brain.

So back to the original thought of this post. Do we need a term for chain of custody of the coins that are / can be loaded?
 
-Dave

  Good point..in other words Provenance=the place of origin or earliest known history of something.

  I like the idea very much..but what if you find people whom do not wish it to be known they were the sellers of such coin?

  And the idea of sending any of my coins to be graded was never high in my list of things to do.

  a) Do not trust the postal system to deliver
  b) Do not trust the grading that much after I saw them grade a killyou, satori chips and fake coins.
  c) And now this that you bring up. Which is an excellent point! The more hands a coin has seen the better the chances of an issue of a breach. As far fetched as that may sound, its always a possibility.


 
- Redeemed / Peeled / Swept
- SHA-256 Private Key
- Mintage
- DIY
- GILT
- COA / Certificate of Authenticity
- Grading Services (ANACS / ICG)
- Freshly Minted Bits (BTCC)

I have also heard this called "virgin bitcoin"

   Yes virgin coin as in BTCC coins which I think are so unique in that aspect making them stand out for that feature of having freshly Minted/Virgin coins!
4426  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: [DAILY FREE RAFFLE] 256th JUST BECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD FREE BITCOIN on: April 23, 2019, 12:29:48 PM
2- peashooter

 2 wins!! https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/block/0000000000000000001b4bd999291803be2ba2aba4bd6f986871833f1ef1da62/

  Congratulations   !!!

Thankyou all for participating and see you again tomorrow for more! Cheesy
4427  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: [DAILY FREE RAFFLE] 256th JUST BECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD FREE BITCOIN on: April 23, 2019, 11:50:19 AM
Alrighty then!  Lets roll with 572879

Goodluck to ye all Cheesy
4428  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: [DAILY FREE RAFFLE] 256th JUST BECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD FREE BITCOIN on: April 23, 2019, 11:36:55 AM
Updated slots...one more to go before we roll! Cheesy
4429  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: [DAILY FREE RAFFLE] 256th JUST BECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD FREE BITCOIN on: April 23, 2019, 11:11:41 AM
Slots updated!  Cheesy
4430  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: [DAILY FREE RAFFLE] 256th JUST BECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD FREE BITCOIN on: April 23, 2019, 10:37:35 AM
Goodmorning and goodluck to ye all!!   Cheesy

Remember once you receive your coins...please post a photo and comments in the following thread!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3910520.0;all

That's all I ask! Thanks!!
4431  Economy / Games and rounds / [DAILY FREE RAFFLE] 257th JUST BECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD FREE BITCOIN on: April 23, 2019, 10:37:27 AM
Yes...I am still in a good mood so giving out a BITCOIN PHYSICAL coin.  Cheesy 

First come first served. Free shipping anywhere on this planet witht he exception of certain countries>> read here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3910520.0

If you live in any country I cannot ship to you can always ship to a friend in other countries that Ic an ship to

Only one spot per person.

If you win you get to choose one coin of your liking.

Please read>>>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3910520.0

ONLY ONE RULE>> PICK A LETTER OR NUMBER NO RANDOMS PLEASE..sorry randoms will be ignored





1 jake zyrus >Sad
2 - peashooter Wink
3 –JanEmil Grin
4 -  shasan Smiley
5 -kenzawak Roll Eyes
6 - ayuwolle Cheesy
7 -  wow.magic Cry
8 FontSeli Kiss
9 -Polar91 Cheesy
0 -cumakoff Cheesy
a -Mirae Cry
b -rkorade Roll Eyes
c -  Captain Sneeze Cool
d Last of the V8s Huh
e -freetoshi  >Sad
f -baby dragon Shocked

   
This coin will be shipped directly from manufacturer.

Please provide full address with zipcode. Other than that It will not be shipped properly. If you can also add telephone… if not I will make one up and place instead.


Please no PO boxes as they do not ship to PO BOX addresses.

Goodluck!  Please read https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3910520.0

I also suggest using  privnote.com top send me your addy via PM once raffle winner get in touch with me.

