Nee, dat is een "weetje", maar het komt neer op 8% en daarvan worden ook de referral kosten betaald en stroom en onderhoudskosten, etcetera. Ondanks die fee wordt er een top profit behaald via de eigen miningpool. En die houden ze geheim. Qua transparantie hebben ze de doorzichtigheid van dubbeldik matglas, hoewel de Admin, als je hem treft in chat, op zo'n beetje alle vragen antwoord geeft. Er zijn wel allerlei nieuwe dingen in de maak, betere interface, API, betere uitleg zoals fee's, 24 uurs support die er nu nog niet is want beta, enz enz, maar die nieuwe site interface met alles erop en eraan laat op zich wachten.
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Bij scrypt.cc zijn de prijzen inmiddels zo'n 30% gezakt. Er komt wat leven in de markt, zeg maar. Ik zit nu dicht tegen de 5Mhs aan en dat zou ruim een Bitcoin per maand op moeten leveren. Tot op heden draait alles nagenoeg vlekkeloos, al was er pas geleden even paniek omdat de site er een paar uur uit lag ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Inmiddels ook een pbmining accountje aangemaakt, met 35Ghs of zoiets. Ook weer een wazige site zonder makkelijke inzage, zeg maar. Wat er straks overblijft van scrypt.cc gaat naar pbmining toe, al blijf ik het merendeel van de winst herinvesteren in scrypt.cc. En ik moet nog eens gaan zitten rekenen. Investeren versus difficulty, etcetera. Kortom, muntjes worden verdeeld over scrypt(-jane/-n) en Bitcoin. Risicospreiding ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Hello guys, We are experiencing some issues with our servers this morning but don't worry, we haven't been hacked, all KHS/BTC and account information are safe. We are working on getting our servers back up ASAP. Sorry for the incovinience. Admin
You made a lot of people happy, Admin! Thanks for the feedback ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Are you MegaMike from scrypt.cc ?
I am. Do I owe you antyhing perhaps? In that case... I'm not ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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"Let's just hope for the best."
That pretty much sums up my experience with BitCoin investments over the last 8 months ..
Triff ..
That, unfortunately, is so incredibly true, Triff. That is my biggest disappointment in the entire crypto money thing. It's supposed to bring new possibilities but it has brought an incredible and growing amount of bullshit as well. Someone else said it also on this forum: the first experience a lot of people have with Bitcoin and altcoins is a scam. If anyone wants to bring crypto out of the dark corner, much more effort is needed. But... dark shit doesn't apply to scrypt.cc of course. They'll be back. SoonŽ ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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it would be nice to see the new platform unveiled after this downtime; it's supposedly fixing a lot of bugs, but no notification and no updates on what is happening, is not making me feel comfortable about it all.
Exactly. So, fine, the scrypt.cc people have always had a mind of their own and have followed their own priorities and simply refused to give an estimate date of things to come to avoid missing promised dates and subsequent disappointment, but taking the site down without warning or notice isn't exactly comforting in any case. Let's just hope for the best. It's the only cloud service I actually like, a lot.
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Based on the remarks here, the site was up at 5am local Brasil time and went down shortly after. That's an odd time to pull the plug. And usually CloudFlare shows some sort of cached pages, but it doesn't, though I don't know the criteria behind cached or non-cached and if you can manually switch that off. Or if there's nothing there anymore. Hope not, just invested a bit more. As someone suggested, maybe it's because the new interface is going live, that's when I wouldn't want anything cached. But really, I'd rather see more communication around such events. Too much crap around anyway, and when crap happens, communication goes way below acceptable levels.
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I think by switching you are always trailing. As suchmoon says, they are so close, just pick the one that works best for you and stay there.
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Dude, read what BMC Support just said, they have no time for withdrawals or any such matters. They lost control over their email accounts (mailserver?!) and have taken their site down to prevent further outside access. Basically they are fighting for control over their own domain.
@BMC Support: way too late for communications. You lost immense amounts of goodwill by keeping silent for days and at elast much longer then the 48 hours you mentioned. It seems you'll be fighting on two fronts now.
Hoping for the best though.
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I've redone the math based on the last weeks/months, expectation is quite a bit more optimistic due to the declining increase of difficulty:
Month 01 : 1.4 : 1.4 BTC -> actual 1.58 : total 1.58 BTC - (10%fee) -0.16 BTC = actual payout 1.42 Month 02 : 0.7 0.7 BTC -> actual 1.22 : total 2.81 BTC - (10%fee) -0.28 BTC = actual payout 2.53 Month 03 : 0.4 : 0.7 BTC Month 04 : 0.2 : 0.4 BTC Month 05 : 0.1 : 0.3 BTC Month 06 : 0.05 : 0.2 BTC Month 07 : 0.0125 : 0.1 BTC Month 08 : 0.007 : 0.08 BTC Month 09 : 0.004 : 0.05 BTC Month 10 : 0.002 : 0.03 BTC Month 11 : 0.001 : 0.02 BTC Month 12 : 0.0005 : 0.01 BTC
Total 4,69 -> much more then my original doom scenario but still a loss.
