they actually warn people asking about the 'bonus conditions' that these bonuses are hard to unlock but advance players can(see older pages of this thread), I know somebody who was able to unlock it not only once.
But the conditions weren't in the terms. And if my hypothesis that profit adds to the locked balance but losses don't subtract from it is correct, then you're in a catch-22 as soon as you raise it past your balance. That makes it so that you are literally forced to gamble or forfeit your balance altogether. RulesIs that anywhere there? The answer is no. |
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Duckdice have answered in the scam-accusation thread and have been open to ideas of the community. Nothing more to talk about a player who failed to read the pop-up message.
Indeed more to talk about.
DuckDice sent me a PM to which I had responded 2 days ago. They have yet to reply to my concerns.
Hey man,
you had many interesting insights on how bonuses should work, what is your site actually?
I don't have one. and a few words regarding the scam topic, this one is a bit of a principle position because the guy tried to blackmail us from the first second and honestly speaking we don't believe that he missed a confirmation screen, so the only answer here is that he knew exact amount to subtracted but wanted to do it anyway and get a full refund later.
We don't want to make such precedent.
Supposing that the 'locked balance' only counts positive profit and not losses, if one, for example, loses and gains 1 BTC upon a 1 BTC deposit and bonus, then will the locked balance then show 2 BTC? If this is what you are suggesting then I find it illogical. The locked balance should count both profit and loss. After all, at the end of it, you're not unlocking the 'locked balance' but rather the player balance at the time. There was already another idea mentioned, where one wagers their own balance first. That would be superior to this in terms of how bonuses work. Consider the following: A random player deposits 1 BTC and chooses the 120% bonus. The wagering requirement is 132 BTC. The player chooses 0.25 BTC bets, winning 16 times and losing 20. That is a gross profit of 4 BTC and a net loss of 1 BTC. The player is left with 1.2 BTC and decides to bet 1 BTC to break even. They win. Gross profit: 5 BTC | Net loss: 0 BTC The player sees the locked balance at 5 BTC. They are now forced to play. That's unfair. If he would just agree to make one more deposit (we actually never asked to deposit 5btc, anything above 0.01btc is eligible) we would've just add his amount as a bonus as a "consolation".
You couldn't have reverted anything to back when the bonus was active?
If they simply made the bonus conditions such that one wagered their own balance before the bonus, then all would be well and this situation would be over. |
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That is an altcoin-paid campaign. This is for Bitcoin campaigns only. |
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It meant to be a quote. The topic was even non-crypto related and trivial. Out of the 210 posts I made I get called out for this one single error?
If it was meant to be a quote then you would have sourced it and quoted it.
Hey, have some heart. The real copy pasters just spam threads with lots of copy pasting posts and they are fucking obvious. Please check all my posts. Fallacy of relative privation. And your posts are also shit. |
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Now, ask your own conscience, what u should do?
Site has no leverage on runz whereas players have leverage on the site. Unlikely that the remainder will be returned to the site. |
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Hi all,
Can someone please help me on how to participate in a signature campaign ? I cant really find out, im excited !
It's not rocket science. If you can't figure out how to join one then you don't deserve to be on one. C'mon, im just very excited for turning into a Jr.member, I was just getting something to drink and wanted to search for more information lol Read more, post less. Quality > QuantityPost less by posting more. Read between the lines. |
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Your account got hacked without it having the password changed?
Looking through the seclog there's only one password change, which was a password reset one day after the alleged hacker posted the ponzi thread. Seems to me you're bullshitting.
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I was wondering why those users were posting garbage content that was pointless. There was another (don't think it's copy&paste) on a "new poker room thread" that posted this piece of crap: newpoker is the game which is accepted and receiving the bitcoins.this has no registration fees,we have to login with valid mail id and passward.in internet world we can see number of sites like poker site.it is addiction for some people,so they are wasting their money that game makes more excitement to them.this is slow poison.if we get money that fine otherwise its very bad.
All from TrueFlip. |
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ok bud whatever you say. Im sure you have no bias with all those bitsler ads on your usertags. just keep telling yourself PF PF PF and everything will be fine.
Surely you're not using ad-hominem attacks to justify your point? You can ask anybody else that knows how provably fair verification works and they'll tell you the same thing, that the sites are legitimate and aren't cheating you on the rolls. Sites like Primedice, Bitsler, FortuneJack give you the hashed outcome before your decision. After wagering (or a seed change) you can check if the true results match.
