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4481  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-01-30] Spongebob-Themed Tech Proves That Bitcoin’s Lightning Is Advancing on: January 31, 2019, 02:46:03 PM
The timing seems fairly reasonable for it.  Will be interesting to see if users start cautious or immediately begin moving mega-money around.  If I had to guess, it's probably the latter.  There always seems to be that "something to prove" mentality when it comes to new advancements

It would be an exercise in stupidity and futility

Really, what's the purpose of recklessly moving money around? I'm not speaking that no one will be moving "mega-money" just for the sake of it, but even if some inquisitive and curious users actually engage in this activity for some time, what will it change in a major way? Okay, now everyone starts to open payment channels and shuffle their coins around, and to what end exactly? To prove that they can?

Futility, perhaps, but also an exercise in freedom.

I doubt that all the BTC currently changing hands over LN are for the purchase of real-world goods and services.  Some of it is almost certainly just users experimenting, or even just plain dicking about.  And that's their prerogative, I guess.  Providing they are doing it of their own free will, I honestly don't see a problem with it.  They presumably know the risks involved.  If they still want to do it just for the hell of it, then why not?

That's not a problem on its own

The real problem is likely to arise when people start to interpret this as a sign of great success of the Lightning Network technology (which seems to be the case already). Well, technically, it would be so, but I still wouldn't call it a success as the real success will come when it actually starts being used for payments and wealth transfer on a grand scale, not for experimenting and testing or just for kicks ("dicking around")
4482  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-01-30] Spongebob-Themed Tech Proves That Bitcoin’s Lightning Is Advancing on: January 31, 2019, 01:52:52 PM
The timing seems fairly reasonable for it.  Will be interesting to see if users start cautious or immediately begin moving mega-money around.  If I had to guess, it's probably the latter.  There always seems to be that "something to prove" mentality when it comes to new advancements

It would be an exercise in stupidity and futility

Really, what's the purpose of recklessly moving money around? I'm not speaking that no one will be moving "mega-money" just for the sake of it, but even if some inquisitive and curious users actually engage in this activity for some time, what will it change in a major way? Okay, now everyone starts to open payment channels and shuffle their coins around, and to what end exactly? To prove that they can?
4483  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-01-29] Iran's central bank issues draft rules on cryptocurrency on: January 31, 2019, 01:34:42 PM
That's a good news. Venezuela took the initiation, and following Iran opening doors for Cryptocurrency will attract more investors into the country. Because lot of countries were aware about the evolution of cryptocurrency as well teams were created to analyze the need for it. Very few enter into it and execute the implementation process. Now these countries will get more crypto firms starting their offices located as the legality supports them. Right now people move towards Canada, Singapore and so on.

It's not going to bring new investors to the country. Nobobody and especially no company is interested to be established in this country so as not to create controversy and tarnish the reputation. If the locals can't hold over $10k, be sure someone outside will be able to hold a lot less.
The politic is this country isn't one about to give some freedom to the citizen

That has nothing to do with politics

Which seems to be your major point here. Actually, quite a few European companies are interested in conducting business with Iran and establishing their strong presence there:

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France, Britain and Germany, defying threats from Washington, are this week executing their plans to set up a special-payments company to secure some trade with Iran and blunt the impact of U.S. sanctions

China has been deepening its footprint in this country year after year despite any sanctions that Uncle Sam imposed on ayatollahs. All in all, it looks like you should be less biased and more aware of the real situation there. But I'm still curious where you are from

4484  Economy / Gambling / Re: Roobet. The Honest Casino - No Fees, 100+ altcoins, BTC + more soon. on: January 31, 2019, 01:02:30 PM
Okay, it seems to be the right time to check how your withdrawals are working

Obviously, I was not able to withdraw anything as I'm required to deposit first. That's kinda okay. But how much should I deposit first to be able to withdraw later? The deposit page says that I can deposit any amount of Bitcoin. So my question is, if I send to the address provided just 1 satoshi (or whatever is enough to get the transaction confirmed), will I be able to withdraw anything at all?

