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4521  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Well, well, well, now we know what Jihan Wu’s been up to. on: April 09, 2017, 05:24:25 AM
We will eventually get segwit in bitcoin with UASF. What part of this you don't understand?

Nobody likes Jihan Wu anymore. UASF was used before by satoshi. We will get segwit one way or another.
UASF will hurt the miners even more. Why bitmain does not accept the losses and support segwit? Is it true that they borrowed $ 100 million from the Chinese government? Where did this rumor come from?
UASF is a technical joke, that if implemented will do nothing other than make a bunch of nodes not work until they go back to a compatible implementation. 

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Is it true that they borrowed $ 100 million from the Chinese government?
No. The Chinese government does not make loans to private companies. It is theoretically possible that Bitmain has debt, although this is unlikely (beyond short term accounts payable type debt) because it is fairly easy to figure out their BTC holdings, and the amount of bitcoin they hold has been growing over time.
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Where did this rumor come from?
I have never heard anything along these lines before, so I would say it is probably safe to say that this came from a random newbie on bitcointalk
4522  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Inside-the-Dragons-Den-Bitcoin-Cores-Troll-Army on: April 09, 2017, 05:19:00 AM
I think it is interesting that the dirbag jratcliff63367 agreed to say that he personally know that Roger Ver was employing an astroturfing firm, attract a bunch of attention, only to later admit this was a baseless claim with absolutely no merit.

I wonder if the above was one of blockstream's troll/smear campaigns and how much that dirtbag ended up getting paid to say that.
4523  Economy / Services / Re: Looking for escrow [urgent] on: April 08, 2017, 10:25:05 PM
Im available depending on the deal. Im not dealing with gift cards or anything illegal
Just an FYI if you use this person as escrow -- a few months ago he was acting as an "escrow" in which significant sums of bitcoin were lost due to his gross negligence. Funds were eventually recovered, however prior to recovering the funds, he had publicly said that those who had entrusted him to act as escrow were going to have losses totaling 100% of the bitcoin that was lost...in other words he took no responsibility in even attempting to pay any of the losses out of his own pocket.

If you are in need of an escrow, I would suggest that you look elsewhere.
Youre 100% wrong as usual.
Why don't you clarify then?
Im not derailing this thread with anymore responses after this 1.
Not derailing this thread. The OP is looking for a service, you offered your services, and I told the OP it is not a good idea to utilize your services.

Im not gonna clarify anything to you.
In other words, I am right then.

Its been explained and re explained over and over to you
No. You are outright lying now.

You make it a point to try and ruin anyone you think you can with your shills and your main account. Not working out for ya is it?
Nice ad hominem there.....that isn't even true, but that isn't the point.
4524  Economy / Services / Re: Looking for escrow [urgent] on: April 08, 2017, 09:10:19 PM
Im available depending on the deal. Im not dealing with gift cards or anything illegal
Just an FYI if you use this person as escrow -- a few months ago he was acting as an "escrow" in which significant sums of bitcoin were lost due to his gross negligence. Funds were eventually recovered, however prior to recovering the funds, he had publicly said that those who had entrusted him to act as escrow were going to have losses totaling 100% of the bitcoin that was lost...in other words he took no responsibility in even attempting to pay any of the losses out of his own pocket.

If you are in need of an escrow, I would suggest that you look elsewhere.
Youre 100% wrong as usual.
Why don't you clarify then?
4525  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: LN intermediary channels on: April 08, 2017, 09:03:43 PM
2) What happens to A's money that
she sent to G if she never closes
her channel with B?
They remain in A<->B channel. In LN funds belonging to a channel never leave that channel.

Example of Initial state of your piece of LN, channels are enclosed in parentheses:
A(1:0)B(3:2)C(4:1)D(1:2)E(5:6)F(2:0)G

After A pays 1 BTC to F (intermediaries don't charge fees):
A(0:1)B(2:3)C(3:2)D(0:3)E(4:7)F(1:1)G
Each channel contains the same amount of BTC as before. Note, that A can't pay F again through this route, because A's balance is 0, and D's balance (in A->G direction) is also 0.
If G closes his channel with F, they will receive onchain their shares of their channel and that's it.
I don't think that LN node operators will let any of their channels get to a state in which the counterparty's balance is 0 because this would result in a situation in which the counterparty could attempt to close the channel in an "old" state, and would be risking nothing in attempting in doing so.
4526  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Sending transactions only to SegWit miners on: April 08, 2017, 08:12:20 PM

Since segwit requires 95% signaling to activate, most or all miners will be segwit anyway.

