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4581  Economy / Speculation / Re: something is happening in europe :) on: June 17, 2012, 05:02:11 PM


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The European volume is increasing.

But why can't I hear the music?   Huh

 Grin
4582  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin: low transaction fees, I don't think so on: June 17, 2012, 04:42:23 PM

It is natural, moral, legitimate, efficient, and productive to seek the highest profit one can obtain, so long as one doesn't resort to fraud, deception, trickery, or theft in order to obtain it.

That doesn't have to mean trying to extract as much material profit as one can from every person, situation, and environment one encounters in life.

I don't see anyone trying to deny you or anyone a fair return on your efforts. If you were paying attention you may have noticed that both fergalish  
and I provided an example where one could get even greater profits while at the same time serving ones customers in the best possible way at
fair prices.

I too am disappointed at the way you seem to often want to reduce things to a simplistic level in discussions like this, as if it is only possible to see
profit in terms of a choice between the two absolutes of "good" and "bad".  

I see it as more of a choice between the exercise of creativity and a more long term, wider and deeper vision, or the more lazy and shortsighted ways
of trying to grab a quick buck.  

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It is by the mechanism of each individual seeking to maximize profit (so long as it's done honestly) by which proper market price discovery occurs, and resources are allocated most effectively. If you charge below what you can otherwise obtain, you are sending a signal that the service you're providing is less valuable than otherwise, meaning production of that service will be lower than otherwise, meaning other market participants will be misled by a price signal that was distorted.

Indeed, one could make the argument that charging less than you can, while being good for the person on the other side of the transaction, is in fact harmful in aggregate to those around you.

Sounds like little more than justifications to me. There are many examples of things like generosity and philanthropy resulting in great good for businesses which embrace such ways.  

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If you find a service provider's fee to be too high, then don't use them. Simple simple!

I find this a disappointing attitude coming from a business man as well.  Take it or leave it?  I would suggest it makes for a better business to treat customers, and potential customers, with greater respect. The best businesses I have known, and been lucky enough to be a part of at times, encourage feedback, even if it is negative.  I see such businesses thrive which do the best job of cultivating open discussions and two-way relationships with their customers.  

And that is the point I feel. There is I feel new and better ways ( actually very old ways ) of doing business than a lot of what I have witnessed in many modern corporations and initiatives etc.  It is about thinking a little bit less, just a little, about what one can personally gain and just a little more about how one can serve not only ones customers but ones communities and the greater economies we are all a part of.

There is a sweet spot ( maybe more than one... maybe several... )  between the relative goods and bads, where ones most optimal result is obtained by helping the other
find theirs. Where customers are excellently served and merchants are amply rewarded.

And it seems to me that it is the seeking of that ideal which brings the greatest reward, not only in material terms, and makes for not only better business but more harmonious relations among people in general.  

I see Bitcoin as being a potentially helpful tool in moving us in these directions and am just disappointed when I see so many new Bitcoin businesses fail to see such potentials and instead resort to the usual money grubbing ways which seem common for our time.  

I see fergalish has posted a response while I have been typing this, but I will post this anyway even though I am sure he already did a good job.  Besides I spent too much time on this just to throw it away...  Smiley

4583  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Version 0.6.2 available on: June 16, 2012, 09:30:46 PM
I think it would be more useful, for people like me who don't keep the client running all the time, to display the date and time for when transactions are added to the blockchain and not when my client happens to catch up and notices those transactions. 

For instance I might do several transactions over the week but when I start my client up at the end of the week - today for example - it makes it appear all those transactions happened just today. 

I know I could investigate using blockchain.info to find this information but it would more convenient if the client could display proper transaction times. 

For people who do keep the client running all the time they wouldn't even notice a change if this was implemented. 
4584  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: cavirtex.com - Canadian Bitcoin Exchange now LIVE on: June 16, 2012, 02:35:34 AM

Sending money to virtex.., No online method that a bank provides is allowed..


MUST be cash, presented to a teller..


From their announcements:

June 15, 2012, 11:04 a.m. - No longer accepting RBC Online Transfers

We will no longer accept RBC to RBC online transfers due to the potential for fraud/identity theft. All RBC deposits must be made in person with cash or wire transfer. This is not to be confused with online bill payments which we still do accept.


4585  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin: low transaction fees, I don't think so on: June 15, 2012, 10:38:36 PM

Really, guys, what's the point of a revolutionary new currency if nothing really changes? We'll just get a different cartel of geek bankers? I was hoping for better.