When attempting to Withdraw it says at the bottom of the page you need to deposit 5$ to withdraw your balance. Or you can do 5$ in a survey as the FAQ states & then you will be able to withdraw any

I report that withdrawals are working fine

Though your FAQ is misleading as the amounts you receive via surveys or puzzles don't actually count towards the $5 deposit required to withdraw. I successfully finished some surveys and earned like $0.5 via them, however, I still had to directly deposit $5 to be able to withdraw anything. With that said, I should admit that the withdrawal itself was instant and it went through without a hitch
4485  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Contest with $30,000 in GUARANTEED PRIZES now live! on: January 31, 2019, 12:44:57 PM
That's one of the reasons why Dogecoin is so popular among gamblers

You see, it is very cheap with the price of 1 doge at around 55 satoshi at the moment, which is less than 1 cent. And most casinos allow the minimum bet amount of 1 doge (or even less than that). In this way, Dogecoin allows the longest sequences of bets for martingale, and that likely explains why it is used widely for gambling (apart from its transactions also being cheap and fast)

Actually, some dice sites allow minimum was made with much less than that. You can bet with as little as 0.00000001 DOGE on some of them. But although you can afford many consecutive losses betting with DOGE on such sites and thus be winning constantly, the question is is the game worth the candle? You can win 0.00000002 DOGE per second on average with automated betting. It's 0.000072 DOGE per hour or 0.00072 DOGE per 10 hours. I bet you pay for the electricity your computer is using thousands times more than that even in the countries where it's super cheap

Was it dooglus (or whatever his name is) who reported that he saw it only a couple of times with someone hitting a streak of 28 consecutive losses at 2x during the time he was running a casino? In this way, you don't need to set your initial bet amount at absolute minimum or you could just set lower (higher) odds so that the losing streaks would be longer while potential profits higher

But I agree, it is still either a waste of time or waste of money (you choose which)
4486  Economy / Speculation / Re: [FM] Why is the price of Bitcoin dropping when the fundamentals are so strong. on: January 31, 2019, 12:13:49 PM
The price of Bitcoin is dropping at the moment, and it looks as if it is likely to drop even further. This is contrary to the Bitcoin fundamentals, which have never looked so strong to me. The hash rate, Lightning network use is increasing, the number of addresses are increasing, and there are numerous other indicators. Although my main interest is the opinions of newer Bitcoin users, as they may reflect current public opinion, I'd also welcome the opinions of more experienced Bitcoiners

I'm not sure if Bitcoin fundamentals look strong as what you call "fundamentals" is nowhere near being that. The number of addresses increasing? And so what? If this growth is not accompanied by the consistent rise in the number of transactions (a metric which could count as fundamental but this number is not rising much anyway). Lightning network use expanding? Are you sure? It is the number of nodes and payment channels that is rising (which is a good thing), but how do you know that these channels are actually used for transacting with Bitcoin?

The bottom line is that the metrics you describe as fundamental can only be used as circumstantial evidence at most
4487  Economy / Economics / Re: R u consider rich holding crypto during hyper inflation on: January 31, 2019, 11:13:47 AM
When the economy is bad, more money gets printed to stimulate the markets. When the economy is good, more money gets printed to reflect economic growth. Not a bad system in itself, after all it got us this far, but something that one should be well aware of

In fact, you can use it to your advantage

Obviously, no government will easily accept being heavy on money printing, and the official inflation rates are typically way lower than real, and still more so when they are high on their own. For example, if in the US the official inflation rate is reported to be 2% yearly, you can't actually expect it to be 20% as the discrepancy will be too obvious and apparent. On the other hand, in some third world country the reported inflation can be like 20% while the real inflation will be like 50% or even higher

And this has interesting repercussions and consequences. As taxes, duties, penalties, etc are calculated using the official rates, you can use this discrepancy against the government itself. For example, you may postpone payments of taxes even despite risking penalties as you would still have to pay less in real terms. And this is a real phenomenon commonly occurring in countries with high inflation rates. The same with debts. If you have arrears (like utilities or something similar), you will likely have to pay a penalty way below real inflation rate
4488  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Contest with $30,000 in GUARANTEED PRIZES now live! on: January 31, 2019, 10:53:47 AM
Martingale can be a viable approach only in one case

