I did a test and report 3 posts from this thread, by using this in report "The user repeats exactly what has already been said in the post" as suggested by @LeGaulois and all 3 post are deleted. I know that some will surely hate me because I will report such posts, but I believe that it can have a good effect and that some users can change for the better. Good job! I agree, reporting posts is not in vain. Some people might say "this is not our job" or "its pointless as spammers never learn" but I've seen cases where people posting changed for better after contacting them. Not strictly connected to this, but what I would like to see is people reporting poorly written opening posts in the topics more often, instead just answering them, as it's kinda harder to get such topics deleted when they get more answers.
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Unfortunately during the campaign we saw that not some or most but all of the bounty users that registered were just providing useless spam on all channels and low value content that did not translate into any meaningful interaction around our project. Such interactions will always hurt the communities and our initial expectations were much higher in terms of quality but unfortunately we were wrong on that.
What the hell did you expect when you started bounty campaign, professionally written articles and YouTube videos made by amateurs? Instead paying professionals to do that, you decided to have inflated bounty pool in order to attract bunch of bounty hunters, and then just ditch them all together. I fully understand that huge majority of bounty hunter's work is of low quality, but first time I see that not even one managed to do the work according to your high standards, which is kinda ironic coming from some crappy pump & dump shitcoin project.
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Before I answer, I would like to ask you one question first. What motivated you to join this community? How do you see yourself as a part of it in the future?
Answer to that question lies in the last sentence of his post. His sole purpose on this forum is to make money via signature campaign, and I think someone told him that the way to farm the merit is to focus on creating new threads in Beginners & Help section. Since he is still at 0, it's not really working as he expected.
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I'm curious to learn about them and keep in mind that there is no perfect system as every system has it own flaws, what we've been operating on the forum is a closed system where the mod do everything behind the scenes and make decisions on their own, while Reddit operates an open system whereby the people on the thread decide what reply is quality and which is not thru the downvote and upvote system without reporting to mod.
Let's say for example you report some scammer/abuser, and he retaliates by activating his army of alts that are following you around and keep disliking/downvoting your posts. If mods have to intervene in those cases, that would just mean more work for them. Bare in mind that bitcointalk is different than reddit (which I also regularly use for many years), with all these signature campaigns and financial incentives. Another thing that you can be sure of is if something can be abused here, it will be. If more people were constantly reporting such posts and if such posts were regularly deleted and after x deleted posts such users get a temporary ban, I think it would be more than a clear message for them to start reading and stop being ordinary spammers for a change. Exactly this. Even the most notorious shitposters will start asking themselves what are they doing wrong, and maybe even come to Meta asking, as many of them did exactly that after few dozens of their posts got deleted. Although the merit system was introduced to do this, it hasn't been so effective so far since we're still have the spammers with their ranks. The merits didn't do anything harmful to them, it only reduced their chances of increasing in rank but that doesn't mean they can't join paid campaigns.
I don't think that merit system failed, and that it's purpose was to remove all spam (which is impossible anyway). If that was indeed the case, theymos would simply make everyone start from the beginning instead airdropping the merit based on activity. The way I understand it, one of the ideas behind introducing the merit system is to make it much harder for new shitposters/spammers to rank up, therefore reducing amount of spam done via signature campaigns. As someone who started from scratch and went through that "grind", I must say that shitposter will have a very hard job reaching anything above Member rank, meaning merit system works. Maybe its not perfect, but what is?
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This is it, this is the point individual differences play in, different understanding and how people react, the mod might react positively to the Same post I reacted negatively about. So what if mod doesn't delete the post your are reporting? It's not a big deal at all, and anyone who reports the posts regularly will eventually experience that ( I have 71 report marked as "bad") , but that doesn't mean the we should stop reporting. The only solution to reduce spam is to replace the " Report to moderator" with the " likes and dislike" button where a reply with more dislike get deleted
I can see various ways in which that like/dislike system would get abused. There is something similar on reddit, where comments with more downvotes than upvotes get hidden, but I am not sure that it would work here.
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I've seen someone write 8 sentences without making a single meaning just to avoid their post being deleted or reported because the generation we have now caught a glimpse of a two-liner post as spam.
Don't hesitate to report such posts. I've done it many times, and more often than not drivel gets deleted, no matter how long it is. And if someone gets enough posts deleted, maybe he change his ways, or at least ask what he is doing wrong, as they occasionally come to meta asking exactly that.