If you're asking if today, would it be possible to send your transactions to a pool signaling segwit, the answer is no.  You don't have the power to do that. 
Whoever mines the block decides what transactions to include.


technically it can be done if you set your node to only connect to a pools IP adress of the ones you prefer
or you know the pools API to manually 'PushTX' the transaction to only the pools you prefer

why wouldnt the tx get relayed onward?
It most likely would get relayed. Pools do not want to harm their reputation by confirming a double spend transaction, so they will broadcast any transaction they receive to the rest of the network, and will not accept any transaction that conflicts with other transactions in their mempool.

i dont see how they are at risk of minning a double spend.
if the TX they are withholding from the rest of the network, at one point becomes a double spend, they simply drop it.
This would entail a lot of extra processing all for a few extra measly cents in a transaction. Normally a node will receive a transaction, and if said transaction is valid per the blockchain and does not conflict with another transaction in it's mempool they will accept said transaction, regardless of the attached fee. You are proposing that a (mining) node accept a never before seen transaction, not relay said transaction, and if a conflicting transaction is later received, to drop the original.

This has the potential to result in lower overall transaction fees because the public transaction may have a lower tx fee attached, and if the private higher tx fee transaction was broadcast, then other nodes would have rejected the conflicting public transaction.
4527  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Sending transactions only to SegWit miners on: April 08, 2017, 07:40:47 PM

Since segwit requires 95% signaling to activate, most or all miners will be segwit anyway.

If you're asking if today, would it be possible to send your transactions to a pool signaling segwit, the answer is no.  You don't have the power to do that. 
Whoever mines the block decides what transactions to include.


technically it can be done if you set your node to only connect to a pools IP adress of the ones you prefer
or you know the pools API to manually 'PushTX' the transaction to only the pools you prefer

why wouldnt the tx get relayed onward?
It most likely would get relayed. Pools do not want to harm their reputation by confirming a double spend transaction, so they will broadcast any transaction they receive to the rest of the network, and will not accept any transaction that conflicts with other transactions in their mempool.
4528  Economy / Services / Re: Looking for escrow [urgent] on: April 08, 2017, 07:37:40 PM
Im available depending on the deal. Im not dealing with gift cards or anything illegal
Just an FYI if you use this person as escrow -- a few months ago he was acting as an "escrow" in which significant sums of bitcoin were lost due to his gross negligence. Funds were eventually recovered, however prior to recovering the funds, he had publicly said that those who had entrusted him to act as escrow were going to have losses totaling 100% of the bitcoin that was lost...in other words he took no responsibility in even attempting to pay any of the losses out of his own pocket.

If you are in need of an escrow, I would suggest that you look elsewhere.
4529  Economy / Reputation / Re: Some sort of Conspiracy going on here on: April 08, 2017, 03:02:29 PM
131YqifpKuavYRoMTj53YhVskQMP6581KS is part of [0000408cf7], which has much too many transaction to be considered controlled by a single person -- it is most likely the address of some kind of exchange/service, it could possibly be a cloudbet address that has not yet been spendlinked to the rest of the cloudbet addresses.

Also, quickly looking at the post history of Chevas, I see that his english is fairly good, and would not consider him to be a signature spammer at first glance. A quick look at the post history of the last page of posts by bazar165g make me think that he cannot speak english very well, and see a lot of one liners with very little being put into each post.

Based on the above evidence alone, I don't think they are the same person. Although I have not seen any evidence that would entire exclude them from being the same person, so I would be open to them being the same person if I saw evidence that suggests them to be the same person.
4530  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Multibit HD vs Electrum which is better? on: April 08, 2017, 06:21:51 AM
It is my understanding that as a Multibit HD user, you need to pay a small fee to the Multibit devs in each transaction. This not only increases the costs of using Multibit because of this fee, but also because of the higher necessary TX fee as a result of the extra output (and sometimes extra input in order to pay for this fee).