Its for your privacy.  Wink 

For all newcomers you have to read https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3910520.0

You have to reach out to me when winning. Coins will be bought and sent from manufacturer.

If coin is stolen or does not arrive because of thievery in the postal system I am not sending a new one.

Also sometimes if they are sold out from a particular coin of your choice, another will be sent instead.

Read all of this and then decide if you want in or not. I am not responsible for any failed deliveries.

You are not buying anything here.

 I am sending out of the goodness of my heart and that's it.   Cheesy

This applied to all auctions in the past and future ones as well as the thread says. Goodluck!

DO NOT SEND ME A PM WITH PRIV NOTE... UNLESS YOU WIN THE RAFFLE.

If you win yes...if not no! And please send within 24hrs so I can keep track on who won what. Thanks   Cheesy

PLEASE PLACE YOUR INFO AS FOLLOWS WHEN PLACING YOUR LETTER OR NUMBER

A KROGOTHMANHATTAN

It makes my life easier to copy and paste

And it keeps me in a good mood too! Cheesy


4432  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [Reference] Unique, Rare and All Crypto Collectable Posting Thread with LINKS on: April 22, 2019, 06:56:37 PM

Worlds first physical cryptocurrency? What is he high on crack? Roll Eyes


Bitcoin Exhibit Hosted at the Smithsonian Museum
https://www.ccn.com/bitcoin-exhibit-hosted-smithsonian-museum

Thats all they have? Most peoples collections in here will put them to shame...hmmm..i think its time we open up our own! Wink
4433  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [72HR Auction] 2019 Bitcoin Penny LEFT FACING ICG Graded on: April 22, 2019, 06:01:14 PM
0.01BTC
4434  Other / Archival / Re: . on: April 22, 2019, 01:15:47 PM
0.05BTC
4435  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Collecting Community input needed>> Definitions used in our unique hobby on: April 22, 2019, 01:03:19 PM
Edit: and for coin I wouldn't say it's used as money rather a collectable which may or may not contain a specific amount of bitcoin since none of these coins are used as a monetary unit.

   I look at Bitcoin as a currency and thus when Bitbills and Casascius made their idea of Bitcoin into Physical Bitcoins it was not just as collectables but I assume also a way to trade Bitcoin in person without have to register its transaction on Blockchain. Also Casascius wanted to educate people on making it easier for them to understand it in physical form when for some it was hard to grasp Bitcoin in digital format.

   And yes these have turned out as collectables as well, so have Fiat currency coins, they are both collectable items and real currencycoins as well.


Breached or possibly breached - Any coin listed on your thread about them. Don't know if there is a better explanation then that. We all know what it means, but there is no hard and fast rule about it.

ShitcoinForks - Same as above. There is no standard, usually means loaded after the Aug 1 2017 BCH fork but before the Oct 24 2017 BTG fork.
However different people see it differently and "all shit forks" means pre Aug 1. We should probably come up with a standard at least within the forum.
Even I am forced to check when someone posts. I am now actively bidding on something that was listed as "Has all the shitforks" but was loaded Dec 11th 2017 which means no BTG, BCX, BTD. I really don't care, but someone else who did not check the date is was loaded might.

And we might want to use something other then the word shit.

-Dave

Agree Dave...I wouldnt trust what is written on a sale or auction. I would always check the loading date when it comes to this.
             But then again, I wouldnt be bidding on any coin with the other coins in mind as they are not part of any survivor equation
             that I think will be around in the future. When I bid only keep BTC in mind and not the rest. But still a good point.As they
             say in Latin caveat emptor, buyer beware...do your due diligence. ALWAYS.
            
             Agree...the word shit not be used. Perhaps we should just say has Bitcoin and all the other forked BTC versions instead.

