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4561  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ethminer-0.9.41-genoil-1.1 on: June 25, 2016, 05:01:22 PM
What is the fix for nvidia 1080 on windows 7 64bit? I am getting .75MH/s, lol.

The fix is don't use Windoze.
Brilliant! This is my main PC and gaming rig. I'm going to be using windows.

use windows , but use windows 10, there may be a fix already

also linux you need to use the server version not desktop, it give you more perf...
Will just upgrading to windows 10 make it work? Or what exactly is the "fix already"? Dload links for drivers/fix?

it should fix it for etheruem and pascal, since we are all waiting for wddm to kick in, and they may be there already you can try with the last driver version, it's a driver problem, nothing can be done via mining software
4562  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price predictions for after the halving on: June 25, 2016, 02:45:05 PM
$850, most likely range 800-900, peak under 1k, otherwise another rally will begin

i believe we will get a continuous up trend after the halving and for the upcming years until the 2020 halving

some big dump are always expected here and there, but they do not matter for me, they are good for trading i guess that's...
4563  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: June 25, 2016, 02:42:01 PM
You can easily estimate the real market for oil by multiplying production by price. 96 million barrels per day would give 35,040 million barrels per annum, which at the price of $50 per barrel would be 1.75 trillion dollars of oil produced annually (for the given conditions). The total amount of all gold out there estimated to be 182,000 metric tonnes which roughly equals to 5,650 million troy ounces. At the price of $1,300 per ounce you get your 7.1 trillion dollars of the so-called "market cap" for gold...

Now, the annual production of oil in dollar terms constitutes only a quarter of all gold produced throughout history

You cant work out gold cap based on physical supply as comex is currently leveraged over 500:1 so market cap is significantly higher.

I'm comparing only physical oil with physical gold. Annual gold production in, say, 2014 reached 2,860 metric tons, which at $1,300 per ounce roughly equals 120 billion dollars. This number amounts to a little over 6% of oil production in dollar terms (strictly speaking, we should use the 2014 prices, and in this case the percentage shrinks to mere 3%). That's why I'm saying that gold market is actually by far smaller than oil market. 7 trillion dollar gold market cap is pointless per se since it cannot be used for comparison purposes. It is just a number which may be fun to count or learn about, lol, but which is as meaningless as it is misleading because it has nothing to do with real markets...

All paper will burn

it does not make sense to ignore the marketcap and see only the trading volume, because it is clear that not all the supply available will ever be used for trading, that's why i was not talking about trading volume, and i don't care about it

even in bitcoin only a tiny % of coins is used for trading the vast majority are in hold mode, some are lost etc...

still the oil marketcap is less significant than gold , that's why there is more swing, but those swing are still insignificant compared to bitcoin p&d, so the theory that a greater marketcap equal to more stability it's correct
4564  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell kernels. on: June 25, 2016, 02:25:54 PM
I'm undecided whether to buy 1x gtx 1070 or 2 amd 480 , I mining all .

Support is still lacking for the 1070/80 on Windows... SP apparently isn't doing anything and Eps works on hobby projects. Ethminer is still broken as well on both cards until Genoil fixes stuff.

That being said, AMD hardware is ruled by private bins, specifically from Wolf0 which he wont sell to you unless you have a lot of BTC and even then... he probably wont. Otherwise you're going to be stuck with slow performance.

Right now older gen stuff is better off...

did you tried the 1070 under win 10 with the 368.20 drivers, it should fix the low hashrate, since wddm 2.1 is showing up there

i don't have a 1070 otherwise i would do it myself, waiting for g1 gaming....


Why are you offering advice when there is no confirmation or rational for it being fixed on W10? Can you point me to a source of NeoS producing normal hashrate on W10?

368.20 doesn't even support 1070/1080. Major support didn't show up till 368.25.

You're one of the few people I'm actually considering putting on ignore as what you talk about or attempt to talk about is highly flawed or just outright wrong. At least attempt to make a effort to check what you're talking about before you post something.