It is not a good idea to run any kind of wallet software that is generating any seeds and/or private keys and/or signing transactions on a VM as VMs have very bad random number generation.
4531  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The only answer against Miners Mafia is UASF on: April 08, 2017, 05:33:19 AM
The number of nodes is meaningless. It is trivial for someone to spin up 100's (or thousands, or more) nodes with little to no cost. This is especially true when discussing short term trends.

Setting up a node today is not a joke. Have you tried setting one up at litte to no cost as you said? I think you havent tried to. The yearly bandwidth costs alone could set you back a decent amount.
Someone that wanted to setup, say 100 nodes would only need to download the blockchain once. They could then rent cheap VPSs in various datacenters, and set their blocks to 'blocksonly' and enable pruning to some very low number. If you really know what you are doing, you would not even need to send each of your VPSs the blockchain, as you could simply program your node to accept 0000000000000000001523891872bed55d9cfdb60702a47722fc016e503b9602 as the hash of block 460909 (or whatever other actual hash of whatever other block number).

These nodes would really not be *actual* full nodes, however no one from the outside would be able to tell the difference.
4532  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The only answer against Miners Mafia is UASF on: April 08, 2017, 05:09:29 AM
And: Let's have UASF. But let's try to bring more people on board. At least, F2Pool.
The founder of f2pool recently tweeted something that effectively said that he is not going to support SegWit. This was not long after Greg Maxwell made unfounded claims that Bitmain's miners were reverse engineered by himself, and that Bitmain was actively engaging in using ASICBOOST, and that this is why they are against SegWit.
Can you provide a link, very interesting...
https://twitter.com/f2pool_wangchun/status/850053367988592642
https://twitter.com/f2pool_wangchun/status/850060922349432833
https://twitter.com/f2pool_wangchun/status/850061625059024896

The last one appears to effectively be a vote of no confidence for core
4533  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The only answer against Miners Mafia is UASF on: April 08, 2017, 04:40:05 AM
And: Let's have UASF. But let's try to bring more people on board. At least, F2Pool.
The founder of f2pool recently tweeted something that effectively said that he is not going to support SegWit. This was not long after Greg Maxwell made unfounded claims that Bitmain's miners were reverse engineered by himself, and that Bitmain was actively engaging in using ASICBOOST, and that this is why they are against SegWit.
4534  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: lending on poloniex and bitfinex on: April 07, 2017, 04:49:36 AM
Quickseller, also we can touch savings like Magnr.

I am pretty new, but i saw site where about 9 different Exhanges like Toro or BitMex. As i understand i can trade BTC there with higher shoulder. ( is that call fufures? ) Where all that guy taking BTC ti trade without lending?

Also Bitmarket Poland site. Do you know some thing about it? )


crazyivan, thank you. Security advises ever is good. About anti-key logger i even did not heard. Will search some info )
I am unsure of the legitimacy of Magnr, and cannot reasonably advise if it is some kind of scam or not. It looks like they are offering 1.28% APY on BTC deposits (per year), which is not much more than what you would expect to earn in a single month on bitfinex. For this reason alone, I would advise against depositing BTC there as you will almost certainly earn much less than alternatives, and will have less access to your funds.

I had never previously heard of Toro however I would advise against doing so. First of all, their website looks like little effort has been put into it. Secondarily, it looks like when you "invest" in this site, you are more investing in traders' actual positions (if they make money, you make money, if they lose money, you lose money), which is much riskier than giving a loan to fund traders' positions that gets repaid first when positions are closed.

BitMEx offers futures trading and AFAIK, no actual BTC is actually borrowed.
4535  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The only answer against Miners Mafia is UASF on: April 07, 2017, 04:30:06 AM
The number of nodes is meaningless. It is trivial for someone to spin up 100's (or thousands, or more) nodes with little to no cost. This is especially true when discussing short term trends.
4536  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Well, well, well, now we know what Jihan Wu’s been up to. on: April 07, 2017, 03:41:10 AM
It doesn't look like there is very much data available for this measurement. It looks like unit costs of internet declined by ~1/3 in 2015 and 40% in 2014 though. I would be surprised to see those levels of price declines to entirely reverse in the span of two years.