 

Some more thoughts:
Buyer funded / seller funded. I think we all know what they mean but a clear hard line might be good. Not sure if it matters but:

krogoth makes a coin. It's a 1BTC sells it for unfunded for .1BTC
If it ships to me and I put 1BTC that's buyer funded.
If it pay 1.1BTC and it ships to me that is seller funded.
If I pay .1BTC to krogoth and send 1BTC to an address that was given is that buyer or seller funded? Logic would dictate that it's buyer funded I put the funds on.


-Dave


        Great points. I think it depends on what level of a collector you see yourself on accepting in your collection.

        If for example I had to choose a Casascius coin loaded by Mike himself or a Cas coin loaded by someone else, I would choose the one by Mike.

        For instance, many people were not aware of loadiing dates either until Monkeynuts posted the auction a few weeks back. As a collector I was always

        looking at loading dates alongside the condition. I would not want to buy a 2011 coin loaded in  2012. Most people dont care. I do.

        I am also a philatelist and in that hobby, there are stamps have what we call CTO, cancelled to order. This is when the post office cancels the stamp

       with a fancy cancel and the stamp and envelope never goes to its destination but rather given to the collector directly. It is used.

        As a die hard stamp collector I would buy the one that was genuinly cancelled and sent thru the mail rather than CTO which is geared for collectors.

       SO it all on how you want to build your collection. I am very conscious of these little things that make the world of a difference for me., but maybe not for

        others.

      
One thing that would always help the newbies and even others would be when anyone posts the coin for sale, I know they put seller funded/Buyer Funded, but very often it happens where I don't see if it's actually funded or not. If they can clearly say if it's funded with so and so amount. or simply that it is not funded, so we know if we are bidding on loaded or unloaded coin.

I actually bought couple of coins because of that confusion and turned out they weren't funded, but didn't wanted to argue or return to seller since I should have done more research and ask questions.

    Agrawas...alway always...check for yourself. Very easy to do. And yes the seller should say loaded or unloaded, but they can also make mistakes.
              Again buyer beware.  Same thing goes for coin makers who have been breached or have shady reps...should that be included in the OP?
              Example, Alitin coin...if a loaded coin comes up like it has on Ebay, I think the seller shouldve mentioned the coin maker had a major breach.
              But he didnt even though I POINTED IT OUT to him. You find honest people and dishonest. Again like to todl Dave F, Caveat Emptor!

              I made the thread that is pinned to the top of our collectable section to make newbies aware of what is out there as I dont think its fair they do not  know. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3315347.0

              Great posts by everyone, Thankyou!  Will update the OP with more definitions!

        
        
4436  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [Auction] The Times 03 Jan 2009 | 10% to FreeRoss.org on: April 21, 2019, 05:55:41 PM
Nice to see a piece of Bitcoin history offered.

A bit too high for me to reach..so will observe on the sidelines.

Goodluck on your sale. Wink

Btw..if you do get to sell at your price...delivery in person is the way to go. For something this expensive and rare...I would never trust anyone else to deliver it safely
4437  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Establishing A Will -With Collectibles In Mind on: April 21, 2019, 12:42:15 PM
Great topic Ty!

Came across this book thru a friend awhile back that am sure will answer a few questions

Cryptoasset Inheritance Planning: A Simple Guide for Owners

Edit: added photo

                     

4438  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Collecting Community input needed>> Definitions used in our unique hobby on: April 21, 2019, 01:27:28 AM
Reserved....

Let the fireworks start Wink
4439  Economy / Collectibles / Collecting Community input needed>> Definitions used in our unique hobby on: April 21, 2019, 01:27:06 AM
      Would like to make a list of definitions we use in our unique hobby
for both new people and seasoned collectors alike.


       And what better place than ask the most seasoned and knowledgeable
people in the Physical Bitcoin Cryptoverse than here?


       That being said...I have listed some definitions down below that
some will agree with and I know others will not. These are my opinions
and thus would like everyone's input as I know there will be lots of disagreements.

          So I welcome everyone 's feedback as it is important not just for
myself...but for everyone else.

        I will only be referring to Bitcoin coins or tokens.



Unloaded...Loadable and no crypto ever loaded onto paper wallet under hologram.

