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Yep and again, if no one advocates for a debt, it doesn't get paid. You're saying companies are compelled to cover certain debts, yet that implies every situation is one in which the company in question has enough in assets to take care of some if not all their debts. This is not always the case.
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Corporations are specifically designed be liability shields. That's the primary reason they exist as a legal institution.
But like I said, you're missing the point. The point being made here was that people can normally file for bankruptcy (just like a corporation), but student loan debt is immune from bankruptcy (which is why I compared it to child support).
Corporations are liability shields and the sky is blue. How does that keep the corporation, in se, from paying its debts? As for bankruptcy, student loan debt is not immune (child support is though), it is just subject to a higher standard for discharge. Regardless, corporations do not owe child support or student loans, so there is no point to get because it's a pointless comparison. It is much harder and more expensive, though, for a corporation to get a discharge in bankruptcy than it is for an individual. Oh oh but corporations pay more to get a discharge -- oh but corporations are also discharging 82 times more money. Wait so you're telling me that you compared individual bankruptcy to corporate bankruptcy to illustrate that individuals can't get rid of certain kinds of debt? Well why would that matter? Corporations don't have those kinds of debt, so your point is moot Corporations can get a discharge through chapter 11, but they have to effectively liquidate all of their property to do it. Whereas an individual in a chapter 11 just has to devote disposable income to a plan in order to get a discharge. As for the debts comparison, I think you are actually agreeing with me, but again, I am having trouble understanding you. The point at hand is that you can't tell the difference between analogy and synonymity. So if were to use the car analogy in reference to the economy, you would argue that the economy doesn't use internal combustion engines. Reductio ad absurdum? There is simply no comparing student loan debt and alimony or child support, which can only ever be consumer debts, with corporate debt such as bond, note or trade debt. Besides the fact that corporations cannot have those types of debt, there are also very clear public policy reasons why the debts are either nondischargeable or subject to a higher burden of proof for discharge. A better analogy (since you seem to only be capable of reason by comparison) would be employee wages or benefits, which receive one of the highest priorities in a corporate bankruptcy for obvious public policy reasons. Since priority and nondischargeability are two sides of the same coin--payment of priority debts being a precondition to discharge in a corporate bankruptcy--there really is no distinction. |
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that all seems like cause for hope, no?
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Tuition & Fees isn't real. It's a sticker price. Most private schools have "discount rates" in the 40% range. They use financial aid as a bargaining ship to get better students and improve their ranking. Only the international students an kids who barely get admitted pay the full freight.
The article posted above about the government exaggerating the cost of college from the NYT is pretty spot on.
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I seem to remember you voicing support for the election of Avigdor Lieberman as Prime Minister based on his Russian heritage. He certainly isn't a liberal candidate.
True. Because he speaks Russian and I can relate to him. Now I really want to see either an Ethiopian Prime Minister or a North African/Southwest Asian Prime Minister. It would be nice to see Shaul Mofaz (Iranian descent) be the Prime Minister. I just like to see more minority representation in the Israeli Prime Ministership. Israel has only had Ashkenazi Prime Ministers. They never had a Sephardic one. I wish that would change. |
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The Netanyahu government doesn't believe in a two state solution under any circumstances (He's publicly said as much and it is written into the charter of the party that he heads). Trying to suggest otherwise is disingenuous.
A lot of Israeli governments say that. It was the Likud (Netanyahu's same "right-wing party") that gave up the entire Sinai Peninsula. I have now shown you proof that even "right-wingers" make concessions. And Gaza's gone too. Now show me proof that Israel will do something differently. The proof is a close to half century old occupation. Israel couldn't even live up to a single one of its peace plan promises under the Road Map, even when Palestinians under the PA lived up to their side of the bargain. Let me know when that changes. 1967-2014: Israel gave up over 75% of its land mass. It's only a matter of time before Israel withdraws from the West Bank. It will happen. History has shown us as much. Where has history shown as much? And saying that Israel gave up 75% of its land mass is disingenuous. The Sinai never belonged to Israel / it never had any right to it. Likewise, the entire reason why the Gaza disengagement happened was (as was publicly admited) to kill the overall peace process, specifically as it related to the West Bank. So Israel get's no cudos for that. They only took the Sinai because there were Egyptian troops massed on the border with Israel. Israel had to attack, or else the Egyptians would strike first. But I gave you historical examples. Israeli withdrawals have happened. And they will happen again. And Dylith, I feel the pain of both sides. The only people in this entire conflict I can't stand are Hamas and Hezbollah. I do not like terrorist organizations, but I have nothing against the Palestinian People. Israeli generals don't all agree with your interpretation. And that is beside the point. It changes nothing as to the validity of your claims that the Sinai belonged to Israel. You gave "examples" while completely ignoring their context. The West Bank isn't the same as the Sinai. It's interesting how in American politics I would be considered a conservative for supporting Israel, but in Israeli politics I would be considered a liberal because I support a Two-State Solution. How interesting and strange. Cliffs: In America if you support a Two-State solution, you are a conservative. In Israel, you are a liberal. And I am open to both sides of the debate. That is why I posted Palestinian and Israeli hip hop videos in the previous page. I actually did a college research paper on Palestinian and Israeli hip hop. |
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The Netanyahu government doesn't believe in a two state solution under any circumstances (He's publicly said as much and it is written into the charter of the party that he heads). Trying to suggest otherwise is disingenuous.
