Really, are you certain about that?  Have you taken inflation into consideration?  And anyway, I'd say that gold has been a lousy investment since 2011 when it peaked and then started its long, slow decline.  Interestingly enough, from 2011 to present, you could constantly read quotes like this:


....and articles hyping gold's value as a hedge against inflation, and all of the same arguments for gold that goldbugs make whether the market for gold is up or down.  For them, there's never a bad time to buy or a good time to sell.  You know why?  They want to sell you gold.

My advice would be to tune out anyone who makes outrageous predictions about the price of gold (or silver), because those predictions are usually made to keep the name of the person who made the prediction in the news, to keep themselves relevant.

That's highly unlikely, and I'm assuming you're not familiar with Buffett's investing style.  He actually invested in a mining company and not physical gold, and my guess is that he sees value in the business itself rather than being bullish on gold.

As stated in the title, I have 0.012BTC and need PayPal funds at preev 1:1.  I can sell less than the full amount if you don't need that much.

I will not send first unless you have significant green trust or if I've done business with you before.

This will be a neutral feedback transaction.

Send me a PM if you're willing to help me out, as I might miss seeing this thread if you post here.

Local rule:  Please do not post here unless you're interested in doing this deal and are at least a Sr. Member or a member I've done business with before.  PayPal is very risky because of the chance of chargebacks, but I have never done this and won't ever.

Deal done with Legion13.  Locking thread now.

Yeah, suchmoon is the man/woman/whatever when it comes to merit generosity (for this month at least), and it's nice to see reports like this.  I don't think of it as a competition, but the higher I am on a monthly list of most generous merit-givers, the happier I am.  Why?  Because it means I'm probably doing a decent job as a merit source, a position I take pretty seriously as I'm a strong supporter of the merit system. 

I assume fillippone is a merit source, so there's no reason for him to ever hoard merits.  Don't know if it's the same with all the merit sources, but my sMerits get replenished very quickly--way faster than it was when I first got tapped to be a source.

That's probably not what they meant, but it's definitely not a bad idea depending on how old your children are.  I'm not sure what use kids have for bitcoin (probably not as a currency), but teaching them how to save and a little bit about investing is a good thing for all ages.

But dammit, it figures that I bought a Nano X less than a month and a half ago, at full price of course.  I forgot that they periodically offer discounts, and had I remembered I might have been patient enough to wait.  Ah well. 

Thanks for posting the announcement anyway, OP.

Good job finding this scam, OP.  Looks like yet another DeFi scam, and they're just going to keep coming.  Maybe when all is said and done, somebody could compile all the ICO and DeFi scams and see which had more of them--I'm too ignorant and lazy to do that, but I know there are some super-motivated members on the forum who'd love to take on a project like that.

And what the hell does this even mean:



Yield farming, liquidity mining, buybacks, and burning....I'm assuming that's all DeFi-speak.  I've been trying to learn the basics of DeFi, but all that is Greek to me.  

The two of you ought to start formal scam accusation threads against Economy if you're sure you've been scammed.  It's important to present evidence to prove you've been scammed, and it's a service to the community.

Loicson, the Scam Accusation section is here.  I'm pretty sure dozerz knows the drill.

Maybe I'm not getting out as much as I used to, but I'm not seeing people who are demotivated/demoralized out there in the real world.  In fact, I'm starting to see people ignore social distancing guidelines and people not wearing face masks anymore.  In my area at least, people are sick and tired of being scared of a virus that's truly not as bad as it's being portrayed.

In some towns in my state, kids are going back to school and a lot of businesses have already opened up again.  I understand that the reaction to COVID-19 varies (certainly from country to country), but where in the world are there people still being devastated by this pandemic?  I ask that sincerely, since I haven't really been keeping up with news about COVID-19 even in my state, and I know absolutely nothing about how it's affecting other countries.

CBD is definitely legal in my state, though I don't know about the maximum THC content can be, if any.  I don't live in a state where marijuana has been legalized. 

Yep, you're right about that--but luckily the youth of today are realizing this and are fighting back against the militarization of police (and cops in general) all across the country.  Though I don't agree with a lot of their demands (like complete defunding of the cops), it's great to see all the protests happening.