Yea it looks like things have improved in the US since the last time I researched this. But the article I linked from 2011 shows that internet speeds do not follow moore's law and can drop significantly in the course of a few months.

Some anecdotal evidence, my internet speed has dropped from 250mb to 50mb over the past 4-5 years, when it works, due to the 15+ year old coaxial network being congested. I do not have the choice of switching to a different ISP and my ISP has no incentive to do anything about it as there is no competition. Better technology does not mean end users will have access to it.
Fair enough. Although the longer term trends to point to faster internet speeds.

I would also point out that a full node will do very little for you if those you are trading with are not trusting you to send first to them. (at least in terms of security, it will help somewhat in terms of privacy, although I believe this is probably mostly marginal). If you are buying BTC from coinbase and subsequently spending that BTC over time at merchants that utilize BitPay to process their transactions, then using a full node to validate transactions from coinbase will do little good, because if coinbase were to cheat you, they might as well send you nothing, and full nodes do not need to validate that a transaction that you sent has confirmed.
4537  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Well, well, well, now we know what Jihan Wu’s been up to. on: April 07, 2017, 03:34:43 AM
Why would Bitmain not want a larger max block size? Larger blocks will ultimately lead to additional total tx fees (and in turn higher overall block rewards), both of which will lead to greater profitability of those who run their equipment, which would theoretically lead to higher market prices for their equipment, and most importantly, more profits for them.

1. Because killing Blockstream and removing their ability to destroy Bitmain (and Bitcoin) by controlling the protocol is more important.

2. Because SegWit can be added on Litecoin where they can still earn all those fees, and Blockstream will be impotent.

It all about removing the coup d'etat of Blockstream.

In that way I like Bitmain, but as I said the Chinese are fucking with us and making it a fucking mess. I really blame PoW, because PoW makes all of this shit possible.

Can there be a better way? Maybe not. Maybe yes. I have ideas I need to go work on.

So are there are any objections to my analysis of this fucking mess?
1 - they could degrade the influence of blockstream by implementing BU (which they are doing) and/or implementing another scaling solution that blockstream does not support

2 - I don't think Bitmain even sells LTC ASICs. However the market for BTC ASICs is much larger than the market for LTC ASICs.
4538  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Well, well, well, now we know what Jihan Wu’s been up to. on: April 07, 2017, 03:26:16 AM
I am not quite sure where you are getting this number.

https://bitcoin.org/en/full-node#minimum-requirements

Plus my own experience with running a node.

Yes, you can limit this a lot by setting everything to minimum, but then you're not really running a full node.

144 MB per day times 30 days is 4.32 GB per month if all you download is blocks and do not accept incoming connections. 
If you start to accept incoming connections and have 8 peers at any one time, then your bandwidth grows to 34.56 GB per month.

Bandwidth from newly announced blocks is not the only consumption of bandwidth resources. You need to account for:

Transaction relay Accounted for in my 8 peer, receive unconfirmed transactions calculation
New nodes syncing old blocks True, I am not sure how to best measure this
Upload and download bandwidth is not uniform. True, however my 8 peer, receive unconfirmed transactions calculation would be upload, which would be the greater consumer between upload/download
The impact of SPV wallets Each SPV wallet should count towards my 8 connections
Frequency and magnitude of worst-case-scenarios and attacks True, however I don't think these happen frequently, especially not every month
The impact of orphan blocks and reorgs. This should be minimal, maybe 1% increase at best, especially considering that SPV mining reduces orphans/reorgs
The impact of stale blocks. see my response to orphans/reorgs
Blocks may arrive before the last one is received or processed. see my response to orphans/reorgs
Bitcoin does not use bandwidth in a uniform manner, tends to be in spikes. The spikes are due to downloading the entire block once one is found/relayed. This is accounted for in my calculations
Bandwidth availability can vary depending on general ISP congestion. I am not sure how this affects total download/upload amounts when running a node
Transaction backlog and mempool requirements. the minrelayfee should be set to an amount so that you will not relay transactions that are unlikely to get confirmed semi-quickly(maybe 72 blocks) -- I don't see the benefit to relaying these types of transactions for most home users
The processing load of transactions is not identical for every transaction. each transaction that is confirmed still counts against the 1MB per 10 minutes limit. Also this is more a CPU issue, not a bandwidth issue
The impact of block propagation techniques such as invertible bloom lookup tables.
The impact of other bitcoin features, such as replace-by-fee. This is not a feature I support, and as such any node I run will not relay RBF transactions -- I acknowledge others may disagree
The number of peers connected to the node. I understand that it is fairly common for home users to limit their connections to 8
The acceptable latency of blocks when 'catching up' in a series of good luck from miners. This is more of an internet speed issue, not a total bandwidth per month issue as the long term average block time should be about 10 minutes
The effect of pruning nodes vs full nodes. Yes, running a full node might result in more new nodes asking your node for old blocks if there are a lot of pruning nodes
Latency of multiple global hops may become nontrivial. Latency is likely to improve over time, not deteriorate, with the exception of the possibility of a fairly major war breaking out
Other consumers of bandwidth
See my responses in red above.

If you counted the price of both the additional required phone line and the ISP service, it would cost ~$50 for a 28.8k connection about 20 years ago. Using round numbers, the unit cost of internet speeds (download) have decreased by a factor of ~5000x over the past 20 years.
Try the last 1-2 years.
It doesn't look like there is very much data available for this measurement. It looks like unit costs of internet declined by ~1/3 in 2015 and 40% in 2014 though. I would be surprised to see those levels of price declines to entirely reverse in the span of two years.
4539  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Well, well, well, now we know what Jihan Wu’s been up to. on: April 07, 2017, 03:05:07 AM
First item is to understand why Blockstream refused to accept 2MB blocks along with SegWit.

It is not that they feel that 1MB is the optimal number (if the max block size was currently 2MB, they would not be pushing for the max block size to be lowered to 1MB), and it is not that they are against 2MB blocks in itself, it is that they are against any max block size increase ever.

From the core roadmap https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011865.html

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Finally--at some point the capacity increases from the above may not
be enough.  Delivery on relay improvements, segwit fraud proofs, dynamic
block size controls, and other advances in technology will reduce the risk
and therefore controversy around moderate block size increase proposals
(such as 2/4/8 rescaled to respect segwit's increase). Bitcoin will
be able to move forward with these increases when improvements and
understanding render their risks widely acceptable relative to the
risks of not deploying them. In Bitcoin Core we should keep patches
ready to implement them as the need and the will arises, to keep the
basic software engineering from being the limiting factor.

They want improvement and security BEFORE raising the blocksize, nowhere does it say 1mb forever.

But Blockstream's stated logic above makes no sense. The real reason Blockstream doesn't want 2MB blocks now can only be because of what I explained earlier (because there is no other plausible reason that makes any sense).

It makes no sense from both a technology standpoint (i.e. afaik SegWit adds no significant reliability and security that would alleviate issues that a 2MB block could cause, instead the improvements of SegWit are bugs fixes for things that have nothing to do with block size)  and also because it is quite clear that they know Bitmain can covertly block all block size increases, so they know that the 2MB offer is actually a clever ploy of Bitmain wherein Bitmain's own customers will end up blocking the block size increase (so Bitmain can deny that they did it) and also because Blockstream knows they become irrelevant once the market has SegWit and block size increases. The market won't be in any rush to accept further protocol changes from Blockstream. So Blockstream is fighting for their control against Bitmain. So then if you understand all this I have written, then you understand that Bitmain is really against block size increases, but they have such a clever strategy that they can make it appear that they are for larger block sizes. The covert aspect of asicboost is a very key component to the masterful chess that Bitmain is playing. Bitmain's goal is to keep the protocol immutable and to destroy Blockstream. Very simple. But they have a clever strategy will obscures their actual intentions. Blockstream's goal is to be in control of the changes to Bitcoin's protocol.