You still don't get it. Transaction fees != fees for using services (btc mixing, exchange, stock ex etc..)

He clearly isn't talking about transaction fees. A lot of you need to go back and read what he actually is talking about.

He makes some good points. I agree that sombunall ( 'some but not all' ) new Bitcoin businesses are missing a great
opportunity by seeming to go after the quick buck rather than having a more long term vision which would help not
only their own business but Bitcoin as a whole.  

I stated a similar view when I saw how much money some people were asking for their music on the coindl site.  

What is the incentive for someone to buy something with this weird bitcoin stuff on some dodgy
and ugly(imo) website if they can get something just as good, or better, for the same price at itunes?  

A lot of newbie Bitcoiner merchants seemingly can't see how they may make more money by selling a song
hundreds of times for nickels and dimes rather than a few songs for a $1.  

Bitcoin is perfect for microtransactions because all the profit doesn't get eaten up in paypal or CC fees...
and everyone here no doubt knows of the other advantages for consumers and merchants.

A lot of people still don't get that average people don't give a crap about the advanced crypto tech
or egalitarian philosophy of bitcoin, but if they can save a significant amount of money then they
surely would consider using it.

4586  Other / Off-topic / Re: this is crazy on: June 15, 2012, 08:33:48 PM
I tend to agree with this comment there:

"This is just a marketing video. Nothing more."
4587  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: cavirtex.com - Canadian Bitcoin Exchange now LIVE on: June 15, 2012, 08:26:24 PM
Unfortunate they no longer support online transfers to fund CAD accounts.

The only change with online transfers is RBC to RBC is no longer allowed.  If you are verified you can still do online bill payment, or have them do a direct withdraw from your account, or direct deposit to your account.  To me it looks like they just removed their most risky money movement method, and added a bunch of cool new features.  Now if only they could get bitinstant attached....

+1
4588  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to get Free BitCoins on: June 15, 2012, 05:01:20 PM
From the New to BitCoin? Start here! sticky in the Bitcoin Forum > Bitcoin > Bitcoin Discussion forum:

Where do I get free bitcoins?        Discussion thread here

If you have a site that gives out free bitcoins, or know of one, then please submit a link to it in that thread. 

Thanks
4589  Other / Off-topic / Re: Are we winning the "drug war"? on: June 15, 2012, 04:49:21 PM
The drug gangs and cartels are clearly winning...

"The more effective prohibition is at raising costs, the greater are drug industry revenues. So, more effective prohibition means that drug sellers have more money to buy guns, pay bribes, fund the dealers, and even research and develop new technologies in drug delivery (like crack cocaine). It’s hard to beat an enemy that gets stronger the more you strike against him or her."
  - http://www.forbes.com/sites/artcarden/2012/04/19/lets-be-blunt-its-time-to-end-the-drug-war/


As well as Governments and other official agencies that use it as an excuse to bring forward all kinds of draconian measures to use against citizens they don't like.  
4590  Other / Off-topic / Re: RawDog offers his support in times of crisis on: June 15, 2012, 03:56:44 PM
It been said to never miss an opportunity, no matter how... (paraphrased as to what's been said, but you (or you'll) get the gist)

I say somebody should set up a Bitcoin donation fund in his name. Seriously! Making sure that he's well aware that such a fund exist. Then he'll rant about it to his minions. Make sure to first create the vanity address 1RawDog...

~Bruno~


 Roll Eyes

"How pathetic are these hackers! They are so desperate to hook others into their scammy ponzi scheme that they are trying to bribe me! Not only that but the useless bitcoins some of them sent to me was stolen by some other hacker! They will say that they can prove that it wasn't stolen and that I exchanged it for real money but they are of course lying and can't prove anything because the whole thing is a scam!"   

Nothing is to be gained by trying to engage rabid dogs in reasoned debate.  Just sit back and enjoy the show from a safe porch. 
4591  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin introduced as a new payment option at The Swiss Pharmacy on: June 15, 2012, 03:40:12 PM

I could purchase my preferred medicine from Silk Road for a while now, if I wanted,
but its good there are more places that sell other medications. 

That site is slow for me too. 

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Bitcoin makes use of public-key cryptography using Elliptic Curve DSA to secure transactions.

Say what? umm, my head hurts...