Don't say that there's bias when we're talking about a concept - an idea. Just because I advertise a site doesn't mean I can't talk about a legitimate idea. Am I also not allowed to defend gambling in general?  |
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If you claim the bonus and cancel it directly you still got your initial deposit. The locked balance grows while wagering.
Then what's this? So far we disagree that canceling not only winnings but a deposit as well is "shady" or "unethical"
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provably fair is a funny joke. just look at bitsler fortunejack etc. youll have 10 , billion to one loss streaks in a coupled of hours play but zero billion to one winners ever. For profit gambling sites are fun but thats it. if you want to really use odds play poker in vegas or even a good old fashioned roulette table. gambling sites are a no go for real math
I won't argue about the legitimacy of PocketDice but I will talk about provably fair. You can verify each independent bet to ensure that it is fair, so don't act like live casinos are any fairer than online ones with provably fair algorithms. In fact, live casinos have the ability to cheat you, moreso than these online ones. Gambling sites are a yes-go for real math because here, they offer the most lucrative odds. 1% edge is the norm here and there is a 0.36% edge Blackjack game available to play via Bitcoin as well.
If you don't understand how PF works then that's your problem. If you want to use selection bias to convey your points then that's your problem. Cherry picking data is never the way to go when you want to truly prove something. |
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but look at nitrogen since they tighten the cheating issue i think that the way they handle their freerolls, doesn't seem to harm them at all.
Now wait just a minute! If you're saying NitrogenSports has the collusion issue down pat then you are completely wrong. If you take a look at their 4FL games close to the Daily 100 Flop tournament time, you'll see a lot of 2-seat games happening between two colluders. If you sit down, at least one of them will leave. Read my recent posts on their main thread and/or check out Sadsong's collusion thread.
Point very well taken. I have considered this, as I know this to be true from other brands I have operated (in other marketing verticals).
In regards to Rakeback - What are your thoughts
Daily/Weekly?
What percentage?
Should that percentage change with bigger games?
Weekly rakeback will help prolong gameplay. 2 to 3% would be an incentive. Lower than PokerStars' rake. Increase up to 4.5% to stay competitive and profitable. Offer higher rakeback to players that have played more hands/contributed more rake/etc to further incentivize contribution. A level-rewards system not dissimilar to Betcoin's would be a thought but a simple measure could be to have players achieve a minimum of N rake/flops at a certain stake for X rakeback. |
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1. Bonus algorithm:
You may not like our Bonus algorithm and if you don't like it no one is forcing you to claim it. Users are notified about exact amount that will be subtracted from the balance and there is a specially designed confirmation screen where user confirm and agree with this. DuckDice shall not be liable for users who don't read confirmation screens.
First of all, it wasn't outlined in your terms about how the entire balance was canceled. When a user claims the bonus, it's too late to go back and they are forced to wager 110x or just simply lose their entire balance. That is misleading. In that case, why put a cancel button there in the first place if it's just going to make them lose all their funds?
2. Refund:
There is nothing shady or scammy, it is user's responsibility to read confirmation messages. Better make a thread and ask how many members won big with our bonuses.
Suppose you deposit at my site with 1 BTC but when you withdraw I tell you that you are forced to tip 50% of all your winnings to a random chat member otherwise the balance is taken. You can not make rules appear after the fact when they are not outlined in your terms. That is simply unethical. |
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free rolls are always nice and bring a lot of players.
Freerolls might bring in maybe 1 player for each 20 participants. Rakeback would be far superior in enticing more players to join rather than essentially giving money away for 'promotions'. What you'll get is a lot of players only coming for the freerolls and/or collusion. |
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Thanks, my primary concern was people that use a phone or tablet to browse. People that are using a phone will do a landscape mode to view the table but can they see it without having to scroll left/right is the question.
Using the developer tools on Chrome I checked with various devices and found that the smallest one listed (iPhone 5) was still able to view the entirety of the chart. 
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If you want to search the entire forum, you can go to the search page or to the front page. The limitation I added is that you can either search all boards, or limit it to 1-5 boards. But you can't limit it to 10 boards, for example. ? This does not work. Even at front or search page I see this 5 boards limitation. And how do I search at google for bitcointalk? Is there a special spelling trick at google to only search for a specific website? You can search via google either from the search section of the forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=search(It'll be under google search) or by prefacing your search terms with site:bitcointalk.org |
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If you create a thread in the "Reputation" or "Scam Accusations" board, the latter of which requires some degree of evidence, then you will be able to talk about everything regarding this ICO.
Please publish your findings there instead of via voluntary PM: it'll reach a much larger demographic.
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