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4441  Other / Ivory Tower / Re: Covid-19 could have been a lot worse - could a blood poisoning virus end us? on: April 08, 2020, 06:05:53 PM
I think we could have taken a more recent example of a virus rather than going back to the 1600s, but since you've started the thread with that, I have correction to make. The bubonic plague was (is) a bacterial infection; and not a viric infection. The difference may seem futile, but from a biological viewpoitn, it's not. Bacteria are alive; viruses are not (they are DNA or RNA inside some lipid body).

Yeah there's a bit of a difference in how they function but they're still pathogenic and it was more of a myth dispeller since a lot of the scientific community still believes it'll kill 95% of people.

Both pandemics had (still have) its greatest impact in Africa, and then spread to more "developed" countries.

The Medical Research Council Clinical Trials Unit from London did some research on that, and placed the death ratio on almost 41 pacients out of every 1000. So 4.1% before 1996. That number has decreased quite a lot in the last couple of years, since retroviral treatments are being more effective, and I recall a recent news article saying that there had been a person that got rid of the virus (first case).
I'm not sure about getting rid of the virus or whether it's possible but it's definitely possible to prevent the virus from spreading as much and inhibiting it's reproduction rate dramatically. I've also heard of successful drug trials for pregnant women, whereby the baby was HIV negative from a HIV positive mother.

That 4.1% might seems like a low number compared to the evola numbers you put, but there have been way more cases of HIV than of Ebola in developed countries, and thus, the higher mortality rate.

Apart from that, even if these all are viruses, they come from different families, so they are not really "the same" thing

A death rate of 4.1% is very close to my potential 5% in the OP and both are subject to everyone getting the medical treatment they need as it is required.
Viruses are able to replicate and evolve at a much higher rate than humans are, and such it may not be impossible for one virus to mutate it's way into being from blood transmittable to airbourne.

4442  Economy / Lending / Re: I loan in bitcoin with interest rate on: April 08, 2020, 05:52:52 PM
You're better off moving your thread to the lending section: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=65.0

You might also want to take a look at some threads already set up there to get an idea of what people are expecting.
4443  Economy / Services / Re: email crypto marketing 2020 on: April 08, 2020, 05:46:23 PM
I fell like this sort of data is sold too much these days. I'm sure I've ended up on a few mailing lists and there's nothing I've gotten through from anywhere crypto related that I haven't considered to be a scam...

Most of them are obvious scams with just bitcoin in the name and the rest are just something I probably wouldn't click on unless I could be bothered to research it.
4444  Other / Ivory Tower / Covid-19 could have been a lot worse - could a blood poisoning virus end us? on: April 08, 2020, 03:51:52 AM
So I was reflecting on stats from other viruses in comparison to coronavirus. While bubonic plague killed 95% of infectants in 1666, it wouldn't cause as serious a problem now if it became a pandemic (which is unlikely because I haven't met anyone with a pet flea)...

However, ebola has been known to kill in the west and has statistics of around 10-20% mortality rate associated with it in developed countries even if people are hooked up to external circulatory and ventilation systems - taking ebola as an example I'd suggest:
5-20% mortality rates
40-60% machine aided circulation and ventilation
80-100% hospitalisations (this may just have been on the safe side in the past but it seems like it'd likely happen this way again at least to start with)...
(these figures assume we have an abundance of all resources)

Of course, ebola didn't travel throuugh the air, it travelled through blood. But there may come a time when a virus like this occurs (airbourne and affects immune system cells in the blood) in which case we're almost all fucked.

People living on remote islands have a potential to get infected too since I think it's been proven that a wind can take a virus up into the atmosphere - below freezing point - and keep bringing it back down. It only has to come down once in the right place to affect others.


Side note: if there was a really intelligent alien species, what's the chances they've made a tube that's currently floating towards us carrying one of these viruses......
4445  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Best practice for storing small bits of arbitrary data on the blockchain? on: April 08, 2020, 12:46:12 AM
I mean there are probably a few bits you could scrape from the lock time value but that'll also be very limited and it'll have to be a block height that has already passed...

20 bytes is what would be needed to store unique identifiers on the chain afaik so it's what you're going to have to put up with... But why you think others should download whatever junk you dump on there confuses me... Try it once or twice don't use 12+ kb of space that no one else can use for anything...
4446  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Best practice for storing small bits of arbitrary data on the blockchain? on: April 07, 2020, 11:06:04 PM
Are you sure it was the whitepaper? He published the title of a headline in the first block that was made (can't remember what it said now) if you open the first blk file bitcoin core downloads you can see what he wrote.