"We have a pill for that!" 
4592  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Charlie Shrem on National Affairs - Canada TV 4:30 EST Thurs on: June 15, 2012, 12:31:24 AM
Are there any 7-11s or CVS in Canada?

Canada has 7-11s and Walmarts but you can't buy bitcoins at any of them yet. 
4593  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Coming next week-- the world's first handheld Bitcoin device, the Ellet! on: June 13, 2012, 04:18:38 PM
So is this real or not?
In 4-6 weeks, same as the magazine. Grin

Seriously, I have a theory: I'll bet MNW was pissed at the slow development cycle (perhaps even so with the magazine), and decided to publicly announce it in order to kick everyone into high gear. Protip: Doing that makes mistakes more likely, and won't help quality control and "making a perfect product". As you should have learned already.

I think the recent bitcoincard meeting in Vienna was the main reason to rush his announcement. And look at all his negative/FUD comments about the bitcoincard - if he just wanted to push his paypal device, there would be no need to behave that way.


I think that latter is a good theory.  Lets hope the competition spurs each group to improve their devices rather than causing them to resort to unprofessional attacks. 
4594  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Selling online never been easier thanks to Mt.Gox's new “Pay Now” button! on: June 13, 2012, 04:08:35 PM
Feature request: The ability to view and delete buttons that have been created. Unless I missed something obvious, there is no way to see buttons that I have created once I have navigated away from the page where I make them.

+1 

A choice of different button sizes would be nice as well, particularly smaller ones. 
4595  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Best practical uses for bitcoin? on: June 09, 2012, 04:58:43 PM
http://thesaurus.com/browse/fair


I think equitable, unbiased and impartial are a lot better adjectives to describe Bitcoin rather than the highly subjective fair.

http://thesaurus.com/browse/nitpicker

or is "carper" or "quibbler" better?   
4596  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Best practical uses for bitcoin? on: June 09, 2012, 03:54:59 PM
Vandroiy, I'm sorry to nitpick but I wouldn't label Bitcoin fair. It's actually highly unfair to those who do not have cheap electricity, or who don't have a high end mining hardware, or to those who don't know how to secure the use of the Satoshi client being forced to use and pay fees of ewallets, or to those who were late to hear about it and were forced to pay higher exchange rates for a lower amount, ect.

I think the word that's better suited for what I assume you meant to convey is honest. Bitcoin is truly honest in the sense that it's piratically impossible to counterfeit or doublespend or chargeback or break any of the other rules governing it no matter who you are.

 Roll Eyes

It's fair in that it treats everyone by the same rules. The fact that people bring different resources could be interpreted as an unfairness in the world, but not Bitcoin.

+1
4597  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Coming next week-- the world's first handheld Bitcoin device, the Ellet! on: June 08, 2012, 07:04:39 PM
Ente

Ja, glaub auch, dass das eine Ente ist Sad

Die einzige Ente hier bist Du!  Smiley

It seems you are the one trying to duck those valid questions.   Wink
4598  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: GPU Nectar? Code name for bitcoin when it becomes verboten on: June 08, 2012, 05:07:02 PM
I was just reading an article on Forbes.com describing how with the black market for dollars in Venezuela, traders refer to the bills as "green lettuce”, “fresh avocado” or “your Benjamins” instead of "dollars".

That looks more like slang than code intended to hide some illicit activity. That, seems to me, would be like drug dealers using words like "weed" thinking that the cops wouldn't know what they are talking about.  Cheesy 

Slang for Bitcoin that I have heard used: 
bits
b's(bees)

Code on the other hand...  well if you are looking for some good code words then the last thing you would want to do is choose and announce it on a public forum.   Wink

4599  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Coming next week-- the world's first handheld Bitcoin device, the Ellet! on: June 08, 2012, 12:43:32 AM
Two words - App Store  Smiley

2 words: kicked out

Perhaps CCM is referring to this section of the OP:
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The Ellet can also update automatically from the Ellet store, and wireless download Ellet plugins like margin trading plugins for Kronos.io.

If the intention is to follow Apple's "crystal prison" business model, I would want nothing to do with this device. 
4600  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Coming next week-- the world's first handheld Bitcoin device, the Ellet! on: June 07, 2012, 04:15:04 PM
Seriously tho if you really trust that all smartphone manufactures are not hiding packets of data that send statistical usage and data behind your back(without your consent) then please continue to use the smartphones to trust your money with it.

Why should the average consumer trust this new device any more than existing devices? Because Bitcoin!   Wink
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