Whats that indicator? I dont see how one would decide on how the trend will go up or down with that. Can you explain?

I think i know how you want to monetize the traffic. Im not sure if you will get many users with it. Or is it an accepted behaviour of link shorteners now?

I believe there was already another thread though this thread here seems to be the oldest and is coming up all the time again for some reason.

What do you mean with escrow page? Most escrows on BCT only communicate over PM.

I trade on bitfinex directly since some time. At least learning a bit. Pricy learning curve for sure, though at least on certain markets i have a good prediction rate sometimes. The problem is that predicting the same price movement in winning direction is not the same like having the same price movement in losing direction. The problem is the fee. Even the 0.2% on bitfinex can mean a hard time to only get back the fees for a buy and sell cycle. Now btc.sx has 2.5 times the trading fee which sounds pretty hard to make a profit with it. So is there a way to have a way lower fee?

Another question i have is how you do the trading. You claim to trade actually on the exchanges though bitfinex doesnt offer 10:1 leverage. And bitstamt doesnt offer at all. So you offer the funds? How are you insured in case some wins really big with a real good investment and 10 times leverage?

I wonder if the stats under the chart can be changed. For example it shows the total amount of coins traded and its colored red or green depending on more sales or trades. But i think it makes more sense as a trading stat to know which amount of coins were sold or bought. So a divided graph where sales and buys are divided by x-axis would make more sense i think.

And sometimes i think it would be good when the very right stats could be changed too. I mean the amount of coins in the orderbook. I dont care so much about 6000 coins needed to get 30 usd lower in bitcoin price. I mostly would like a stat about the first 200 coins. Its more interesting to know that only a sale of 10 coins could lower the price by 1 btc while buying the same amount would do nothing. I think the chance that the market moves fast there is high. But the stats dont show that very good. (I know there is the green and red line right of the graph too.)

True. Though that borders "what is reality at all". We mostly can judge on our past observations if things are right or wrong or likely more near to the truth. At the end its all theory thats more or less likely. Only thing with religion is that its a theory that cant be observed like that. Its a believe. There is no prayer that can repeatedly heal cancer or something like that. Religion simply is far outside of the truth likeliness of science.


So we are back to a claim you cant back with anything. Its like me stating that the allmighty spaghetti monster made all mankind. I cant proof it and i wont be able to find a proof. So do you. The problem is you maybe act on those believes.


So its a past high culture that is hidden by science? Conspiracy theory or what is this? Of course people in the past made inventions. But they didnt have a car or a notebook. Which means humans build their machines on the knowledge others brought them. Its the same with animals. They see how an animal of their kind is opening a shell with a rock and they start using it the same way. They learn from others and at some point an animal will find an even better way. This doesnt proof that humans have souls and animals are soulless robots.


Where is your proof for this claim? I can throw around statements the same way you do. They still dont get valid only by repeating them.


And who are you to say that they dont have souls only because they didnt reach the same level as humans yet? If you would see it as potential then you wouldnt go around and claim that other life forms are soulless creatures that dont feel pain. You would be way more cautious.


You really should watch some documentations sometimes. Animals all over the world learn new things. But even if they wouldnt. You should assume that it takes a lot more time to learn more. Only because humans made the jump by developing a more stable nutrition, leading to a higher brain capacity and so on, doesnt mean that animals, with enough time, wont be able to reach higher levels.

What are you speaking about? Animals learn how to crack shells. They didnt know how to do it before. One of them found out and the others learned from him. Please inform yourself about animals using tools. Its not only about highly specific tasks they learn from humans. Its natural development.


And? What does it say that it would take a long time? If you would have a brother and he is 10 years younger than you, then he is quite stupid. But you dont go around and claim he is a soulless robot who doesnt feel pain. Because with enough time he will become smart enough. What does time matter when its about potential? But the fact that you claim something or someone not as far developed as you must be a soulless robot without feels of pain is really strange. I mean i know religious people and how they think so i understand it but its still not understandable for humans that werent indoctrinated with "believes" that cant be proven.


Where is your proof? If i claim you were designed by god to be a slave because you belong to race x of human kind... how could i be wrong? Its the same arbitrary claim you do. You cant proof it. Its a believe. But you think you can act on this believe. And thats hefty.


I dont see how this goes against what i wrote. I only said humans invent things above things other humans invented before them. If you rais a group of humans without knowledge of science and teachings or tech then they most probably will only be able to build very simple tools. Still better than the ones animals use but animals show potential to build machines too.


