Sadly this forum has mostly become unusable for it's intended purpose. ICO campaigns and the (largely) South East Asian shitposters they pay to spam or copy and paste whatever rubbish they can be bothered to churn out have ruined this forum. Also, because we have a system where the only way you can gain rank and a bigger signature is to make hundreds of posts you have countless users just shitposting as fast as they can over multiple accounts to try hit the required rank. I wouldn't be against what you suggested being implemented and I have suggested something similar that people with self-moderated threads can choose to restrict it by whatever memberclass they choose. However, with your request I think you're forgetting newbies quite quickly become Juniors and then Members etc so it will be largely useless and that's why the problems here are much more complex than just ranks.

Not really, but buying/selling hacked accounts is against the rules. Regardless, good luck trying to get an admin to unban it, especially if you can't provide a verifiable signed message.

I can't comment on this situation yet as I haven't looked into it but if I recall correctly that dafar account was pretty much a troll account that disappeared and reappeared for long periods of time. Wouldn't surprise me if it was sold at some point as well:


Examples of troll threads:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=370954.msg3963310#msg3963310
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343829.msg3683215#msg3683215
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=359228.msg3843619#msg3843619
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=382329.msg4107977#msg4107977
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=394324.msg4252642#msg4252642

I think there's going to be some real issues with unreputable people running signature campaigns here in the near future. For a starters most don't do what they're supposed to and many are already exploited by account farmers and spammers ect due to the managers inexperience, laziness and incompetence. Wouldn't surprise me if some of them are just siphoning off funds to their own alts or at worse run off with the campaigns funds.

Palace have had a couple of other great chances and just missed an open goal. I wouldn't be backing Spurs in this game now especially for more than a goal. It might be worth checking for odds on a 0-1 or 1-1 game. Doesn't look like my 4-0 is going to come in lol.

How do you work that out? As explained above, donations are not used to pay staff and next to nobody is donating. Staff are paid exclusively out of advertisement revenue and donations continue to be used in development of the new forum software.

Well seeing as you bought it nobody is going to have any sympathy for you. Who did you buy it from because you very likely bought a hacked account.

Why do you care about an avatar? So you can join a bounty? I think it would be a bad idea to let newbies have avatars because it would just lead to even more abuse by people trying to imposter themselves as veteran users.

Spurs v Palace game is 0-0 at half time  . Palace haven't been too bad and were very unlucky not to get a goal. Could see them even pinching a win if Spurs don't step up their game. If Spurs don't get a win this is looking like a terrible week for most of us.

Looks like a possibly hacked/sold account. Did you buy it? Can you sign a message from an old address associated with the account? Did you have any other accounts banned as well?

Fixtures for this week:

Stoke v Leicester
Huddersfield v WBA
Newcastle v Bournemouth
Southampton v Burnley
Swansea v Brighton
West Ham v Liverpool
Spurs v Crystal Palace
Man city v Arsenal
Chelsea v Man Utd
Everton v Watford

A load of shitty unpredictable games this week in my opinion. I could see a load of nil nil draws or at best very low scoring games. The only matches worth watching are the sunday games to be honest.

Why were you concerned about Lauda trust abusing before he left you feedback? This still looks like you were concerned about something that must have been effecting you.

Anyway, it's not trust abuse. People are free to leave feedback as they wish and many do for account sales. The fact of the matter is a huge number of accounts you've admitted to having farmed/botted are now being used to shill for ICOs and sig spamming etc whether you sold them directly or not.

You posted it after you created this thread, but granted, not before you were exposed:

Buying or selling bitcointalk account give you negative trust, agree ?
Today at 04:59:02 AM

Re: Security bounties
Today at 08:16:06 AM
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I have sent Theymos a PM.

But that is still irrelevant to the concern here.



You're the one making the argument that account sales is not against the rules therefore the feedback is unjust. The feedback system is policed by the communiuty not the forum rules. How many times do you need this explaining?

Stop double posting.


Feedback is left on opinion. It is Lauda's (and others) belief that account farming, account selling and cheating giveaways is immoral. Giving feedback is not just left for violating the rules either; it's left by users for practices the community feels are bad. Again, scamming isn't against the rules but are you going to complain about scammers receiving negative feedback now just because it's not against the rules to scam? No, or course not.

It wasn't contrary to the rules, there are no rules that prohibit users from leaving feedback against account sellers or farmers. I personally don't think the forum should allow accounts to be sold here anymore because it just facilitates scams and other such nefarious activity. If we disallowed account sales and removed signatures from ranks this whole shitshow would be stopped almost completely. And what does PMing theymos have to do with anything? Also, it's right after you've just been exposed for farming. What have you told him? Way's he can stop account farming via the way you did?


Yeah, and so can farming/selling accounts, which is what has happened to the ones you at least farmed, hence why you've got the feedback.

I really don't buy or believe your concern is limited to lauda just leaving bought/sold accounts negative feedback that have nothing to do with you and you just wanted a quick rule check. I think you are involved in some way hence the concern. Anyway, as I've said above, account sales aren't against the rules but neither is scamming, but many users see it as nefarious activity and they are free to leave feedback as they wish.

That sounds like bullshit to me. I suspect it's very likely you're only concerned because someone has given an account you are involved with negative for such practice. Anyway, this thread has served it's purpose and you have got your answer: Yes, technically account sales are not disallowed as per forum rules, but also yes, the community usually looks down upon such business and many users will leave negative feedback if caught (which is not against the rules either nor will they be removed by admins). You have been caught and admitted farming accounts with bots which have then gone on to be used to scam or facilitate scams whether or not you are in fact directly involved with said scams or the sale of the accounts.

I don't have any and only admins have access to that info, but it's irrelevant. If you sold the accounts then of course they will be using different IPs. Again, why are you avoiding the question of why you created this thread? You're obviously hiding something. Why are you concerned about the rules and etiquette of feedback on sold/bought accounts.

I somehow doubt you're the only user on here from whatever country you're in, but I'm sure you used proxies so IPs are irrelevant. And yes, you could have denied them being yours so I'll give you that, but there is proof that they belong to you:



Again, can you answer why you created this thread? Why are you concerned about the issue if it apparently doesn't directly effect you? You may or may not have been directly involved with selling them, but your concern in the op has me suspicious.


I wouldn't be against limiting accounts to one per IP even though it can easily be bypassed, but it would stop half of these idiots kids who have 100 accounts on one IP and couldn't even work out how to use a proxy. Personally, I think a better solution would be for signatures to be removed from ranks completely and to have one you have to donate to the forum. This would instantly stop all this nonsense with shitposting account farming and account sales almost 100%. The forum can't continue as it is because it's now just a place for south east Asians just to shitpost or copy and paste using their half a dozen accounts each.

That's a bullshit excuse. I remember the bots only stopped when you were questioned about it. Why did the "test" carry on for months until you got caught? Also, can you answer what your motive was to create this thread in the first place? You wouldn't ask if it didn't directly concern you in some way.

Yes. However, you can donate any amount you wish to the forum here: https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html




This is a terrible idea. Nobody wants to verify their identify just to be able to post on a message board forum and it's a huge security risk. I certainly wouldn't do it. I don't necessarily disagree on some restrictions being implemented like only one account is allowed to sign up per IP but these can still be easily bypassed.