That is, when your financial muscle is greater than a casino's and the casino doesn't have a limit on max bet that you can wager. But it is still rather a theoretical case because you just won't be able to bet when the stake becomes greater than the casino's bankroll. So even in this case you are set to lose in practice. Obviously, real-life casinos have max bet limits set in place, for example, FreeBitco.in has it at 20 BTC

Even in that case, it throws up another question you have to answer before doing it. Fiat casinos tend to have a smaller difference between the minimum and maximum bets (or table limits in bricks and mortar casinos). That severely limits the possibilities to martingale to a small number of consecutive losses. When people come to crypto casinos and see min bet of 1 sat and max win of 20 BTC they think they will have to be very unlucky to lose. But the real question is do you really want to risk 20 BTC to win one Satoshi at a time? It could happen the very first series of bets you try it. What Martingale does allow you to do is bet at lower odds than the minimum multiplier. With the right bankroll and base bet, you can bet on outcomes that have much less chance of busting than a 1.01x bet.

Exactly, I've seen this pointed out in other threads where people share min and max bet tables. This is also visible online even in digital fiat casinos, where you even have low-stakes, medium stakes and high stakes tables... All these tables, you will notice, the time it takes for the min bet to reach max bet on simple 2x martingale is very very seldom more than 10-streaks

That's one of the reasons why Dogecoin is so popular among gamblers

You see, it is very cheap with the price of 1 doge at around 55 satoshi at the moment, which is less than 1 cent. And most casinos allow the minimum bet amount of 1 doge (or even less than that). In this way, Dogecoin allows the longest sequences of bets for martingale, and that likely explains why it is used widely for gambling (apart from its transactions also being cheap and fast)

2x double on loss is what I would refer to as Martingale. Other progressive systems I would call modified Martingale. (That's just my personal terminology and not something I'm interested in debating).

With 2x double on loss you can still use different bet odds
4489  Economy / Economics / Re: R u consider rich holding crypto during hyper inflation on: January 31, 2019, 09:58:52 AM
You will be considered being rich, if the Bitcoin price recovers and you bought bitcoins at these low prices. I made more than 800% profits on coins that I bought in 2015

That's likely the major difference between Bitcoin and fiat money

Bitcoin can make up for the losses caused by crashes in due time, but it is never the case with fiat currencies. No one is going to return you the purchasing power that you may lose either due to an abrupt devaluation or gradual depreciation of a fiat currency over time. It is a one-way street with fiat money as there is no way in which it can "recover". The government (any government, for that matter) can only steal the purchasing power from you. It is called inflation tax and it is inevitable, so get used to it
4490  Economy / Economics / Re: Who controls the market? on: January 31, 2019, 09:11:11 AM
There are two radically opposite points of view on this matter - some people believe that whales control the market, and the second category of people believes that no one controls the market at all. I think both of these opinions are wrong. As usual, the truth is always in the middle

Half truths are worse than outright lies

If the truth is in the middle, it pretty much means that whales are still controlling the market (maybe, to a somewhat lesser degree). And there is nothing wrong or surprising in it. If you have enough financial leverage, it would be plain stupid not to exploit it to your advantage. And this is equally applicable to any market, not just crypto. In 1980 the Hunt brothers tried to corner the silver market. Ultimately they failed, and that's likely the reason we heard about them at all. If they succeeded, they would likely have remained unknown to the wider public as silence is the sound of money talking
4491  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Contest with $30,000 in GUARANTEED PRIZES now live! on: January 31, 2019, 08:50:30 AM
When people come to crypto casinos and see min bet of 1 sat and max win of 20 BTC they think they will have to be very unlucky to lose. But the real question is do you really want to risk 20 BTC to win one Satoshi at a time?

