They are not inefficient in the case of hard to get goods. Think about the benefit face to face resellers of Bitcoins bring to this market.

The way the government handles IP doesn't make IP bad, only the government. The same could be said about regular property.


Without knowledge of my intent, you are simply being violent. As I said, the only thing you can rightfully do, is to remove my property from yours. Or else, what if the cumulated time I left my bike on the curb amounts to a year, can you just pick it up and call it yours?

Nevertheless, this has drifted from the original point, on which I simply give up trying to prove my point. Good night to you, sir.

In 2012, I only get to choose between a bunch of socialists and an angry dwarf. gj France.

You come up with these as we go, don't you? And still, according to your rules, I can own that environment.


Who said I'd leave it in your property? And even if it was, your only right is to remove my property from yours, not to bestow it upon yourself. Or else, are you going to claim what is mine simply because you touched it?

That is not what I asked of you. I asked you to document me on how the application of an electric field with a magnetic field producing a electromagnetic force normal to the plane of those two fields consists in matter. There is a clear difference between fundamental and quantum physics.

Yet, if every member of the group helped instead of hoping to get the cure for free, the research would go faster.

First of all, I'm not trying to control anything. Your stance that IP defenders will resort to force is oblivious to the concept that IP and non aggression are perfectly compatible. If you don't respect IP, I simply stop considering such endeavor as profitable and will naturally reduce my output of such content to strict necessary levels.

Also, in this argument, I am not trying to control what you can do or not do with your brain, since you couldn't do it without my brain coming up with it first.

The point about the chair is that modification of shape does not nullify property. The design is an energy pattern in my head. Since energy is matter, then I own this energy. The fact that it is out in the public doesn't mean you can just take it. If I leave my bike next to a wall, would you take it? According to your very own point, that matter and energy are but the same, then an original energy pattern, where ever it stands, belongs to the designer.

It is your part to provide documentation on that...

Simple. You own a piece of wood. You shape it into a chair and it stills belongs to you. The only thing you applied upon it is work.

I own my brain. I formulate a design with it. By your standards, it belongs to me.

Something of that magnitude at least, indeed.

Naturally, if a group of people is affected by some illness and there is no cure, it is possible they'll pool their resources to fund the research of such a cure. The question is, how many of these people will participate in the funding, knowing that they could get the cure for free once it is discovered.

Right, so radio waves are physical?

How do you argue against IP if you stand by that point anyways? If all forms are of either energy, matter, or both, and that energy and matter are equivalent, then intellect is as much of a property as anything else.

You're going after the energy that is loaded in those electrons...


Keep this serious please.

No need for weird sci-fi examples to discuss this point.

I produce electricity, which is immaterial, at the cost of my resources. Are you legitimate to plug your stuff on my power cable without my consent? According, to the "Libertarian" ideal, you wouldn't be stealing my power cable, only the energy it conducts. We can all see this is going to end bad.


This isn't a valid point. You can't bring is a purely pragmatic point into a fundamental discussion. The point isn't who is harmed the most, the point is "Is the product of my mind my property".

Who gives a s*** about that guy. On the other hand, if it results in withdrawing the troops out of Afghanistan, then that's actually a good thing.

I see.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are saying evading taxes hurts the economy?

5850s don't like super low memory clocks.

As for MSI AfterBurner, you're supposed lower the ram to its lowest available setting, close it, then reopen it and you'll have lower settings available.

On 5xxx series, you can use AMD GPU Clock Tool, where you simply type in the value you want and set it.

Don't quote me on that, but I think that as long as the 2 parties based on different currencies, PayPal will use their "custom" exchange rate to perform the converstion.

Here's an example with EUR/USD (that I experienced personally). EUR/USD is at 1.4817 according to google. I send 100 euros to a friend in the USA, PP uses a conversion rate of 1.4317, and my friend receives $143 instead of $148.

Next, he sends me $100, PP converts in on a 1.53 basis, i get 65.3 euros instead of 67.5

If you sent euros on a Canadian dollar based account, you'll incur exchange "fees", in the form of a really poor exchange rate.