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4441  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoins for groceries? on: April 15, 2012, 10:52:00 AM
Would it interest anyone if there was Bitcoin Grocers? 
Yes.

How it works:
You place the order online and allow 1 hour for pickup which would be done at Customer Service or a booth setup in the grocery store. Then you give the representative your online receipt and on your way you go…home to cook.
Actually, a number of major grocery stores already do online orders with home delivery. All we need to do is convince them to accept bitcoins as payment.

Stipulations:
• Only large major grocery stores
Why? The great thing about bitcoins is that anyone can accept them, with no limits.

• Frozen & Refrigerated items you will have to wait a moment for as they will get put in bags when you get there. (For health reasons)
Or delivered in refrigerated trucks.

• No return items
Again, why? Not only is this trivial to do (customer presents the goods and their receipt, along with an address for the refund, and they get their bitcoins back), it's actually illegal not to do it in most jurisdictions.
4442  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Armory - Discussion Thread on: April 15, 2012, 03:34:32 AM
Synaptic knows what dependencies and versions it needs, and will do it The Right Way for you. 

Unless one of the dependencies conflicts with your current version of libc6, and APT decides the best way to resolve the situation is to uninstall libc6. Shocked The fact that the following command:
Code:
apt-get -f install libstdc++6 g++-4.4 gcc-4.4-base gcc-4.4 libstdc++6-4.4-dev libgmp10 libmpfr4 cpp-4.4 libgcc1 libgcc1 libgfortran3 libgomp1 libquadmath0 libc6-dev libc6 libc-dev-bin make pkg-config libc-bin locales
appears more than once in my .bash_history would seem to indicate that Synaptic does not always know what the Hell it is doing. Angry
</rant>
4443  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Armory - Discussion Thread on: April 15, 2012, 02:55:22 AM
(1) I can see why that line should trigger an error, but I can't seem to trigger it myself.  Bizarre.  Either way I committed and pushed a fix.  Let me know if there's still a problem.
Fixed. Don't forget, order matters with the and operator. If the first operand evaluates to false, the second operand won't be evaluated at all, since the and operator is guaranteed to return false regardless of what the second operand is. This is why that line didn't cause an error when the Internet connection was detected successfully: the erroneous expression was never evaluated. The same thing happens with the or operater if the first operand is true.

(2) I just added (and tested) a new command-line argument:  "--nettimeout=X" where X is the number of seconds.  I pushed that with the above fix.  Yes, that's one's for you, Foxpup Smiley
Thank you. Smiley

(3) I already mentioned the package: it's pyqt4-dev-tools.  More-specifically (for other distros) you need to have pyrcc4 in your path.  The "directions" I was referring to in my previous post were for installing pyqt4-dev-tools on an offline computer... i.e. your offline computer doesn't have internet, how do you install it?  (it's pretty easy in Ubuntu, actually, if you know what buttons to press).
Well I'm guessing (and this is pure speculation on my part) that you'd install it the same way you installed all the other dependencies for Armory? And Armory itself for that matter? Roll Eyes
4444  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I've just written a new article about bitcoins on: April 15, 2012, 02:02:49 AM
Don't put that in, he doesn't know what he's talking about. To say a currency is "backed" by something means that the issuer promises to exchange that currency for something at a certain exchange rate. eg, back when dollars were backed by gold, you could walk into any bank and exchange your dollars for actual gold. Bitcoins are not backed by the electricity or processing power used to create them, and as a matter of fact they're not backed by anything. Gold isn't backed by anything either, and neither is fiat money anymore. Bitcoins (and gold) have value because they are scarce (there's no way to produce more after the inital supply runs out) and because they are useful as a medium of exchange (you can buy things with them). That's it. They're not backed by anything nor do they have to be in order to be valuable.
4445  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Armory - Discussion Thread on: April 15, 2012, 01:34:28 AM
It seems to work fine except for crashing in flames if it can't detect my crappy Internet connection:

Code:
Loading Armory Engine:
   Armory Version:       0.72
   PyBtcAddress Version: 1.00
   PyBtcWallet  Version: 1.35
Detected Operating system: Linux
   User home-directory   : /home/foxpup
   Satoshi BTC directory : /home/foxpup/.bitcoin/
   Satoshi blk0001.dat   : /home/foxpup/.bitcoin/blk0001.dat
   Armory home dir       : /home/foxpup/.armory/
/home/foxpup/.armory/ArmorySettings.txt True
Using settings file: /home/foxpup/.armory/ArmorySettings.txt
Loading wallets...
Number of wallets read in: 1
   Wallet (7FVyhG1d):     "Primary Wallet                    "    (No Encryption)
Internet connection is Available:  False
Satoshi Client is Available:       True
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "ArmoryQt.py", line 1786, in <module>
    form = ArmoryMainWindow(opts=CLI_OPTIONS)
  File "ArmoryQt.py", line 95, in __init__
    self.setupNetworking()
  File "ArmoryQt.py", line 587, in setupNetworking
    dlg = DlgBadConnection(self.internetAvail, self.satoshiAvail, self, self)
  File "/home/foxpup/BitcoinArmory/qtdialogs.py", line 6929, in __init__
    if not haveInternet and not self.main.ignoreblk:
AttributeError: 'ArmoryMainWindow' object has no attribute 'ignoreblk'

So, uh, what's the package I need for it to work offline?
4446  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Home brew lager/beer for bitcoin on: April 14, 2012, 04:42:21 PM
I know it illegal to sell alcohol without a licence but would bitcoin get around that problem as technically/legally speaking its not money.

What exactly is the definition of "sale of alcohol" in your juristiction? I think you'll find that it does not actually require the medium of exchange to be legal tender (otherwise people would just use foreign currencies get around it). I think you'll also have a hard time convincing a judge that a fungible commodity (which is what bitcoin is) with the word "coin" in the name is not technically money.
4447  Other / Off-topic / Re: A petition to stop theymos from... on: April 14, 2012, 02:49:15 PM
French is Gay (IMHO)

Peut-ętre que oui. Quoi de mal ŕ cela? Kiss
4448  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MintChip challenge - Vote for Bitcoin! on: April 14, 2012, 02:29:29 PM
Quote
4. Winner Selection: The twenty-five (25) Submissions that receive the most verified and confirmed votes will be declared finalists (the “Finalists”). The Finalists will then have their Submissions judged on the following three criteria:

a. Quality of the idea;
b. Feasibility of implementation; and
c. Potential impact on MintChip offerings and electronic payment technology.

5. The ten (10) Finalists whose Submissions score the highest by the judging panel will become potential winner of a Top 10 Prize (as defined in greater details hereinafter).

a. It's clearly a brilliant idea.
b. Bitcoin/MintChip exchanges will likely spring up within a day of MintChip being released.
c. Ah, well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad! Cheesy
4449  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Measurement of Difficulty on: April 14, 2012, 01:51:27 PM
I think he means 0 to 65535

2^16 is always 65536, regardless of whether you count from 0 or from 1. The number is exactly 2^48/(2^16-1). I thought I could simplify things by saying it was 2^32, but that plan didn't seem to work as intended. Roll Eyes
4450  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Help: Block chain won't catch up on: April 14, 2012, 07:55:50 AM
First of all, to back up your wallet, assuming you're using the standard client, find the wallet.dat file in your bitcoin directory (location depends on operating system) and copy it to a safe location. Given the amount of money you've got, you really should be backing up your wallet at regular intervals anyway, even if you don't plan on reinstalling anything, in case your hard drive goes kaput and you lose everything or something else bad happens.

However, you probably don't need to reinstall bitcoin. It sounds like your copy of the blockchain may be corrupt. Assuming you're using the standard bitcoin client, close bitcoin, backup the files blk0001.dat and blkindex.dat in your bitcoin directory to another directory (note that you'll need a spare 1.5 GB of disk space), delete the originals, then restart bitcoin. This will cause it to download the whole blockchain again from scratch.

If it can't download the blockchain again at all, then you've got a network problem, and you should copy the blk0001.dat and blkindex.dat files back (after closing bitcoin) so that you don't have to download the blockchain again after you fix it.

If it is able to download the blockchain again without any problems, see if it can get past the troublesome block this time around and update successfully. If so, then the problem was that your original copy of the blockchain was corrupt, and you can delete your backup of the corrupt files, because there's no point keeping them around.
4451  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MintChip challenge - Vote for Bitcoin! on: April 14, 2012, 06:16:57 AM
BTW i do not see anything about bitcoin on the first page of this mintchip ideas page http://ideas.mintchipchallenge.com/ so bitcoin either fell dramatically from the top spot, or the mintchip moderators removed it by force(please note: i did zero due diligence on this one (I'm drinking)). also suspect is that the comment count on all ideas now shows as 0 (on google chrome at least) what up wit dat?

Try sorting by number of votes rather than by date (this is why you shouldn't post when drinking).
4452  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Coinapult - send Bitcoin over email in seconds on: April 14, 2012, 04:37:33 AM
Honestly, I hadn't considered PGP support, because so few people use it. Now that you mention it, though, it might not be too hard to implement. Say:

1. received email address
2. checked for public key associated with it
3. if found, sign the message before sending

I'll look into it a bit more. Right now, though, I don't see any downside to such an arrangement.