Well, I'm not sure everyone runs martingale this way (or just anyone)

I mean by simply offsetting the losses incurred in previous bets (i.e. if you win, you win only 1 satoshi no matter what the bet amount is). From my perspective, this will be the stupidest way of using martingale. When I used this technique myself, I always set the odds in such a way that at each roll with bet doubled (apart from the very first one, of course) I was covering the accumulated loss in full and won as much at that (provided I won, naturally)
4492  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Contest with $30,000 in GUARANTEED PRIZES now live! on: January 31, 2019, 07:43:30 AM
If you play long enough, you will lose.   Roll Eyes
Depends on the luck too, on the first few rolls you can go on a losing streak and this would entice you to play longer until you recover your losses or lose everything

And this is the key problem of the martingale system

As it assumes that you should play long enough to beat the house with it. But the longer you gamble the less room is there for luck (and more for the house edge to kick in). I remember some former online casino owner was saying that martingalers were not their main headache as they never left after a win and eventually lost everything. It was random dudes with deep pockets making a couple of bets that was their primary concern and worry

I’m surprised people yet choose Martingale strategy when they’re playing. I believe this strategy is proven to make you loose your funds, and if you scan this forum there’re many tales of people loosing big because of it. It’s important for all to understand that in the end luck is all that matters. In my initial days of being a freebitco user and after collecting satoshis I played using Martingale strategy, but it horribly backfired hence I never used it again

Martingale can be a viable approach only in one case

That is, when your financial muscle is greater than a casino's and the casino doesn't have a limit on max bet that you can wager. But it is still rather a theoretical case because you just won't be able to bet when the stake becomes greater than the casino's bankroll. So even in this case you are set to lose in practice. Obviously, real-life casinos have max bet limits set in place, for example, FreeBitco.in has it at 20 BTC
4493  Economy / Economics / Re: Perfect example of why governments must hold Bitcoin on: January 31, 2019, 07:32:16 AM
EU and UK are toothless loyal US dogs. They doesn't have own decision making process now. The point here isn't is Maduro good or bad, but the point is they are breaking all democratic principles.

Having Bitcoin will not help Maduro anyway. He will need to convert to fiat at some point. And all cryptos are what 120B? This is nothing compared to world finances and needs.

Not really an argument. Appealing to low liquidity just proves that Bitcoin is still tiny and thus potential for growth huge. If you look a the fundamental analysis, it still applies: If Maduro had Bitcoin reserves instead of gold reserves, it would be better than 0, which is what he is going to get as soon as US gets a foot inside Venezuela

Agree, that's a shaky argument

But before "appealing to low liquidity" counterargument, we should ask why would this villain want to cash out everything? Cashing out so much would definitely raise a lot of red flags as to the source of all this wealth. And Maduro may end up losing his bitcoins just as easily as he has already lost the "Aztec gold". In this manner, if we assume he was prudent enough to exchange the gold for crypto, we should as well assume that he wouldn't be that stupid to try selling all his bitcoins at once
4494  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Contest with $30,000 in GUARANTEED PRIZES now live! on: January 31, 2019, 07:20:41 AM
If you play long enough, you will lose.   Roll Eyes
Depends on the luck too, on the first few rolls you can go on a losing streak and this would entice you to play longer until you recover your losses or lose everything

And this is the key problem of the martingale system

As it assumes that you should play long enough to beat the house with it. But the longer you gamble the less room is there for luck (and more for the house edge to kick in). I remember some former online casino owner was saying that martingalers were not their main headache as they never left after a win and eventually lost everything. It was random dudes with deep pockets making a couple of bets that was their primary concern and worry
4495  Economy / Economics / Re: What's it like to live on crypto instead of Banks? on: January 31, 2019, 12:39:38 AM
  • No fear of theft to our money
  • No need to wait for someone to approve our transaction
  • No daily limits
  • No hidden fee
  • No worry about border transaction

How is that there's no need for someone to approve our transaction?