  So the ability to imagine that there is something hidden that you cant explain is a sign of intelligence. Im not so sure. An animal most probably wont worship lightning bolts as thrown from god thor. And we know animals would be the smarter ones by not doing so. Im not sure why you feel superiour to animals because you very hard believe in an imaginery friend whose existence you neither can proof nor show. Fantasy for sure is worth something but fantasy leading to "iam better than the rest" is somewhat dangerous. Happened too often in human past that human races were seen ans animals, put into zoos, it was claimed they dont feel pain and and and.


*lol* Now you really made me laugh out loud. Your believe is really sweet. I would lead you to certain documentaries where clearly is show scientifically that each book of the bible was written by certain humans if i would know the english versions. And if you would follow the history of the bible you would find pretty much that your believe is build on very weak foots.

On top... would you have been born in an islam family you would say the very same about the koran.

But since you wrote this i have to admit that you are a hardcore believer. Its useless to discuss on that level. I wouldnt get anything from it and most people of that kind are feared that they could have been believed the wrong thing. They need the order in order to have a system to understand live. Since otherwise the chaos remaining would be too hard to accept.


So only because you cant understand why something exists you think there must have been some allmightly alien who made it. Ok. Its no different from old vikings who thought god thor throws the lightning bolts around. Because... who other than a god could do such thing?
So only because you claim there must have been an allmighty person who did it... it still becomes no claim who proofs itself. Its only your believe. So if an airplane is crashing in amazonas and the humans living there believe god has sent it, because who other could have build it is the same like a beautiful waterfall who built itself into a mountain. God must has build it personally, because who could have done it otherwise. Sorry but thats a really childish view of life where one doesnt see themself as a fully grown person but as a child who needs parents. Most probably its too hard for many humans to accept that things simply happen because other parts of life moved things into a certain direction. All mighty gods who did everything we cant explain are really something from the past and not really top notch of human development. And you know that.

[The stuff of nature is extremely complex. Nobody can will himself to grow another arm. If you lose an arm, there is no way you can get it back. Yet, science is finding out that an arm is loaded with technology. Scientists are starting to duplicate some of the complex technology that exists in an arm. It is technology. Technology has a technology inventor and maker. It just doesn't pop into being, over a long period of time or short.]
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Oh right. Since when was the last time that god build back a cut arm of a human? If a human arm grows naturally its not god building it slowly. Otherwise he would do it again. Its nature, following the rule that has proven valid. And scientists can copy the mechanisms who has proven advantageous in nature. Where is god there? I guess it can only be seen when seeing something and believing it must have been created in an instant. Without a long aging development to get to that status. A working arm for example.


You keep spouting around believes. Its funny. Though there is nothing to back it beyond that believe. Should i speak to you about how great the allmighty spaghetti monster is? I guess you would have fun trying to convince me that my god is the wrong god because... you believe so.


*sigh* Of course. An allmighty person that cant be seen nor interacts. But it must have been there because i cant understand why all life is working together that great that its like a huge machine. There must be a person who did this. Sorry... this thought scheme doesnt make sense.


So youre a friend of god? Will you tell me that your prayers work? Or is it more like the usual when you became healed then it was god, when you didnt then it was gods will? Sorry. Even if there is a god. It does not make sense to believe or pray to him when there is nothing coming out of it. There is life, yes, thats undeniable. And maybe some form of life is able to heal. But its still only a part of live. No person behind life. Though at the end its even irrelevant if there are life forms who might be able to heal when you cant reach them. And im 100% sure you cant reach anything with your believe. Maybe you can calm yourself with prayers. Thats it. The rest is some form of live in a social community. But nothing worthy besides some more or less ethical rules.

Its not that im not spiritual. Im only not gullible. Its way too easy to catch gullible people in sects, scientology or more or less dangerous religions. But proving what exists, whats nonsense, whats only believe is important. With you i only see believes, proven by nothing. But dangerously you judge others with your believes. Though thats how religious people work mostly.

Damn... this is going me on the nerves. Sometimes the price spread is something like 265.78 to 265.77. If you try to squeze in between with some uneven number in order to not pay taker fee then you most probably only end up with a 0.2% fee in your history.

So only because human can build machines you make a arbitrary border to say that animals are machines. I think thats completely arbitrary. What about the very first humans. They did not build machines. They only had the potential to do it. Even now most humans only can build simple machines. So what are those humans? Do they have less soul in your imagination? Its all about potential. And i think its arbitrary when you decide that animals dont have such potential. Its understandable when not believing things can develop to become better of course. But its still arbitray to make a border there.