Searching for public keys by email address is not reliable, as some people don't (and in some cases don't want to) have their public key on a keysever. Also, most keyservers don't verify keys, so it's all too easy for someone to upload a bogus key to the keyserver to prevent people from being able to receive their bitcoins (or steal the bitcoins, if they have access to the recipient's email). A better idea is to allow public key files to uploaded or copy/pasted, and/or specified by URL.

Also, I think you mean encrypt the message before sending. Signing it won't achieve anything. Wink
4453  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin + Tor on: April 14, 2012, 03:05:28 AM
Tracing transactions to IP addresses flat out doesn't work, since it only gives you the IP address of the node that relayed the transaction, not the node the issued it. For example, my most recent transaction was relayed by an IP address in Sverdlovsk, Russia which is almost, but not quite, on the other side of the world from my real location in Australia. I don't think there's any point in using Tor for Bitcoin. You can if you want, but I don't think it accomplishes anything.

There are two ways transactions can be traced, and Tor will not protect you from either of them: first, investigators could try to put names to bitcoin addresses, which could be done fairly easily if you buy or sell bitcoins using a non-anonymous payment method. Second, they can ignore bitcoin completely and focus on the physical delivery of the goods you're buying/selling with bitcoin. Any number of things could attract attention to your deliveries, and once they track the package to your location, you're busted, and they won't really care where the money came from.
4454  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Coinapult - send Bitcoin over email in seconds on: April 13, 2012, 01:53:05 PM
a confirmation email sent to the from address would also be a nice feature

For what purpose? As far as I can tell, the only reason the from address is needed at all is so that the person receiving the email has a chance of recognising the sender and not deleting the email on sight (after all, the email does look suspiciously like some sort of weird scam).
4455  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin Value on: April 13, 2012, 01:40:57 PM
What bothers me is that the arbitrary total of 21 million BTC is far less than the total number of human beings alive today.  This is far less then 1 BTC per person, at a certain point any transaction in BTC will be completed in fractional values so small as to make the currency completely unwieldy.  This is despite my belief that an alternate currency by choice sounds like a great idea.
Each bitcoin is divisible down to 8 decimal places. There is nothing "unwieldy" about using these fractional values, you just use different units, eg 1 mBTC = 0.001 BTC, 1 µBTC = 0.000001 BTC, etc. It's not like we have to actually mint really tiny coins or anything. Cheesy

Every see a silver penny? It's pretty unwieldy.

You think that's unwieldy? My wallet contains the equivalent of thousands of pennies. It's a real nuisance when I'm trying to pay the grocery bill. But that's nothing compared to my savings account. It contains millions of pennies. How do you suppose the bank keeps track of them all? It boggles the mind! Shocked
4456  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: please explain the exchange rate for me on: April 13, 2012, 12:56:33 PM
f some one is dominating over the distributed system, isn't it something l can put that he/orshe owns the market and can shut it down without any other effort then money? And if the system is technically cannot be shut down by the government it can be shut down by a couple of rich individuals and then it makes no sense to participate the system where major share of the currency is frozen and even though people are willing to sell something in most cases nobody can buy it because there is no money available?

Is not it considered unsafe for the market?"


What he said Tongue

There are currently about 9 million bitcoins in existence today, and the current exchange rate is about $5 per bitcoin. So someone could just buy all the bitcoins in existence for around $45 million, right? Wrong! First of all, not all of the bitcoins in existence are for sale on the markets. If you offered to buy everyone's bitcoins for $5 each, you'd only end up with a tiny fraction of the bitcoins in circulation, because most people just aren't interested in selling their bitcoins. At least not for $5. If you want to buy more bitcoins, you'll need to offer a higher price to convince the more stubborn sellers to part with their precious coins. So the more you want to buy, the higher the price becomes. Looking at it another way, if someone buys some bitcoins, the bitcoins still in circulation become rarer (because there are less of them) and therefore more valuable. That's just supply and demand. There's just no way anyone could buy all the bitcoins.

The other thing to keep in mind is that bitcoins can be divided into as small units as you like. Even if you own the very last bitcoin on the planet (the other bitcoins having been bought by an insane trillionaire with apparently nothing better to do with his money than to try to collapse an economy), and that single remaining bitcoin is worth (say) a billion dollars (but you're not going to sell it to that evil trillionaire, oh no, not even for a billion dollars), you'll still be able to buy a burrito for 0.00000001 bitcoins, no problem (if for no other reason than that the seller does want to sell his small piece of the billion-dollar bitcoin).