Aren't we supposed to wait till our transaction gets confirmed by a miner? Isn't it essentially the same as "someone approving our transaction"? Besides, the point of "no fear of theft to our money" also doesn't look very credible. If someone steals your coins in case you are using a desktop wallet or an exchange gets hacked (openly steals your money) in case you are a trader and have to use them, you can safely kiss good-bye to your coins. With banks it is quite different, though. Indeed, someone can steal your money from a bank account too, but the chances of catching the thief are arguably better
4496  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: On merchants not willing to accept crypto on: January 31, 2019, 12:14:25 AM
Merchants do not want to accept bitcoin because of its volatility. The price of bitcoin change fastly time by time and no one can predict where it will go (increasing or decreasing movement). They just want an assurance that they can make profits with their products. In fact, if I will goes to their own shoes, I definitely accept fiat than cryptocurrency. Specially, if I will sell a lambo or ferrari car

Volatility is not an issue here

Merchants can accept crypto via payment gateways. Well, actually, it is not them who accepts crypto as merchants are in fact accepting fiat before. It is these gateways that actually accept cryptopayments and it is them who are dealing with the volatility issues, i.e. merchants are offered instant real-time exchange rates and there is virtually no slippage (read, volatility doesn't mean a thing to shops)

Big retailers, on the other hand, can directly accept crypto. In that case they should themselves hedge against volatility, but it is not a big deal either as there are enough liquidity providers which help solve this issue as easily and as cheap
4497  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: On Bitcoin Cash (again) on: January 30, 2019, 09:04:51 PM
Let's short it to death:



I don't have any Bitcoin Cash coins in my pockets so it may look like a naked short, and technically it is. But I have enough real bitcoins so that I can continue shorting Bitcoin Cash as much and as long as I want and I definitely will if the price of it continues to rise. But since it is highly unlikely that this shitcoin will ever outperform Bitcoin in the long term, it is a bullet-proof strategy to make money off short-term volatility. Let Ver, Jihan and their minions pay for it if they choose to artificially prop up its price. They are welcome, I don't mind
4498  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: On merchants not willing to accept crypto on: January 30, 2019, 08:44:33 PM
Great explanation. Thank you. So it is not automatic just as I said it will be, but it was close. So merchants can do these I wonder why they won't? Maybe because crypto can still bounce up and down in a week?

It is fully automatic in case of Bitcoin payment cards

But in this case you just pay with your Bitcoin card in the same way as with any other such card, and whoever you pay to may not even know that you paid with crypto. Obviously, this has nothing to do with merchants knowingly willing to accept cryptopayments. Regarding accepting Bitcoin payments online, there is simply no demand for such payments as explained in the OP. And that's the root of the problem

Really, given that you can easily integrate cryptopayments into your shop and the payment processor guarantees you real-time exchange rates (this is not a big deal), every merchant would readily add this option if there was massive demand for such payments. Further, you receive the bulk payment at the end of the week but the conversion rates are determined real-time, i.e. when a client actually pays (not at the end of the week, as you seem to assume)
4499  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Bitmex. Is it worth it? on: January 30, 2019, 08:25:48 PM
Just letting everyone know that I was reimbursed fully by Bitfinex

The losses incurred were not great anyway (as I was quick to react to minimize possible negative consequences), but the exchange reimbursed everything, i.e. spread, trading fees plus interest I paid on additionally borrowed funds when they restored my position. Don't know how true their claim is but they also said that they found the bug in their system which caused wrongful liquidation of my short position. Okay, let's see how it goes now
4500  Economy / Economics / Re: Recent crash on: January 30, 2019, 08:06:36 PM
I want to have a serious discussion about the recent crash that happened in the crypto market, more precisely bitcoin.

What are your thoughts on this subject? What caused it, is it healthy for the long term, when do you expect to see the price back again?

We are going back to the roots, so to speak

Though you didn't make it clear in the OP what crash you refer to. If you mean the late November early December crash a couple months ago, it was likely triggered by the hash wars, but its causes lie in Bitcoin being overvalued back then. The price had been trading in 6-7k range but with no real support, so when someone started to sell in earnest, the price crashed until it found a new support at 3k. But we may not be done yet

You can think of it as an organic continuation of an overall downtrend which gets us closer to the equilibrium determined by real value of Bitcoin (with most altcoins likely kicking the bucket in the process). So for Bitcoin itself it may be a good thing as lower prices probably add to Bitcoin's real use. You can take Dogecoin as an example of that kind. It is cheap as dirt but almost all of its price is determined by its real use (as a coin for gambling)
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