That aside I wasn't even asking for advice, I was giving him advice on the current state of 1xxx series and 480.

http://www.tenforums.com/graphic-cards/54147-nvidia-driver-368-20-wu-wddm-2-1-directx-ddi-11-4-a.html

you think i care about your ignore list, there are many that have done so, i'll continue to quote you regardless, if you ignore me or not

now with those driver there is a possibility to have the fix for the tlb on etheruem for 1070, not NEOS, there is not only neos to be fixed, but in theory neos should be somehow fixed with wddm 2.1, since they share the same problem both eth and neoscrypt...

we know already that they work only on linux(1070/1080), so instead of crying try another route, because you are not helping anyone either with your whining

I'm undecided whether to buy 1x gtx 1070 or 2 amd 480 , I mining all .

Support is still lacking for the 1070/80 on Windows... SP apparently isn't doing anything and Eps works on hobby projects. Ethminer is still broken as well on both cards until Genoil fixes stuff.

That being said, AMD hardware is ruled by private bins, specifically from Wolf0 which he wont sell to you unless you have a lot of BTC and even then... he probably wont. Otherwise you're going to be stuck with slow performance.

Right now older gen stuff is better off...

did you tried the 1070 under win 10 with the 368.20 drivers, it should fix the low hashrate, since wddm 2.1 is showing up there

i don't have a 1070 otherwise i would do it myself, waiting for g1 gaming....

it wont work with 1070 - windows update 368.20 is for maxwell only - for Pascal its 368.39 but if it might be a good idea to extract windows update driver for maxwell and add inf lines for Pascal - but I dont have the time to check - if I do I'll post results

http://www.tenforums.com/graphic-cards/54147-nvidia-driver-368-20-wu-wddm-2-1-directx-ddi-11-4-a.html those driver have updated the wddm, so check them again
4565  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell kernels. on: June 25, 2016, 11:37:08 AM
I'm undecided whether to buy 1x gtx 1070 or 2 amd 480 , I mining all .

Support is still lacking for the 1070/80 on Windows... SP apparently isn't doing anything and Eps works on hobby projects. Ethminer is still broken as well on both cards until Genoil fixes stuff.

That being said, AMD hardware is ruled by private bins, specifically from Wolf0 which he wont sell to you unless you have a lot of BTC and even then... he probably wont. Otherwise you're going to be stuck with slow performance.

Right now older gen stuff is better off...

did you tried the 1070 under win 10 with the 368.20 drivers, it should fix the low hashrate, since wddm 2.1 is showing up there

i don't have a 1070 otherwise i would do it myself, waiting for g1 gaming....
4566  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: People Are Just Too Stupid to Use Bitcoin Right Now on: June 25, 2016, 07:50:44 AM
It's not just that people just don't like change (unless it's the coin kind).  Heck I can't get my Mom away from rotary phones not alone use a new kind of money for things. 

that's normal, people are used to old things and even afraid of new technologies, they used old phone for example for 20 years and they won't go to new phone in days

same with bitcoin, we use fiat for ages now and it will be very, very hard to make people change to bitcoin because it is still new to them

Bitcoin is only for speculation and fiat for real world purposes. Bitcoin confirmations take so much time. imagine people trying to pay groceries in rush hour super market with bitcoin...

i see no problem, the agency behind the grocery will just accept 0 conf payment, and everything will be instant, or off-chain with bitpay

with fiat they actually acvcept "0 conf" all the time...
4567  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: June 25, 2016, 06:51:13 AM
did oil have the same cap of gold? no, gold never had a 30% + swing on daily basis like bitcoin, which was recently dumped and rised again like it was nothing

I'm afraid that the oil market cap is times (if not orders) greater than that of gold market. Gold market is actually minuscule when compared to the volumes of oil traded daily, both physical and paper. Average real demand for oil equals to nearly 96 million barrels of oil and liquid fuels per day. And now add to that the host of oil derivatives markets to get an idea how huge this market actually is (though I shouldn't doubt your obstinacy, lol). It may well happen that the oil market is the largest market ever out there. And it is not unseen for oil to make 20% price swings within just a few days despite the enormous capitalization of this market...

Now go ahead with your usual bullshit and semantic noise

i'm not talking about volume, i'm talking about mere marketcap, gold has around 7T, oil has more than that? i doubt

i can't find a precise number right now on the web for oil....

Well looks like I have played my cards right.

All my profits from bitcoin have been put into gold the last 2 years.

I have just sold a part of my stack and will be dumping the rest Monday morning at dealer.  This then gives me enough cash to pay off the remaining balance of my mortgage so I am one happy chappy.