One last thing: not all of the bitcoins that are going to exist, exist yet. Even if someone did manage to buy all the bitcoins currently in existence, new bitcoins are constantly being mined, and miners are under no obligation to sell their coins, for any price.
4457  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Coinapult - send Bitcoin over email in seconds on: April 13, 2012, 07:57:23 AM
A few usability pointers regarding the email messages (keeping in mind that they will be read by people who may not have heard of Bitcoin before):

Your from field should read: "Coinapult" <emailaddress>
It is very important that you format your from field like this.

Your subject line should read something like: $sender has sent you some bitcoins!
Since the whole point of Coinapult is to send bitcoins to people who don't know what Bitcoin is, and by extension would have no idea what Coinapult is, saying "You've been hit with the Coinapult" does not convey any useful information, and would most likely be interpreted as spam due to the weirdness of it.

The body of the email should:
* Start out by saying $sender has sent you $amount bitcoins using Coinapult.
* Then explain what bitcoins are, in the simplest terms possible (but no simpler).
* Explain that if they don't already have a bitcoin wallet, they'll need to either download a bitcoin client or sign up for an online wallet service; and provide instructions for doing so.
* Then provide the link to claim the bitcoins.
* Provide an assurance that no fee is required to receive the bitcoins and that no personal information will be requested at any time. (Otherwise most people will see it as yet another "Get free money now! After paying a large transaction fee upfront" scam)
* Inform them that if the bitcoins are not claimed within 30 days they will be refunded to the sender.
* Then finally put the sender's message.

8.) Security.  SMTP messages are transferred clear text.  That means that if your service starts becoming popular that there is then an economic incentive for a sysadmin at the ISP or at the e-mail hosting service or somewhere between Coinapult and the recipient to heist the coins.  By simply adding a filter, every message that comes from Coinapult gets special attention by the scammer who redeems the coins, never with even a slight chance of getting caught.

E-mail is just not a secure method for transmitting essentially what is a negotiable bearer instrument  (the URL to claim the money).  This would be the same risk that exists when sending Mt. Gox Redeemable Voucher codes thorough e-mail, which is not recommended either.
Yes, this is an issue (and an extremely serious one), but judging by the number of companies (including banks Shocked) that send passwords and other sensitive data in plaintext email, and the fact that almost nobody uses or has even heard about PGP, I'm forced to conclude that nobody actually cares about security in the slightest, even if their money is at stake. The only difference here is that bitcoins are anonymous, so now people can steal your money with virtually no chance of being caught. I don't know what to suggest either (apart from lamenting the typical person's apathetic attitude towards email security).
4458  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: cryptocoin.info hacked? on: April 13, 2012, 06:40:03 AM
Another update:

cryptocoin.info and
filenetworking.com are down with all associated subdomains.  Huh

Looks like HostGator (their hosting provider) got wise to their little scheme. In retrospect, it might have been an idea to just tell them what their servers were being used for, but I just assumed they were in on it the whole time. Why else would anyone use a commercial hosting company for a highly public hack? HostGator doesn't accept bitcoins, either, so I wonder if the hackers were also dumb enough to pay for the hosting with an account in their own name... now that would be ironic. Grin
4459  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin Value on: April 13, 2012, 05:54:30 AM
What bothers me is that the arbitrary total of 21 million BTC is far less than the total number of human beings alive today.  This is far less then 1 BTC per person, at a certain point any transaction in BTC will be completed in fractional values so small as to make the currency completely unwieldy.  This is despite my belief that an alternate currency by choice sounds like a great idea.
Each bitcoin is divisible down to 8 decimal places. There is nothing "unwieldy" about using these fractional values, you just use different units, eg 1 mBTC = 0.001 BTC, 1 µBTC = 0.000001 BTC, etc. It's not like we have to actually mint really tiny coins or anything. Cheesy
4460  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Coinapult - send Bitcoin over email in seconds on: April 13, 2012, 05:27:40 AM
I just tried deliberately claiming coins with an invalid bitcoin address, and got this unhelpful error message:
Quote
This transaction is still unconfirmed. Please wait 10 or 15 minutes and try again.
Target (email address): ________
Secret Location: ________
To recover your bitcoins, simply enter your email address and top secret key.
Which implies the system successfully broadcast the bogus transaction! Shocked Fortunately, the coins didn't just disappear, and I was able to later claim the coins with a valid address, but there should really be server-side validation of bitcoin addresses, allowing the site to display a more, well, helpful error message, explaining that the bitcoin address the user entered was invalid and that they may have mistyped it, and ask them to re-enter it.
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