If you're after a way of storing data there are some solutions such as storj that link you up with people renting out hard drive space...

You can have other solutions as well such as only checking message that are from, to or contain a certain address... But you'd also have to check no one sabatages that so it might be better to just look at transactions FROM if you did try to go through with something like this.
4447  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Best practice for storing small bits of arbitrary data on the blockchain? on: April 07, 2020, 10:12:33 PM

I was not aware of the 20 byte limit. That would also be problematic for storing text that you wanted to keep private or secure, since encryption could inflate the text so you would probably have to use some combo of encryption and encoding to get the job done it sounds like.

 I think the "bitcoin isnt made for this" begins to step into the ethical debate which isn't really my focus, but I also believe that as long as bitcoin allows for such a use case even though it wasn't intended for that it does not matter very much. Ultimately, if it becomes a problem for the bitcoin ecosystem as a whole then it will force a solution to be created or bitcoin will fail. Relying on everyone to abide by some ethical standard isn't a great practice so instead of saying "bitcoin should not be used for this" I think the argument should be focused around "If or when bitcoin is used for this..how do we solve for x?". In a way, relying on everyone to stick to what bitcoin should be used for means you're trusting humans to do behave a certain way which goes entirely against the grain of what bitcoin is about at its fundamental core, which is taking away the need to trust humans to behave a certain way.

Merging encoding and encryption functions is probably a good idea. As well as trying to symmetrically encrypt any private data, storing keys elsewhere...

Blockchain isn't designed for data storage. It can facilitate it but shouldn't be used directly for it... For the experienced - it's incredibly slow to access at least and for the novice it's just difficult to implement... Even not looking at the ethics of it it's still something that most consider.
4448  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Best practice for storing small bits of arbitrary data on the blockchain? on: April 07, 2020, 07:51:24 PM
No matter what chain you use, you're almost certainly better trying to compress the data you want to store so it becomes cheaper.

I don't know about other chains but bitcoin only allows 20 bytes of optional universal data per transaction. Some encoding strategies like run length encoding or other methodologies can help maintain data in a way. Also storing text as an alphabet or alphanumeric characters can be stored in 5 bytes or 6 bytes respectively and can use sub versions of bytes to store even more.

But bitcoins blockchain isn't made for handling this and will just push fees up for everyone else...
4449  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is this A Misdirected Coin? on: April 07, 2020, 06:20:02 PM
@OP, can you release the amount of coin that's been credited to your account or the order of it (i.e 0.1,0.01,0.001,.0001,.00001...

If it's just a tiny amount it might have been some dust someone was trying to use up or something or an accidental mistype.

What exchange is the address on, is it well known and well reviewed as the others have said? If it's not well reviewed it could be some sort of deposit scam.
4450  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [SCAM] creativebitco.in - Ponzi Scheme on: April 07, 2020, 06:08:36 PM
Are we not just meant to use "if it sounds too good to be true it probably is"?

This looks like an obvious scam and an unoriginal one at that (2.5x after 200 hours).
4451  Economy / Lending / Re: Why should i want to get a loan? on: April 06, 2020, 09:55:51 PM
Generally for whatever purpose you have that requires it... Weird topic to make though, if you don't know maybe you shouldn't try.

Generally:
trading - you want to invest in two assets at once so take a loan using the first as collateral
Speculating - don't want to sell your crypto but know you're getting funds in soon then you could get those funds and offer crypto as collateral...
4452  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Recovering Encrypted Private Keys (AES) Please help on: April 06, 2020, 09:39:08 PM
A private key is mathematical operation on your key so you won't be able to get the output... Its a bit like a remainder function, you won't be able to reverse engineer it.

The hash can be used to attempt to brute force your password if you have any info on what it could be?

Even if you know it was a certain number of characters (below 12-16) in length.
4453  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Look at the setup that is developing right now for crypto on: April 06, 2020, 09:33:52 PM
I'm guessing we're going to see a spike at some point...

Since the crash happened now, property prices generally take 18 months to collapse following the stock market crashes. Some funds following the stock markets in real estate have taken a 60% hit... I can imagine this continuing quite a bit, especially since governments haven't offered any stimulus to renters and a lot will stop paying and get evicted i reckon...

I'd still be expecting to see a nice exponential bitcoin spike in the next 18 months...
4454  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's Correlation with Stocks is Dropping on: April 06, 2020, 08:43:22 PM
Now, this got me thinking what's behind this recovery for bitcoin. Is this now being correlated to the recent US' stimulus efforts?