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We need to come up with some precise stats of exactly how much total circulating smerits are decreasing and hence it is difficult for the people to rank up. I don't think that theymos will re-evaluate the merit situation unless we come up with proper homework and convince him.
Total circulating smerit is decreasing without the doubt, which is expected to happen if you don't replace inactive merit sources regularly. It's perfectly natural for people to take a break from the forum and come back later, but "problems" start when they are merit sources. Or to quote one of my posts from few days ago Looking at last couple of months, there is change, but for the worse unfortunately. For example, since introduction of merit system, there were only four months during which merit shared across the forum was below 16,000 mark, and out of those four months, three were this year ( March, April and May). Another example to show generally negative trend; from October 2020 up until May 2021, amount of merit shared was constantly reducing, with each consecutive month having less amount of merit shared than the previous one. May barely stopped that trend, with 251 more merits hared than during April. Judging on the amount of merit shared in the first 17 days of May, we might hit new all time low. I am pretty sure that theymos has all this data, but maybe he doesn't think that situation is alarming due decreased amount of posts, so he is hesitant to make adjustments just yet.
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I believe that if we wanted to get rid of the signature spam, we should look at the issue from its root, which is IMHO, low paying signature campaigns. First of all, what exactly is considered to be low paying signature campaign? Is 50 USD per week low, for 15-20 posts per week, as majority of signature campaigns pay that, or even more ? As someone who writes few thousands posts on few other (non paying) forums, and doing that for ~20 years, if someone told me few years ago that I will get paid that amount of money for forum posts, I would tell him that he is crazy. Of course, that number is low when compared to few best campaigns, but realistically? I don't think so. I have a feeling that people here lost the perspective a little bit, when it comes to that. There are simply way too many campaigns currently, and lack of quality members leads to managers having to lower their standards. I am also not surprised that advertisers are not willing to increase the payment considering the fact that forum ain't as active as it used to be.
@OP I suggest that you report few such posts just to try it out, and if its marked good, then continue doing so. Maybe we need some coordinated action against that, that could be done via Spambusters club.
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Sooner or later theymos will have to re-evaluate merit situation as month after month overall amount of merit shared across the forum is decreasing, with this month having a good chances to reach new all time low. And when it comes to that, Croatian board definitely deserves to be have another merit source, given our board activity and quality of posts.
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As @Rikafip stated, the merit/post tab does have the count for all boards (per board, not overall aggregate).
Hm, now you got me confused. Doesn't that "Total" number at the bottom of the table shows overall aggregate? So for example, May total is 189,483 posts? Aggregate awarded sMerit for the last complete week (07/06/2021 .. 13/06/2021) is 4.701, which is up 9,06% from the previous week. Nice to see the increase, but when looking at the total amount of merit shared during June (in first ~17 days), I have a feeling that we might see yet another all time low (current ATL is April with 15551). Only 6982 merits shared and 13 days left, so unless there is some sudden increase, total number won't be good at all.
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Congrats @Charles-Tim, Hero rank well deserved, now onto the next one! It's nice to see a member that is improving constantly, and that is applying suggestion on how he can increase his posting quality. Onwards and upwards, and may the gods of RNG be with you when you reach minimum activity needed for Legendary rank.
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I see you have renamed "Post Count Evolution" into "Local Board Post Count Evolution". Now I cannot find anymore the total number of posts in a single month in the whole forum. Can you suggest how can I source this information on the dashboard?
I don't know if there are other ways, but you can see total number of posts in "Merit per Post" table, just select the specific month that you wanna see and scroll all the way to the bottom. This is the link for the last month https://public.tableau.com/shared/KH743FHWS?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link
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Yeah, sorry for me trying to avoid some newbie getting scammed. Its me who should be targeted here.
I am not targeting you, I am just saying that what you provided as evidence is very flimsy. It would be a completely different thing if for example @simantobd wrote in lets' say Croatian (my language), and then after the break he suddenly started writing in Chinese, or vice versa. Then I would agree with you that there is something dodgy going on. The way you can protect people is if you express those concerns in the thread and warn people to use escrow when dealing with @simantobd or simply leave him neutral rating explaining the issue.
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He doesn't have to provide squat. Since you are claiming that account changed the owner, its you who has to prove that, burden of proof is on the one that makes the claim. There are some red flags and since he ignored my PM about these questions I dont think so.
Do you have any more proof, beside that thing he some time ago he went afk and when he came back he started selling some stuff, as that's pretty weak.
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Are there any changes in merit circulation in the last couple of months? I didn't see any new sources and few left/inactive.