40 years old and no debt.  No credit cards, no store cards, no loans, no overdraft and no mortgage Smiley


if you think that bitcoin will stop here, you ar ebeing wrong, bitcoin will at least double on each halving, as expected

so by 2028, you will have around 6-8k in bitcoin at the very least
4568  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Can coins like Monero challenge Bitcoin? on: June 25, 2016, 06:46:41 AM
are you livig under a rock, monero has its chance in 2014, now it is like forgotten, etheruem was the only coin with a very tiny possibhility to challenge bitcoin, and it failed as expected
4569  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Radeon released RX 480. on: June 25, 2016, 06:41:05 AM

1070 is giving 27 mh/s on linux using 125 watts whereas 480 can give you upto 28 MHS using 120 watts . First the estimated MHS speed of Rx 480 was 30 MHS but its real speed is 24 using 120 watts and 28 using 120 watts ( Maybe possible ) not confirmed .
First of all 1070 is doing 27mhs at ~105-110w

And i had a brief chance to test 480 - its doing 24 at 110w but thats without any tuning (had just 30 min with the card)
Ive also tried claymore - its 24 and 345 decred - didnt check wattage
Also tried to test other algos with sgminer 5.1, 5.3, 5.4 with neoscrypt, quark and lyrarev2 - all crashed - later i'll try to post the error message except neoscrypt with wierd results of 25khs (all on win 10 64)
There also some other interesting news/ovservations
- 4gb version will be 7000mhz vs 8000mhz - this will directly impact ether - should be 21mhs for 4gb stock board (but of course needs it testing/confirmation)
- overall the cooler is.. 200$ cooler - probably ok for gaming but im not sure if its good for mining - i think i saw 89c with eth+ dcr with claymore - but i cant say what fans curve were - so it might be better maxed out - its just cheap cooler and probably partner boards will be way better
Unfortunetley lack of results for other algos is a big if... and we have to wait for optimized software
One thing is for sure - this board is much better mining board than gaming board Wink


i think the 480 can do better on widnows 7 on the other algo, also for the 1070 you tried on win 10 with the last drivers version, i see that they have upgrade the wddm to 2.1, maybe will do a good hash now
4570  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ethminer-0.9.41-genoil-1.1 on: June 25, 2016, 05:57:33 AM
What is the fix for nvidia 1080 on windows 7 64bit? I am getting .75MH/s, lol.

The fix is don't use Windoze.
Brilliant! This is my main PC and gaming rig. I'm going to be using windows.

use windows , but use windows 10, there may be a fix already

also linux you need to use the server version not desktop, it give you more perf...
4571  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ethminer-0.9.41-genoil-1.1 on: June 24, 2016, 06:34:25 PM
What is the fix for nvidia 1080 on windows 7 64bit? I am getting .75MH/s, lol.

there isn't, but try this if you can

Can anybody with a 1080 or 1070 and Win10 try to get 368.20 drivers running? They are installed by Windows Update and may require a Windows Insider subscription. When running dxdiag with 368.20, WDDM version is upgraded from 2.0 to 2.1. No TLB fix for my 970, but it may solve the issue on Pascal cards.

i think on win 7 new pascal are doomed for etheruem, there will not be any good hashrate there
4572  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ccminer 1.7.6 with Decred Blake2S & pool benchmarks - opensource (tpruvot) on: June 24, 2016, 04:40:55 PM
i still dont have imported the last djm version... but its on my todo list for the 1.8

are you planning to optimize it for pascal?

I replaced just my 970 with a 1080 and the temp in my room has been night and day difference.

The only thing I hate is the price but oh well.

As Epsylon3 said above maybe down the road the cards can be taking advantage of for mining.

The price/performance may not be ideal yet but there should be much more potential for SW optimizations.
And the power savings alone is worth it unless Maxwell prices drop significantly.

I also wonder about the possible 32 GB barrier. I'm not aware of anyone getting more than 5 980ti's working.
With the 8 GB on the 1080 & 1070 this could be limited to 4. Hopefully this is just a simple driver fix and not something
more fundamental.

there is already one guy on the ethereum forum running 3 x rig with six 1070 each, without problem, so apparently this is not a real issue, or maybe only with windows? he is using linux

On Linux :


So 48 GB seems to be good here too

perhaps is exactly windows the problem...again, what algo is that at 40MH for each 1080? lyra2v2?
4573  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: June 24, 2016, 01:25:22 PM
bitcoin is prone to manipulation, only because it is very small, its marketcap it's a joke, i'm sure with a trillion market cap,you won't see anymroe those ridiculous p&d of 30%+

if they want a more stable bitcoin, just buy more and bring it to its proper value, which is somewhere in the range of 6 digits

You don't get it (and most likely will never do). The market cap you are talking about is nothing more but volatility at its upper current limit. Even if it grows ten-fold, it will still be volatility. Just buying and holding only further contributes to higher volatility since it decreases the amount of coins in active circulation, thereby increasing Bitcoin susceptibility to pumps and dumps...

