I finally ported my data to my repaired now find 7 and installed bitcoin widget 1.6.2. It includes btc-china and the data includes missing entries. Did you make a newer version for androids above 4.3? Because i cant update it in google playstore.

Its not so important since i now know that btc-china is the reason for the missing data.

Oh... didnt notice. Im using my old smartphone at the moment because my newer one was sent in for repairs. Thanks for the headsup. I like your app.

Why is the trading data from btc-china so inconsistent? I thought they have times when they dont trade and thats the reason for the missing data but it seems they trade all the time.

So i guess somethings wrong with the data pulled from there.

I think you miss an importang app: Bitcoin Buzz Feeds

I use it regularly and i like it.

*lol* Im sorry for the german.

dank... i know which people you mean. Unfortunately you wont find someone who really can do this. Even the big guru's that claim they can do it were found cheating. So as of now i dont see a solution.

What i wrote in german is: Living only to die? I guess that even is true for every human. I think its important what you do with the time you get. Its not nice if one has to die young and maybe even didnt had a nice life of course.

I see it philosophical. Practically every lifeform only survives because it devours other life. As long as the cow cant show me, that she can life without devouring the life of grass and plants, i have to see it as a necessary evil of life. Noboday survives without taking other life! It would be nice if it would be different but it isnt.

Zu leben um zu sterben? Na irgendwie trifft das auf jeden Menschen auch zu. Kommt drauf an was man dazwischen draus macht aus der Zeit die man kriegt. Unschön ist es natürlich schon wenn man jung sterben muss und vielleicht nicht mal ein schönes Leben hatte.

Ich sehe das philosophisch. Es gibt praktisch kein Leben dass nicht nur deswegen überlebt weil es anderes Leben verschlingt. Solange mir die Kuh nicht zeigen kann dass sie auch lebt ohne sich das Leben von Gras und Pflanzen einzuverleiben sehe ich es als notwendiges Übel des Lebens. Niemand überlebt ohne Leben zu nehmen. Punkt. Wäre schön wenn es anders wäre, geht es aber nicht.

Yeah... its a challenging topic and i really would love if bitcoin and the cryptography around could solve this problem. I mean we really need a change to democracy that really deserves the name. If there could be a system and hacker communities and pirate parties (pirate parties first members come from hacker clubs very often too) then this could be a big advertising for bitcoin too. I mean pirate parties are a worldwide phenomenon, the first party that exists in so many countries, and if they present such a voting system then...

I wonder if i should ask about this topic in bitcoin foundation.

Playing devils advocate... if a government would use this technique then the government would know which person got which address. So they would know afterwards which person voted a certain way. In certain countries you would get in trouble from this point if you voted for opposition.

Next thing would be that nobody knows if every address was really sent to a real person. For example you add a certain amount of addresses for old users and government could raise the amount of votes for ruling parties because they could keep those addresses and vote themself. It would be risky to steal votes because even if government would be sure that a person that got an address sent, is dead, you never know that someone could find out that dead were voting. Or how to ensure that really the real receivers of the address are voting. There were cases were letter voting cards from workers of a local company were used by the company to vote for the local companies boss's daugther so she gets in local parliament. To have power to make decisions for the company again.

So i think the part from votes till checking if votes are correctly counted are fine. Only how to know that the votes are valid are a bit difficult. Ok, nowadays offline votes arent perfect in that matter too. You cant really say that the real voters voted by letter, for example. They lower the risk a bit by counting the votes in small areas first and then send the results to the bigger parts of the votes. So citizens of the small area could see if the votes are strange. More votes than voters or completely different votes than the people would have voted.
The thing most hackers and pirate parties fear the most is the might of the one operating the voting process. Centralized data... and making wrong things with them.

Can you explain how you sat this up? Would your system be able to meet the requirements of Anonymity (because government should not know how you, personally, vote) and Verifiability (because if votes are collected in a database then its possible to change the votes, if you can count the real votes then this isnt possible).


The state is a conspiracy of some kind at the moment. Though its still better than some single mighty person that can rule how he wishes. But its still not nearly perfect because governments, who should be the focus of citizens will, are doing what they want. Too often against the will of the citizens.

At the end the government should be "the citizens", which mean they are the ones that rule and say whats going to happen.

btc-e sounds definitely insecure then.

I know that every exchange means a risk because they hold the coins at least. Though risks can be lowered when the persons behind are really known, security is tight, support is responsive and so on. I see the risk of exchanges in general though they are needed not seldom. So i would like to see a risk evaluation of the biggest exchanges. I mean if you cant avoid then them its best to use the less risky ones. And to spread the risk use 2 or 3 ones so you cant lose everything if your exchange goes down.

I know... a pretty dark view on the matter though i think its unfortunately a realistic one.

Unfortunately i hear from many many people that they turn their back to bitcoin. I can understand it a bit. Practically everyone lost very much coins on scammers, inept businessmans, hacks, lost times for miners, accidents and so on. And a currency that is losing its worth more and more isnt very interesting at that time. Others are bound in their business and dont have time because of this. Maybe Financisto thinks similar.