In fact there are cases of animals that learn new behaviours. Simple use of machines they didnt know before. And animals of the same kind can learn from those individuals. So whats the difference to a human inventing the wheel? Others do the same and some day they think its better when the wheel isnt made from wood only, steel has to be around it to make it more stable. And so on. Its not that a nowadays human invented the car he build. He only is using what others invented before him and he might add something to it.

So yes, humans are special in their ability. But to say that animals only are robots because they arent as good is going to far.

Where did humans see wheels in nature so that they could copy? Not everything was shown by nature so you can only simply copy it.

Its not that i dont believe in higher existence. There are for sure. At least its hard to imagine that humans are the most developed species at all. I believe one could take all of life together and say its god. But its fascinating how humans go around and claim to know what "god" wants. They collect stories in a book and then they claim they know better than all and we have to do now what they say. Like IS in iraq in its most loud expression. Though at the end no one can proof that he knows the will of everything in existence. So those claims has to be taken with caution.

Im not sure why nature is proof that god build it. Is it smart to say "i dont understand how it happened... there has to be some allmighty person who made it" or is it smarter to say "we dont know yet how it came to this"? You know people in the past believed that lightning bolts come from god. They simply took the simple explaination for their missing knowledge. So no, only because nature if full of wonders doesnt say there was a person who made all this personally. Because if there is you would need to ask yourself who made god then. Or is that the point where you would claim that god came into existence from itself? Then why happened this with god but not with nature? Its simply arbitrary. The easy explainations of humans that miss knowledge.

You write under the assumption that there is a god. What if there is none? If you speak about the will of whole life in existence then its no question that god exists in some kind. But if not then all those people praying are nothing more than lunatics who speak with their invisible friend. Who doesnt even answer. Or at least they interprete or claim that he answers sometimes. Or interprete things. If it would be possible to measure and repeat such contact with god then it would be proven. But till then its only a believe that dont yield results. At least not beside people trying to become better persons to be liked by their vision of god. Thats a good effect, at least as long as you dont belong to some radical group like dschihadists or so.

If you want to increase your BTC holdings you should wait in fact until the price is down again. Then you would get more coins for the same dividend. Canna is exchanging the fiat only before he pays out the div. So when he now pays out the div you might get 1mBTC, if bitcoin exchange price is half of the price it is now, you would get 2mBTC. So in amount of coins you would go better with a lower bitcoin price.

Or do you want to bet on a still rising bitcoin price when he pays out now? I think thats risky. Lets see what the future shows.

Its a theory, right. And personally i have a hard time too to believe that it happened randomly. The thing is only that the things that happened can be shown. But no one can show the hand of god creating a creature or its yet to be shown that the world is built in a different way since the sole matter view scientists have.

So when you say there is no proof... im not so sure. Its pretty stable to declare the changes in lifeforms. Though there is no proof that gods hand came into play and made everything in an instant. So whats more certain? Some observations about the development of lifeforms who can be connected by certain changes over a huge timeframe or a story from a book that was written 2000 years ago only? I mean whats the difference in me declaring the all mighty flying spaghetti monster created all humans and all life? Its no different than the claim an all mighty presence has nothing better to do then create humans. Im always surprised how little religious people question what they believe. I know its very hard to get to a viewpoint that is not contaminated by believes... but still... Even when they know that its made up, they want to believe. Its fine for me but i think there are better ways to become a better person than thousand year old rules from very different times.

Might be that he had different accounts on gox or he held an amount in fiat there so that he calculated it back to BTC. Or he remembered wrong because he already sold more than that. Anyway... its quite possible that it was only an excuse. "MtGox did make us go down. Not iam." Or so.


I think that depends on what happened. If Ken only is a bad businessman then this might right. He collected usermoney for hardware and has to deliver. Investments are risky and no one has a right on a insured return.
But maybe things did not run that clear how Ken seems to claim. If its some kind of fraud then we all gave money in to a fraud and customers and investors would be on the same level of being eligible for compensation.

Was meinst du du bist ständig auf solchen Seiten unterwegs? Ist das eine Art der Bezahlung, eine Währung oder ist das sowas wie Adwords Codes die man für weniger Geld kaufen kann als man Wert dafür bekommt?

The BTC-Price should be unrelated to this investment since its bitcoin price independent. Cannabit doesnt hold coins. BTC are only used for paying out divs. I wonder too when it becomes clear if the new investment opportunity will work or not.