That was completely missed by me until someone brought it up on another thread. It's possible since gold is no longer really an uninflated asset that people are turning to bitcoin as the government's inherently have no control over its function and there's 21 million until the community technocratically decides otherwise.
4455  Economy / Economics / I think we can take pride that we didn't need a stimulus bill for btc on: April 06, 2020, 06:28:54 PM
Most of the world and governments seem interested in trying to keep companies afloat and stock markets looking promising by pumping huge funds into them and trying to keep liquidity high. I think we should start to be cautious but still more assured of the strength of bitcoin and the cryptocurrency world as a whole...

We rebounded from 3800 to 6000 pretty quickly and at a greater strength than the S&P of ftse rebounding.... Maybe the smart minds really are in and backing crypto these days... Just something to reflect on there....
4456  Other / Off-topic / Re: Coronavirus Stats on: April 06, 2020, 06:03:32 PM
You're not going to do well publishing the stats unless it's with Germany or South Korea. No one else has the neccessary testing equipment, they're just testing the sick people.
The health board of the UK suggests it's a conservative 0.6%, the scientific community put their at worst estimate for developed countries to be around 1-1.6%.

Recovereds definitely aren't tested either - more peopel recover from the infecction than die but worldometer had it at a confirmed rate of less than 50%
4457  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's Correlation with Stocks is Dropping on: April 06, 2020, 05:59:33 PM
There may have been some differences between the two crashes:
1. The stock market crashed because many companies were expected to fail under the pressures of the pandemic
2. Bitcoin collapsed because some people expected a huge collapse since the stock market lost 5 trillion and bitcoin only lost <100 billion in market cap and had a lot lower market cap to start with... There was also no offered bailout strategy with bitcoin as there was to the stock market - and look how much better it's done already at rebounding...
4458  Other / Meta / Re: Why I cannot delete posts in Archival? on: April 06, 2020, 05:55:24 PM
You should be able to make threads in archival.

I think you can only delete a thread if it hasn't had any views yet so if you're planning on looking at something as a public user then you're almost definitely going to have problems with this (i.e. checking how something looks on a different device)... And someone might just immediately click it.
4459  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin&Altcoins - Fake Investment Products That Pollute the Environment on: April 06, 2020, 05:51:29 PM
Why is bitcoin a fake investment product? Or, to put it another way, how do we even differentiate between real and fake ones. Well, it's easy. In a real investment product, your investment of property or work is invested into something actual, which in the future, can provide you similar benefit. In a fake investment product, your investment is not actually invested into something, but is rather, just transferred from you as a new investor to old investor. Historically, there is no exception to the rule that all such products end up collapsing.

Bitcoin is a replacement for cash. The same you have just said there is the same that could be said about cash? You're investing in something (or earning somethiing) that is just going to not be worth anything in the future but is just a change of state. Your hours turn to $Łeuro or btc and then you can choose to invest them into other stuff.

the interesting part isn't the currency itself but it's what you could do with the power of the blockchain. It's both overestimated and underestimated in its power. But if we go off current ideas and lots of things such as real estate and stocks are put on the chain, we use the current legislation:
1. You list a house for sale, and allow for viewings, signing your key to suggest you own it
2. Someone makes an offer you want to accept
3. A multisig is entered into with your house, their funds, and two solicitors to authenticate everything (or just a registrar instead of solicitors).
4. The house sale can go ahead if all conditions in the multisig contract are fulfilled. Different entities such as your serveyor and builder could be added to the contract so you don't have to search for/order paperwork.

Similar products such as decentralised finance are becoming available too, such as up to 8%/3%/1% on DAI/ETH/BTC...
4460  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Crypto over health on: April 06, 2020, 05:24:02 PM
My biology classes always taught that salive from a cough can travel up to 3 metres. People either underestimate or overestimate the 2 metre distance as is so you're better off sticking with 4 where you can...

the problem is that nobody knows that much about coronavirus yet. all these values are for all previous cases. for instance for Flu virus they say 3-4 distance meters is where the virus can travel when someone sneezes. but for this new virus the distance is unknown, some say it is 8-9 meters as it can travel through air.

It's bigger and rounder than the flu virus so it should really travel a shorter distance but these sorts of things havent been tested but it's known cough particulates cant travel further than 8 metres so I'd put the distance there.

There have been reports that viruses have been able to travel across the Pacific on air currents high in the atmosphere... Whether these have actually happened or not isn't really that well known but viruses can generally get everywhere by blowing in the wind so I wouldn't even include it...
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