I mean especially if someone has an idea how this can be done in detail.

I doubt anarchism is a way for the future. People are probably thousands of years away of being able to life that way. Even nowadays anarchists use things produced by others though mostly dont produce much of worth from their side. If everyone would life like those anarchists try to life then it would not work definitely.

I think about the usefulness of the bitcoin techniques for real democratic votes since a long time. Im a fan of democracy, not the pseudo-democracy we see in most countries where people vote one day in 4 years and for the rest of the time they delegate their voting rights to others. Thats not demo-cracy, which means "ruling of the citizens". Its even worse in the US where only the biggest part of the citizens get a representation at the end. Other countries have borders for parties, so if a party dont get enough votes, for example only under 5% of voters, then the whole party gets no place in parliament.

This is only a homeopatic demo-cracy. A democracy diluted so far that its not even there anymore practically. The only solution i see for this is a real democracy where each citizen can vote on practically everything. The only problem is the voting system.

The US and other countries use voting computers. Closed source and insecure. You never know what will happen with your vote and if youre really counted. Thats the reason why even pirate parties all over the world dont see computers as the solution. They say a vote cant be made anonymous and replicable. Either the votes are collected in a database and can be altered because they are anonymous or the vote isnt anonymous.

Today i find this article here: http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/239809 in the android app bitcoin buzz. And i was remembered on this topic. I dont see how the author intends to solve the problems though.

What do you guys think about the bitcoin techniques. Can they be a solution and a way to real democratic votes? If so how? I really would like to see a solution.

I wanted to ask what exchanges you think are the most secure ones. If MtGox would still exist i guess most would say its the most secure one though we know it wasnt. So im interested in exchanges that are coded secure most probably, maybe work from the coders are known, exchanges that have a solid ceo, and maybe arent in a country with risks. For example btc-china seems to be the biggest exchange and i guess its best for trading. Unfortunately its in china and personally i see the risk that at one point in time the chinese government takes them down for whatever reason. Next biggest one seems to be bitfinex. They have shorttrading and more. Is it risky for the exchanges funds that this is implemented?

And so on.

What do you think? What exchanges hold possible risks that can be seen?

I think someone should create a new list with actual escrows. Though i guess only escrows are interested in this and this would mean if an escrow is doing this then it would look a bit strange and would bring up critics.

Um... it really could happen that Ken is the "hero that brought us so far" now?

I dont see him as a scammer too but at least he made a lot bad business decisions. As far as i remember there was a board of advisors once who were big shareholders. They gave up on ken because he made wrong decisions again and again. It sounded like we would have gotten our chip long ago if ken wouldnt have been an adder of perfection who led him try to squeeze a bit more out of it. Leading to ultimate fail because of the time spent on this.

Then not giving out the shareholders shares led to huge losses for those that wanted to sell long ago.

No... i cant ever see him as the hero in this game. Im eager to hear his "truth" of it all. And where he pushed our coins into.

The worst thing on bitcoin businesses that go wrong are the bad communications. Why is it so hard to be honest about whats going on? At the end everyone has to guess whats going on and fear spreads. Unfortunately this fear is mostly correct... right NotLambchop? There still are missing examples where this fear turned out to be baseless or all went good at the end at least.

Thats the best article i found on those KNC Solar Miners: http://www.coindesk.com/kncminer-plans-16nm-bitcoin-mining-asic-launch-2015/

Youre right, the confirmation shows it. Though i didnt see this till now because i checked that it shows the amount i wanted to withdraw and i knew from the page before that it will take a fee. I didnt even get the idea that i wont get what i asked for. I might have to be more careful though i think, when i make the clear request to get a certain amount of money, i dont await that i get less than what i asked for. Its like going to an ATM and needing 100USD to pay a bill... but you only get 99.99USD because... there has to be a fee taken. Its something you dont await. Or onlinebanking... paying a bill though... not paid in full because a fee is taken from the amount you wanted to send. I dont know a bank that awaits that their customers include a fee when they want to move a certain amount of money.

Only saying... thats not user friendly.

Dargo? Will this change? Or at least not let it look like one will withdraw a certain amount only to realize later that the fee is taken from it before and the amount withdrawn is lower.

Is it standard for exchanges, when witdrawing coins or fiat, that the fee is taken from the actual amount someone wants to withdraw? Yesterday i withdrew a couple of bitcoin payments. Only after i had done everything i realized that kraken didnt sent the amount i wanted kraken to send but it took the fee from that amount. So that i had to make a couple of new withdraws to send the missing funds. Of course with another fee on top again.

Now i wanted to withdraw some fiat. It showed the fee and the amount to be withdrawn. I did so, because everything looked ok, and... of course i wont get the amount of money i asked for because the fee was taken from that amount.

I dont like that. Is it possible to change this? When i ask kraken to have an amount of money then i dont want to have such surprises. Of course i want exactly the amount of money i asked to get. I dont know if other exchanges do it the same way but if i need a certain amount of money then i dont want to calculate or being surprised with a different amount of money than i asked for.