Read again Bitmain's statement with this new analysis in mind.

I enjoy figuring out these mental chess challenges. That is why I do it. Not because I am for or against anything. I am trying to help readers understand the facts.


First item is to understand why Blockstream refused to accept 2MB blocks along with SegWit.

I haven't actually looked to see their official stated reason, but I can guess that it must be because they know they each time they want to "upgrade" the protocol, they need have some carrot and stick that forces the market to want their upgrade. So keeping blocksize very constrained is necessary so that Blockstream remains in control of the protocol.

In other words, Blockstream can't accept 2MB blocks, because they know their business model depends on them being in control of the protocol of Bitcoin. Also factor in that maybe Bitmain has told them behind the curtain that Bitmain will block all their future protocol changes after the 2MB+SegWit. Blockstream probably couldn't repeat that in public, because Bitmain would deny it and accuse Blockstream of fabricating lies.

Am I correct so far?

First item is to understand why Blockstream refused to accept 2MB blocks along with SegWit.

I haven't actually looked to see their official stated reason, but I can guess that it must be because they know they each time they want to "upgrade" the protocol, they need have some carrot and stick that forces the market to want their upgrade. So keeping blocksize very constrained is necessary so that Blockstream remains in control of the protocol.

In other words, Blockstream can't accept 2MB blocks, because they know their business model depends on them being in control of the protocol of Bitcoin. Also factor in that maybe Bitmain has told them behind the curtain that Bitmain will block all their future protocol changes after the 2MB+SegWit.

Am I correct so far?

It could be a matter of opinion. Or maybe you have perceived one actors tactical methods used in pursuit of their strategic goals.

If you had the chance to get your most significant work approved (SegWit) and only had to accept a 2MB block, why wouldn't you do it?

It makes absolutely no sense. Can you think of any other rational explanation than the one I offered?

Even if Blockstream had an opinion that they don't like 2MB blocks, they wouldn't block their own work over such a small quibble. There has to be a more significant reason they refuse 2MB blocks with SegWit. I offered my reason. Is there any possible other reason that makes any sense?

(note I am so very sleepy, so we may have to continue this after I sleep)

Presuming I am correct that Bitmain knows that Blockstream will never accept a 2MB+SegWit proposal, then you can then re-analyze their statement knowing full well that he knows there will never be big blocks.

Furthermore Bitmain is challenging the community to make AsicBoost patent licensing accessible to everyone. And to enable AsicBoost in the most optimum way. But Bitmain already stated that larger blocks make AsicBoost less efficient.

And remember some "hacker" (which is actually Bitmain but nobody can prove it) can release the covert upgrade so all Bitmain's [existing customers who own] miners on the planet could increase their efficiency and side-step the patent (and also they would be against large blocks).

So Bitmain is total BS about wanting larger blocks. Bitmain is trying to destroy Blockstream by never allowing them to get any protocol changes at all. That is why they proposed the 2MB+SegWit at HongKong. And that is why @Gmaxwell is wanting to block the covert AsicBoost.

But Bitmain has checkmated Blockstream. Think it out. I am too sleepy to explain all the detailed reasoning.


So I hope you understand that I don't think Bitmain nor its customers are currently employing asicboost in mining. Rather Bitmain has an installed base of customers worldwide (where the patent is a liability for the customers) whose hardware could suddenly be made more efficient if Bitmain were to release the software/firmware upgrade to enable asicboost.

Thus Bitmain has a poison pill on any block size increases which won't pin the blame on them for the failure of any soft (or hard) fork which attempts a block size increase. Because a "hacker" (who is actually Bitmain) could release the covert asicboost upgrade over the Internet, and then all those Bitmain customers would be economically incentivized to employ it and to block both block size increases and @gmaxwell's overt BIP (which is supposed to block the covert form of asic boost but not the overt form). Or even some clever people might reverse engineer and design the upgrade from scratch and release it. The point is the customers of Bitmain wouldn't want to run the overt asic boost because they wouldn't want patent liability. And those customers would also not want block size increases because asic boost looses efficiency with larger block sizes.