Personally i dont like the new wallet. Its something like Ubuntu did. Once it was a good OS, then they decided to go mainstream and create something for the average stupid user who only can handle windows. At the end even a pro cant find certain settings so that you take a different OS at the end.

Now the wallet seems to go the same way. No way to see your receiving addressed or add one as a pro. No way to chose a pro behaviour. So you only has the choice to take the top code for receiving coins. Im grown enough to know if i need a new receiving address or if i, in the worst case, want to type manually the new address because i cant copy it to the other system for some reason. Adding risk of typos.

And now i wanted to send remaining coins in my wallet back to my own wallet. As usual i only wanted to put in 100btc and the wallet fills in the coins i can send, because i actually have less. But it doesnt do this anymore. Only claims this doesnt work. Doesnt tell me how much i have, tells my how much less i have. So it awaits me to calculate? I go back to see my amount of coins, i need to remind them, go back and the receiving address is gone of course.

Then i remind the amount. Still i have to try the numbers on each decimal in order to withdraw all coins. I do it till i have every satoshi, then i scan the address with qr-code and... my amount is gone again. Completely stupid.

Really... its no fun using the wallet anymore. It makes live harder. If this doesnt change ill use another wallet. A friend of mine already did this because of this paternalism.

How is this forecast History made? I mean it looks like bitcoin nostradamus was practically correct all the time but in reality it claimed a price drop of around 1.3btc all the time over the last days. It took the actual price and predicted a drop in price. In reality the price went up consistently all the time. But because it takes the actual price and adds the -1.3btc it looks like it wasnt very wrong.

I would be impressed if you make a graph how the price will develop in the next hours. But the way it is no it says nothing and was wrong the last days all the time. If someone would have invested on this he would have lost.

Since when is evolution a religion? Its something you can watch in real life. Or what do you think are multi resistant bacteria? They changed their dna to adapt to a hard environment.

Even when its survival of the fittest, thats a law of matter. Though life is able to be more than simple atoms moving. Humans can be emphatic with the feelings of others. Leading to not wanting to hurt other, dont want to make war and so on. So we dont act only on material things. And its the same, on a much smaller scale, with animals. You should check out the emotional connections animals can build with their own kind, see elefants, or with humans. As pets. Life is not only survival of the fittest so its not correct to reduce it on that.

Maybe those 600 coins are our best bet to get anything back at all. I mean MtGox finds occasionally some wallet worth millions behind the sofa cushion so if things went through with mtgox then those 600 coins might be the only source of repayment we could hope for. At least i think the chance of mtgox paying back a noteworthy portion is higher than ken paying back something. Ken himself most probably doesnt have much to seize.

I think the reward will make it hard to get reliable data. I mean you would need to check every business if it really accepts coins in order to prevent people want to get the coins only.

If you take the max limit away then im sure you will have your website filled faster too. At least i know of >3 android apps that provide mostly different btc-accept-locations. I think you might copy them simply too.

Does someone has a tip what kind of indicators work best for the bitcoin price. I found the RSI to be interesting though it seems there are often indicators that i dont know of. What is it? Trendlines, support lines, triangles and what so on?

I noticed that the price on bitfinex is way more spiky than on other exchanges. I guess the reason are margin trader who have enough coins to manipulate the price?

And then... when you think you predicted the wrong way... when do you sell? I often sold too early but often too late too. Its a bit hard to decide. So what do you guys do?

Another thing is, i have read an article about margin trading with kelly criterion. The author only calculated the margin leven to chose and it was high. Though i think the more important point is what amount of your funds you "set". I mean at the end its a binary bet, with a good disadvantage made by the fees. Shouldnt the kelly criterion say to only set 1% of your coins per bet? At least at JD it was calculated that way. I only see that its hard to collect some coins but its easy to lose them and way more on top. So i would like to minimize the risks of losing coins. Any tips there?

So its a religious root where youre arbitrary commitment, about how things have to be, is coming from. Ok. Its not as if religions hasnt shown their wrong sides. Lately the most vocal are the islamic extremists. Personally i think you can believe what you want as long as you dont harm others with it. I dont await you to be cruel to an animal as a good christian, so im fine with that.

Its pretty clear nowadays that the bible was only written by humans, implementing older religious stories and even deciding what books are belonging to the nowadays bible was done by humans only. So its pretty arbitrary to want to believe in this as the unaltered word of god. Especially because if you would have been born in a muslim family you would be convinced the same way that only allah is the real god.

Anyway. Im libertarian as long as you dont hurt others with your believe.