I don't write this for you, you needn't try to refute this point

ten fold is not enough, i think you missed my "6 digit" because ten fold it's only 6k, 6 digit it's 100-1k fold

To begin with, "ridiculous" (as you call them) pumps and dumps of +30% are nothing out of the ordinary for multitrillion markets as well (and, surprise, for gold too). Oil fell within a year a few times (not some 30%), then rebounded from $26 per barrel to over $50 in less than half a year (starting February)...

I leave it to you to learn in detail (or "teach", lol) what was going on at silver market just 5 years ago, but insert a chart to give everyone an idea



did oil have the same cap of gold? no, gold never had a 30% + swing on daily basis like bitcoin, which was recently dumped and rised again like it was nothing

there is nothing so volatile as bitcoin for now, unless i'm missing something that can rise and fall so fast and in a very short time frame
4574  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: June 24, 2016, 10:51:55 AM
bitcoin is prone to manipulation, only because it is very small, its marketcap it's a joke, i'm sure with a trillion market cap,you won't see anymroe those ridiculous p&d of 30%+

if they want a more stable bitcoin, just buy more and bring it to its proper value, which is somewhere in the range of 6 digits

You don't get it (and most likely will never do). The market cap you are talking about is nothing more but volatility at its upper current limit. Even if it grows ten-fold, it will still be volatility. Just buying and holding only further contributes to higher volatility since it decreases the amount of coins in active circulation, thereby increasing Bitcoin susceptibility to pumps and dumps...

I don't write this for you, you needn't try to refute this point

ten fold is not enough, i think you missed my "6 digit" because ten fold it's only 6k, 6 digit it's 100-1k fold

yes the marketcap play a HUGE role instead, just take a look at gold, it is less volatile only because of its marketcap, not because it has intrinsic anti-instability property...
4575  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Uther – Make Ethereum Better, based on Ethereum on: June 24, 2016, 10:49:53 AM
Seams it was a wast of time mining this think it might be time to dump it before there are no buys left

i told you so, only few minority will skyrocket the vast majority are bound to be forgotten

usually those that have a dev that is not active are prone to die easily
4576  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell kernels. on: June 24, 2016, 10:43:09 AM
he is hiding somewhere, because he was active yesterday
4577  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Not a true fan of Eth, but if profitable why not? on: June 24, 2016, 06:43:20 AM
shift has almost the same profit, it's really beyond me why people are so focused on ethereum when it's not the first flag anymore

i suspect another etheruem clone will take it's place or a new enterely coin, maybe zerocash, and this will happen soon, since etheruem is doomed to be a shitty pos
4578  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Electricity Included in Rent - Cheapest Setup to Mine? on: June 24, 2016, 06:41:28 AM
If you live in a small apartment you need to consider the fact that most Bitcoin miners are very loud. Maybe get some GPUs and mine ETH instead since they are silent.

at present a s9 is better than a six rig gpu, or almost there, after the halving not anymore

so he can go with a s9 and sell it before the halving, it may be a nice hit and run strategy
4579  Economy / Speculation / Re: Sudden drop in price: Have we missed any latest news? on: June 24, 2016, 06:33:41 AM
Perhaps has to do to with this, related with Brexit?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-cox-dead-live-updates-8207676

 or is it all about traders?





it's not related to that, but it's true, that manipulators like to take advantage of outside news, to do their dirty movements on the market

so it's about trading and casual pump and dump to accumulate more, from the whale, but they use external news to rise the success of their manipulation
4580  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: June 24, 2016, 06:30:31 AM
bitcoin is prone to manipulation, only because it is very small, its marketcap it's a joke, i'm sure with a trillion market cap,you won't see anymroe those ridiculous p&d of 30%+

if they want a more stable bitcoin, just buy more and bring it to its proper value, which is somewhere in the range of 6 digits
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