So Bitmain can block any block size increases without it even being provable that they did obstruct it. It can be made to appear that Bitmain was the good guy and was supporting 2MB blocks, but in fact behind the scenes Bitmain has already told Blockstream the truth and Blockstream is realizing they are fucked and trying to find a way to fight back, but it is too late, they are already checkmated by Bitmain's very clever strategy.

Bitmain urges the community to make the patent licensing available to all (not their patent but the patents held by others on asicboost) so it appears Bitmain is the good guys. Yet in reality, Bitmain knows that the patent licensing won't be forthcoming because you can't organize such a thing given there are multiple patent holders in different jurisdictions. Thus Bitmain knows the covert upgrade is the poison pill that blocks any thing Blockstream would attempt to do. Blockstream is now frantic and desperate.

Given the Chinese now know they have us by the balls, they are always manipulating the LTC markets as well. Using all this to pump up and crash the LTC price at will and taking more BTC from all of us.

I am hating PoW even more. I want to make those ASICs irrelevant. I want to eliminate PoW. I am so tired of all this fighting and manipulation. Before I supported Bitcoin because I thought it was a stable and politics-free reserve currency of the altcoins which I could hold without losing my time on this shit. Now these fuckers have turned the Bitcoin is a fucking noise that makes it just not worth it.

I will kill this shit. I hope you guys understand what is really going on.

Why would Bitmain not want a larger max block size? Larger blocks will ultimately lead to additional total tx fees (and in turn higher overall block rewards), both of which will lead to greater profitability of those who run their equipment, which would theoretically lead to higher market prices for their equipment, and most importantly, more profits for them.
4540  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Well, well, well, now we know what Jihan Wu’s been up to. on: April 07, 2017, 02:52:48 AM
The 300GB/mo bandwidth it takes to run a node is a lot for any home users connection.
I am not quite sure where you are getting this number.

The current max block size is 1 MB, and the difficulty adjusts so that on average there will be 144 blocks found every 24 hours. This is 144 MB per day if you are using the 'blocks only' feature.

144 MB per day times 30 days is 4.32 GB per month if all you download is blocks and do not accept incoming connections.

If you start to accept incoming connections and have 8 peers at any one time, then your bandwidth grows to 34.56 GB per month.

If you want to receive 0/unconfirmed transactions as they appear on the network, then you would roughly double required bandwidth to ~75 GB per month for each of upload and download -- you would want to obviously disable RBF, and would want to set your minrelayfee (or whatever it is called) high enough so that you do not receive transactions that are unlikely to confirm.

You would need some unknown additional amount to account for serving new nodes old blocks.

Even unmetered internet has a "fair usage policy", which is an undisclosed bandwidth limit that the ISP can change at any time. If your running a node at home and have multiple people streaming HD videos, you're going to get a call from your ISP about your "excessive bandwidth usage" regardless of what your limit is.
Looking at cox communications, it looks like that their 'fair use' threshold is at 1TB per month, and effectively only applies in a few cities. This is 3x above your claimed 300 GB per month requirement to run a full node, and ~13x of my above calculations.

I would also point out that it is unlikely that 3MB (or 13 MB) blocks will be full over the long run currently, so even if the max block size were increased to these amounts, you would likely not be in danger of hitting the 'fair use' limits.


It is not unusual to see fairly long periods of nearly 1MB blocks in 2015 and technology has improved in the last two years. The max block size has been in place for ~7 years, and technology has drastically improved since then.

Internet connection speeds have not improved. In the US, the average internet connection speed has been dropping recently due to increased loads due to HD video streaming etc and not enough investment in new infrastructure to counter this.

I am not sure about this. Over the past ~4-5 years, my internet speeds have been growing at a much higher rate than my internet bill. (I don't have specific numbers).

Longer term trends show that residential internet speeds are growing faster than what moores law would anticipate. Again, looking at cox pricing, it currently costs ~$100/month for 300 mbs of internet download speed, and 30 mbs upload speed.

If you counted the price of both the additional required phone line and the ISP service, it would cost ~$50 for a 28.8k connection about 20 years ago. Using round numbers, the unit cost of internet speeds (download) have decreased by a factor of ~5000x over the past 20 years.
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