Loaded...Has digital Bitcoin loaded inside paper wallet under hologram.

Peeled coin....Security hologram removed and coin swept from paper wallet...thus private
key exposed. This will essentially transform the Physical Bitcoin coin into
a Bitcoin token.

Breached or possibly breached - [REFERENCE] Breached or Scam coin makers list

Token...symbolic of the item they represent.

Custom value is obvious to us as synonymous with buyer funded

Coin a flat, typically round piece of metal with an official stamp, used as money, in our case digital money.

Bitcoin token ...symbolic of bitcoin only..no digital value loaded. A
token that cannot be loaded with bitcoin or is unloaded...but has a bitcoin symbol on its
face..not loadable or unloaded.

Physical Bitcoin coin:  A coin representing Bitcoin with a paper wallet or any other device loaded with digital Bitcoin in it.
   This usually in most cases contains a security hologram covering the loaded paper wallet or even an NFC device.

To me.....a coin with a btc logo is not a Physical Bitcoin coin..it's a
token..in other words...cannot be used as a means of paying in Bitcoin or as a currency exchange using bitcoin.
A loaded coin can...ex...digital btc exchanged in person without going thru
blockchain. If coin is lost..so is the bitcoin. Unique in the history of coins.

So if an unloaded Bitcoin token has a holo with a loadable paperwallet and
is then loaded with digital bitcoin it will be thus be transformed in to a
Physical Bitcoin coin.
Example...an unloaded Casascius..would become a Physical Bitcoin coin once
loaded.

To me...the definition of a physical bitcoin coin is when a coin has digital btc loaded into
it..ex...Casascius.
     Physical Bitcoin card ..ex...Bitbills.

  Conversely , a Physical Bitcoin coin  peeled and swept will transform into a Bitcoin token.


  
Hologram..security hologram concealing private key but allowing partial or
full public key to be exposed thru hologram.

Firsbits...partial first 5 to 6. Letters or numbers exposed from paper
wallet public key..allowing user to verify loading of coin using blockchain.

Prefork loaded ..loaded before Aug 1st 2017 and containing all coins after
the fork.

Post fork loaded...does not contain all the forked coins the prefork coins
have.

Chip...Physical or Bitcoin token resembles a poker chip in the way its made.

Wallet Cards (NFC, scratch off, security hologram) - physical plastic wallets in card form such as BitBills.

Paper Wallet - while a generic term, paper wallets like Poly and Suisse etc are their own thing too.  Huh

(Physical)Crypto Art- art containing keys such as cryptoart.com collectibles and cryptografitti works

Cold Storage coins - self explanatory

Physical Crypto Bars- Casascius, Kialara, Finite By Design, BigTimeSpaghetti, CoinPlus

Hardware Wallets? Not sure if it fits what you’re looking for

Hardware Wallet Cards- Gox, Mycelium etc

Crypto hardware Yubikeys - Gox etc

Crypto Bullion - self explanatory

Commemorative Bitcoin coins - reaching probably here / same as token maybe  


HODL vs. SODL => "The key to HODL is knowing when to SODL" (from medium.com)
FODL => if you sell BTC, you are basically FODLing (in the medium to long run)
A NODL is this full node: https://www.nodl.it/
BUIDL (I believe Vitalik came up with this term...) has been touted by crypto advocates as the thing people in the crypto space should really be focusing on.

- Redeemed / Peeled / Swept
- SHA-256 Private Key
- Mintage
- DIY
- GILT
- COA / Certificate of Authenticity
- Grading Services (ANACS / ICG)
- Freshly Minted Bits (BTCC) or Virgin BTC
 

 
  
 



4440  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: [DAILY FREE RAFFLE] 256th JUST BECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD FREE BITCOIN on: April 20, 2019, 06:00:23 PM
6- cumakoff

6 wins!!!!

 https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/block/0000000000000000002820cd2a21a3e6e89f54cff88a4f018b36fa6130b1c0a6


Congratulations   !!!

Thankyou all for participating and see you again Tuesday!  Cheesy
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