As to the topic, I do indeed think making cannabis legal can help the economy, and I wish it was legal in all 50 states with minimal restrictions, or at least not more restrictive than alcohol.  The tax revenue certainly could help the government fund all this money printing and stimulus and everything else they're doing to dig the country into a hole that our kids and grandkids are going to have to dig themselves out of.  And yeah, there's a possibility that it would create jobs, but I think the taxation would be the primary benefit.

Most of what OP has been writing lately has been. 

That debate could take up a whole thread of its own, but that's one point on which I think you're wrong.  Education is never pointless or worthless, even though the cost of attending university has shot up in the past couple of decades.  I would concede that some college majors are pointless, but only from the perspective of using that major to get a job after graduation.  If I were just starting to attend university right now, there's no way in hell I'd pick a major like sociology, psychology, gender studies, or even math/physics unless I was intending on going on to graduate school.

What crash are you referring to?  I was looking at the S&P 500 graph earlier, and it's now higher than it was pre-COVID-19.  The stock market is soaring, as are precious metals, and bitcoin is above $10k.  The flash crash we had because of the viral outbreak is a thing of the past at this point.

Really?  What types of horror stories have you heard, exactly?  Can I assume that you mean that the devices had been tampered with?

I can understand not wanting to buy a HW wallet from eBay, but to the best of my knowledge if you bought a Ledger from Amazon, for example, it's Ledger that ships it.  I've bought two of them from Amazon so far and have hadn't had a security issue yet.

What kind of wallet was it?  That's disturbing, assuming it's true--no offense.

In any case, there's nothing to be lost or gained by buying a HW from the official site except whatever perks you'd normally get if you bought it from Amazon or some other place.  Don't know if OP has his mind made up yet, but I'd go with a Ledger, either a Nano S or X. 

I'm pretty sure you can even pay with bitcoin if you wanted to.  That might be the case with Trezor and other manufacturers as well, but I haven't checked.

I'm obviously a latecomer to this thread, but is the above statement true?  I hadn't heard of Binance imposing any such restrictions on its customers--but then again, I haven't been one of their customers in a long time and I don't use mixers anyway.  If that is indeed the case, I'm sure it's not something Binance has chosen to do; I'm sure governments hate mixers with a passion.

But anyway, none of that means there hasn't been and can't still be progress in cryptocurrency, not just in India but all over the world.  There are a lot of Indian members of the forum, but I wonder how many Indians own or use some type of crypto as a percentage of India's population.  I bet the figure is pretty low, and I'd also bet that there's a lot of room for progress. 

I'd agree with that 100%, and it's a general truth that any given country is probably a lot different than how most foreigners perceive it to be, unless they've been there themselves.  I hear stories about Indians shitting in the streets, but having met some who've immigrated to the US, I've found them to be very intelligent and civilized.  I don't know much about their culture, but I don't think India is in the stone ages as far as crypto goes.

I'm still thinking the stock market is overvalued, but I just took a look at the YTD chart for the S&P 500, and it's just barely above the point it was at in February when the COVID-19 situation started to negatively affect the stock market.  So at the moment I write this, that index has indeed made a complete recovery--and I still don't understand why it happened.

Not sure what the status of the next round of stimulus money is for US citizens, but I'd imagine that if everybody got another check for $1200, we'd see even more asset inflation--stocks primarily, but probably bitcoin and metals as well. 

I didn't get a good vibe from the stock market this past week, though.  It seemed like there were more down days than up, though looking at the YTD chart it just looks like regular fluctuations, and I wouldn't bet there's a trend forming yet.  I've got my eyes peeled on pharmaceutical stocks, but I've been watching the market as a whole as well.  We'll see.  We're still in lunatic territory.

Yeah, I'm still learning about it slowly--I don't really have any interest in putting my money into any DeFi projects, so I haven't been very motivated to figure out how it all works.  But you're right, this section's recent posts for at least a month have been mostly scam DeFi projects, and this is exactly how it was a couple of years ago with ICOs.  Scammers are using the same tricks, too.

If the time comes when our very talented scam sniffers can't identify a fake or stolen photo, watch out.  I'm actually surprised these idiot scammers haven't figured out a way to fake their team photos without the possibility of getting caught.