Looking at last couple of months, there is change, but for the worse unfortunately. For example, since introduction of merit system, there were only four months during which merit shared across the forum was below 16,000 mark, and out of those four months, three were this year ( March, April and May). Another example to show generally negative trend; from October 2020 up until May 2021, amount of merit shared was constantly reducing, with each consecutive month having less amount of merit shared than the previous one. May barely stopped that trend, with 251 more merits hared than during April. So yeah, it might the time for theymos to revaluate current merit situation and hopefully either increase merit to current merit sources, or appoint news ones. Or maybe even both.
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Please sir, I am just few weeks old in this platform, help me to grow. Thank you sir.
In two weeks since you created this account, you managed to make 12 threads. This has to be some kind of record. Then why are you already posting in Meta? If you're not the slightest bit interested in learning about or discussing Bitcoin, you should probably leave.
He clearly said what's his goal in this forum in his first post here. He came for merit, and consequently spot in the signature campaign. As I told him in that first topic he created, he is simply fishing too hard for merit, and that will bite him in the ass. For the newbie, I believe most of us are sharing in my wish. My wish to become a legend, a legend with so much merits and positive trust
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You must be crazy if you think moderators have enough time to investigate all posts from newbies, and btw you are also a newbie who is trying to write some suggestion bs posts just to earn some merit. So fake and lame... one more goes on Ignore list.
We are now getting this on a daily basis, newbie accounts with very limited bitcointalk forum experience, suggesting changes that were asked numerous times before. How crazy is that, to think that you can give some solid advice to forum staff after few weeks of being active on the forum. Meh...
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Oh ljudi prvo mi nije jasno sto ste se uopste okomili na mene,drugo bounty menadzeru nije bitno kad se postuje vec da svi njihovi postovi budu objavljeni i to je sve.Posto niste u toku sa projectom bolje da se nemesate.Ali vidim da imate neki problem samnom,samo nevidim zasto. Pozdrav drustvo
Uopce me ne cudi da bounty manageru nije bitno sto se na takav nacin spama, ali to nije problem ovdje. Naime, protivno je pravilima foruma da se tako spama tema uzastopnim postovima. Limit je 1 post u 24 sata, a ti si izrokao desetine postova u par sati. Jedina iznimka tog pravila je kad napravis temu, pa stavis ono "rezervirano" na par slijedecih postova. Kao netko tko je na forumu 7 godina te tko redovno pravi te altcoin threadove, trebao bi to znati. U biti vjerojatno znas, ali ignoriras.
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Sta je sa vama ljudi?Nemorate biti bezobrazni. Traze da se doda/prevede sve sto je objavljeno kod njih,ja samo sledim njihova uputstva. I ako imate problem neki sa mojim postovima preskocite ih jednostavno.
Daj me nemoj zajebavati, na forumu si 7 godina, a pravis se da ne znas za pravilo po kojem mozes bumpati thread samo jednom u 24 sata, a ti ne da si to napravio dva-tri puta na sto ntiko ne bi regirao, nego trideset+ puta u cetiri-pet sati. Posto si iskusan i vrsan prevoditelj, ovo ces sigurno razumjeti Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours per thread
Uglavnom, prijavio sam moderaturi sve te tvoje postove, tako da mozes ocekivati da budu obrisani Zato sto debil radi bounty kampanje, i ostavlja dojam da vodi community. Ubiti je shitpoister koji google translatea sve. Al nije ni cudo, shit project, shit prevoditelj
Pazi lika; taj Punkcoin thread je napravljen pocetkom 5. mjeseca, I OP tog threada je uglavnom svakih dan-dva bumpao thread sa novostima (i on je povremeno krsio pravilo, al ne toliko brutalno kao sto je ovdje slucaj) i onda se pojavi ovaj nas @sunce33 i odluci u jednom danu izrokati sve te updejtove.
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OP, you just registered on bitcointalk a few days ago and already you think you have some brilliant suggestions on how it should run? GTFO of here, seriously. Posts made by members like you immediately ring the alt account alarm bells, because most people aren't so high on themselves that they join a forum/group/organization/whatever and start by trying to change it--unless they're complete narcissists or, in this case, aren't who they appear to be.
+1. Yet another pathetic merit fishing attempt made by @Emanuelaeventr, after that drivel about some sort of forum academy for newbies (lol). What he obviously doesn't understand is that he is pushing it too hard and it reeks of desperation which is the reason why his merit fishing tactic won't work. Brand new account giving advices on how forum he just joined should operate? Yeah right, genuine newbie my ass.
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