Not to sure how difficulty is going to impact. Rises above 25% don't seem to happen anymore since the beginning of this year, so it's hard to predict a sensible average. Good news for hardware buyers since it means the equipment they buy is profitable a bit longer. Or is it lower because the Bitcoin value is down quite a bit since last year, and will difficulty pick up more speed once value goes up and those that started mining other coins will return to BTC mining?!
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Think your missing out on some features of scrypt.cc when you say that it's "difficult making a profit with just the mining part and without referrals" It's not difficult making profit, in fact, it's just a matter of sitting back and be patient. Profit has been around 0.5% every day. But, with just mining that means it'll take a while to get even, and beyond. Referrals don't matter much. I have loads of them and can tell you that most (80-85%) never buy any hashrate, and only a very small part buy's hashrate and maybe 1% buy's 1Mhs or more. Maybe if you're lucky you'll catch active refs. It happens. The real trick of making good profit, whether you've invested lots or just a little, is by reinvesting all of your profit daily. Reinvesting several times per day doesn't make much of a difference, but once a day is far better then once a week. Do that for a couple of months and you reach roi much earlier then by waiting or withdrawing. There are scripts available on the scrypt.cc forum to do the reinvesting for you. About CloudHashing.com, well, I'm keeping a record of the actual profits of their contracts (or at least my contract with them) in this thread here. I'm afraid it's headed towards a negative profitabilty, so you might want to reconsider your grade on their profitabilty.
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Umm.... Not quite the right thread. This is for Scrypt.CC, the better cloud mining investment. Feel free to sign up ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) But yeah, bit-mining is crapping up hugely. I'm not losing much, never invested much but instead send most of my coin into scrypt.cc, but I hope things will work out still. I still think lack of technical skills are at the basis of the misery. Both scrypt.cc and bit-mining.co were heavily attacked at the same time. Scrypt.cc stayed up, safe and well and even improved, and bit-mining.co went down and has been struggling since.
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Ik heb rekening gehouden met 15% difficulty groei per keer. En ja, die 0.008 kan ik me indenken. Wat je in totaal terugkrijgt voor je investering in pbmining houdt ook niet veel over, maar je haalt in ieder geval iets meer dan je inzet terug. Alleen die 5 jaar is totale lulkoek. Dat betekent dat zij zowieso een paar jaar het spul laten draaien terwijl het meer kost aan stroom dan het oplevert. Na het eerste halfjaar is enige opbrengst al minimaal. En ergens in de komende twee jaar wordt de reward per block ook nog eens gehalveerd?! Die CEX futures leveren dacht ik alleen iets op als je ze ook nog voor een redelijk bedrag weet te verkopen na zo'n 7 maanden.
Het kost zowieso heel veel tijd voor een betrekkelijk lage winst. De vraag is of er niet handiger methoden zijn om je bitcoins te laten groeien. Voor mij zit dat dus voorlopig in scrypt (-n) (-jane). En mijn KNC Mercury (liefhebbers?!) staat Unobtanium te pruttelen in de hoop dat die nog eens wat waard worden.
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=/ you think they are rly scammers, or people just being paranoid? How likely is it to be a real hacker? Seems like you can't trust anything anybody says unless they have a reputation.
I dont think they are scammers. And it's not unlikely that hackers are active. Any site that appears to hold coins is a target nowadays. Considering that some sites start up with only mediocre knowledge about running websites in relationship to security that is not so strange either. If you set up something that hold coins, ask yourself if your project is capable of handling professional attacks 24/7. bit-mining.co cracked under the first attack a while ago. Maybe some was lost, maybe this, maybe that, who knows, but the site has been struggling since then and the way things are going now only seems to suggest that they are up to more then they can handle. But of course that's only me thinking ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) The lack of communication is a total disgrace though. That only gives room and opportunity for spreading FUD and by keeping silent they actively allow that ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif)
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Becasue it was up. But apparently not for long as it's down again
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There's a big difference between being worried and starting law suits without even having the faintest idea whats going on ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Glad I invested most in scrypt.cc although I did invest a bit in bit-mining.co. I stopped actively referring people to bit-mining cause I had my doubts about the technical side of the adventure. Great idea, great promise, but clumsy efforts. Especially after the ddos and hacks. I think they are down to keep the leaking boat from sinking altogether. Then again, pulling the boat ashore without a message to the passengers is (once again) a very poor display of communication skills.
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Ik kom op 5 maanden uit, maar goed, da's nog altijd stukken beter dan nooit, zoals bij sommigen ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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No problem. I bought a Platinum contract in January, costs: 5.2 BTC for 420Ghs, available on Feb 15.