Good catch, OP.  Fortunately they don't have a forum presence.

This is all to make a decentralized trading platform on the back of a centralized trading platform (Binance) if I'm not mistaken?  My understanding of DeFi isn't all that deep, but I sort of see what Binance is doing here, and I watched their BSwap explanation video.

It'll be interesting to see if things like this are successful or not.  I suspect at least with Binance, there will be a lot of their customers wanting to try it out, and there's a low chance that it's anything like a shit exchange like Yobit would offer, so that's a plus.

How many tokens would Binance need to create for the services you've listed?  I see they're creating BEL for the Launchpool trading pairs, but would there need to be more tokens created for other pairs? 

Oh no, I'm losing power!  What will I ever do if I keep slippin' on down?

Lol, seriously....I'm far from a statistics geek, haven taken an intro course in college and not finding it to my liking, but I'm surprised there hasn't been more sharp variations in the data over the time frame shown, at least for the top 10 data.  The reason I'm surprised is probably because I'm a dumbass statistics non-geek. 

And I guess this thread has been going on for a few months but this is the first time I'm seeing it.  It's odd to find myself in the top 10 "strongest" DT1 members.  Don't know how I ended up in that list, but I appreciate the trust members apparently have in me.

That was an interesting article, and thanks for posting it.  I live in the US, and there's basically no bargaining/haggling about prices except for things like cars or if you're dealing with an individual as opposed to a business. 

I don't quite understand currency trading, so I can't give you a good answer to your question, but I related to this statement from what you wrote in the OP:

You mentioned pizza, and my local pizza joint just raised their prices fairly significantly, so I think the effects of rampant money printing and/or COVID-19 are starting to show themselves.  And if you look at prices of things like stocks, bitcoin, precious metals, they're all sky high.  Everything is starting to get inflated, and I don't see any end in sight to this.

That is true.  The same situation happened when cryptotalk.org was just kicking off, and members there were doing all sorts of cross-posting between that forum and bitcointalk.  No surprise there, since cryptotalk attracted the crud that's stuck to the bottom of the barrel of bitcointalk for their membership, so the only things that were/are posted on cryptotalk are plagiarized or totally incoherent spam.

Never heard of swiftcointalk, but I bet there's going to be lots of cross-posting going on as well--examples of which have already been posted by OP.  Maybe some highly-motivated forum detectives can keep an eye on it.

Yeah, that's certainly a possibility.

I might be a complete dumbass, but why have I never heard of them?  I'm particularly surprised at my ignorance that they've been doing this for years since there was so much hype over Bakkt, which offers similar options contracts if I'm not mistaken.  Why was there so much anticipation about Bakkt's launch if LedgerX was around the whole time?  Again, this is probably just my ignorance of derivatives trading.  Is it because Bakkt was meant to cater to large institutional investors trading huge amounts of bitcoin, whereas LedgerX is smaller?

Also, their name is forever going to confuse me with the Ledger Nano X.  There's no corporate connection, I assume?

Yeah, that's the part I don't get about that theory, that the banks crashed the price of bitcoin.  I don't see any reason for them to do that, nor do I think there's an easy way for them to manipulate the market that drastically without putting their own money at high risk.

So no, in this case I don't think the correlation is indicative of causation.  My guess as to why bitcoin fell a couple thousand dollars is that traders who made a profit from the price rise cashed out en mass.  I mean, come on.  We've seen these kinds of price movements many times before, and usually there's no obvious cause.

Also, I could swear Pornhub already accepted bitcoin.  Maybe it was some other porn service--my memory of such things isn't all that sharp since I detest pornography.

That's almost exactly what I wrote in another thread about Yobit's new scheme:

And this is pretty much exactly the same crap that every "HYIP" or Ponzi puts forth: give us your money, we'll do something with it that you don't need to understand, and then we'll send you your profit. 

I'm not sure if Yobit is moving toward an exit scam, but based on some of the new features they've been offering (like the Investbox), they're definitely becoming more shady.  If we knew anything about Yobit, i.e., where they're located, who owns it, etc., then people might have more faith in them, but they don't offer that information--and because they don't, that could be interpreted as them paving a clear path toward an exit scam.