Now do the math: Month 01 : 1.4 BTC (at most! With a few days to go it's 1.25 actually) Issue, is of course rising difficulty. In general that difficulty halves revenue every month. Apply that to the remainder on the year contract: Month 02 : 0.7 BTC Month 03 : 0.4 BTC Month 04 : 0.2 BTC Month 05 : 0.1 BTC Month 06 : 0.05 BTC Month 07 : 0.0125 BTC Month 08 : 0.007 BTC Month 09 : 0.004 BTC Month 10 : 0.002 BTC Month 11 : 0.001 BTC Month 12 : 0.0005 BTC
Total over 12 months : 2.877 BTC Cloudhashing charges a whopping 10% fee, makes the total 2.58 BTC.
Lets see, I invested 5.2 BTC, I will make only half that. Actual revenue: -2.6 BTC !!!!
Update with actual earnings: Month 01 : 1.4 BTC -> actual 1.58 : total 1.58 BTC - (10%fee) -0.16 BTC = actual payout 1.42 Month 02 : 0.7 BTC -> actual 1.22 : total 2.81 BTC - (10%fee) -0.28 BTC = actual payout 2.53 Month 03 : 0.4 BTC Month 04 : 0.2 BTC Month 05 : 0.1 BTC Month 06 : 0.05 BTC Month 07 : 0.0125 BTC Month 08 : 0.007 BTC Month 09 : 0.004 BTC Month 10 : 0.002 BTC Month 11 : 0.001 BTC Month 12 : 0.0005 BTC Yup, month 2 is quite a bit higher then my pre-assumption. Almost half my earnings back already, making my remarks that CloudHashing halves your investment look kinda foolish, though the end result is still not expected to go over 3BTC, still a good (or bad) 2 BTC loss! Unless I'm mistaking again of course... But... Any cause for that big difference the past month?! Well, the difficulty increase in March was a record low. Only 11%, where a lot more was expected. And that right in the beginning of my contract, when difficulty is not so high yet that 420Ghs still matters. Second increase in March was 17%, so around expected. Result is that biggest part of March I got a better rate then expected. Expectation is still headed towards a loss on the contract, which should be impossible considering CloudHashing's mission, as stated on their frontpage: About
Our mission is to ensure the mining profitability of our clients for years to come while the smaller miners become less competitive and less profitable. .
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Zelf minen en cloudminen zijn hele andere dingen. Uiteraard. Zelf minen is bijna altijd beter. Hoewel, de laatste tijd, coin value versus stroomrekening! Alle winst die ik maak met minen gaat naar de energieboer. Voor mij een van de redenen om te investeren in cloud mining. Plus het lawaai, en de ruimte die het in neemt en de warmte die het veroorzaakt, enzovoorts. Fibonacci wordt gehost voorlopig (gratis?!), prima. Ik heb zelf een Alpha viper in de pijpleiding, maar weet niet of ik die eigenlijk wel in huis wil. Mijn cloud account moet de verdwijnende mining rigs vervangen. Plus, tegen de tijd dat die viper op de stoep wordt gezet is mijn cloud account door herinvestering ook zo'n 6 of 7MHs waard ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Cex en Cryptsy, voor de huis-tuin-en-keuken miner die er verder niet veel over wil nadenken zijn dat sites waar je alleen maar armer wordt. Cex vereist dat je verdomd goed weet wat je doet, Cryptsy is (ook) veel te duur. Pbmining.... Ik heb er zelf een account maar nooit in verdiept nog. Ik kanhelaas niet eindeloos geld in van alles en nog wat steken ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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Misschien ook een optie, scrypt.cc. Dat is cloudmining gebaseerd op scrypt, scrypt-n en scrypt-jane, maar alles wordt uitbetaald in bitcoin. Elke 10 minuten wordt de verdienste in je balans gestort. Het systeem is verder te vergelijken met cex.io. Je koopt hashrate van anderen en die mined voor je. Je kunt de hashrate houden of ook weer verkopen. Fee is iets van 8% en er is een redelijk hoge withdraw fee (0.001BTC = 40 cent of zoiets?). Er is geen trade fee. Nadeel is dat de hashrate er redelijk duur is, dus een dure instap. Maar daar staat ook weer een bovengemiddelde verdienste tegenover. Zeker als je de winst herinvesteert. Zie ook deze thread voor een onafhankelijke comparison met andere mining pools en zo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=514242.0Ik ben er zelf eind februari begonnen en heb net iets meer dan 2 BTC erin gestoken. Vervolgens heb ik elke dag alle winst die ik heb gemaakt omgezet in meer hashrate. Nu heb ik 3.4Mhs. Als ik nu alles zou verkopen zou ik uitstappen met iets van 5BTC op zak. Maar goed, voorlopig ga ik door met herinvesteren. Vanaf 5Mhs ga ik wellicht ook een deel opnemen af en toe. Er zijn wat mensen overtuigd dat het een Ponzi scheme is en ik zeg niet dat het geen scam is. Van mijn kant uit lijkt het snor te zitten daaro, maar 100% garantie is er niet en ik ben zelf redelijk terughoudend om er nog meer in te steken. Toch nog af en toe een beetje, naast de herinvestering. Maar goed, er zijn heel wat mensen die een zooitje BTC erin gestoken hebben, en er weer afgehaald hebben.
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