A lot of Israeli governments say that. It was the Likud (Netanyahu's same "right-wing party") that gave up the entire Sinai Peninsula. I have now shown you proof that even "right-wingers" make concessions. And Gaza's gone too. Now show me proof that Israel will do something differently. The proof is a close to half century old occupation. Israel couldn't even live up to a single one of its peace plan promises under the Road Map, even when Palestinians under the PA lived up to their side of the bargain. Let me know when that changes. 1967-2014: Israel gave up over 75% of its land mass. It's only a matter of time before Israel withdraws from the West Bank. It will happen. History has shown us as much. Where has history shown as much? And saying that Israel gave up 75% of its land mass is disingenuous. The Sinai never belonged to Israel / it never had any right to it. Likewise, the entire reason why the Gaza disengagement happened was (as was publicly admited) to kill the overall peace process, specifically as it related to the West Bank. So Israel get's no cudos for that. They only took the Sinai because there were Egyptian troops massed on the border with Israel. Israel had to attack, or else the Egyptians would strike first. But I gave you historical examples. Israeli withdrawals have happened. And they will happen again. And Dylith, I feel the pain of both sides. The only people in this entire conflict I can't stand are Hamas and Hezbollah. I do not like terrorist organizations, but I have nothing against the Palestinian People. |
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To conclude with the Israeli song, here is Shir Shel Rega Ehad (Song for one moment) by TACT. A notable member of TACT is Subliminal. It is a song about an Israeli Soldier who goes on a bus and pens his own death letter to his girlfriend. He tragically died in a suicide bombing that night on the bus and left the letter to his girlfriend. The song is about him, Yaakov Paz. That is the Soldier's name. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbHlg_-Llh0 |
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I am just trying to keep things in perspective and balanced. I think that there are way too many misconceptions of Israel. And I do think that peace is the best approach, and I do believe in a Two-State Solution. I remember back in the day when I was in the U.S. Army Reserve and a full-time university student, I did a report for a 4000-level Political Science class on Israeli and Palestinian Hip Hop and Heavy Metal. True story. To start with the Palestinian song, here is Dam-Mali Huriye (i dont have freedom). It is a song about not having freedom in one's native birth land. Dam is a Palestinian rap group. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRiOe9HWruk |
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The Netanyahu government doesn't believe in a two state solution under any circumstances (He's publicly said as much and it is written into the charter of the party that he heads). Trying to suggest otherwise is disingenuous.
A lot of Israeli governments say that. It was the Likud (Netanyahu's same "right-wing party") that gave up the entire Sinai Peninsula. I have now shown you proof that even "right-wingers" make concessions. And Gaza's gone too. Now show me proof that Israel will do something differently. The proof is a close to half century old occupation. Israel couldn't even live up to a single one of its peace plan promises under the Road Map, even when Palestinians under the PA lived up to their side of the bargain. Let me know when that changes. 1967-2014: Israel gave up over 75% of its land mass. It's only a matter of time before Israel withdraws from the West Bank. It will happen. History has shown us as much. |
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The Netanyahu government doesn't believe in a two state solution under any circumstances (He's publicly said as much and it is written into the charter of the party that he heads). Trying to suggest otherwise is disingenuous.
A lot of Israeli governments say that. It was the Likud (Netanyahu's same "right-wing party") that gave up the entire Sinai Peninsula. I have now shown you proof that even "right-wingers" make concessions. And Gaza's gone too. Now show me proof that Israel will do something differently. |
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I propose then a suitable compromise of praying / studying / working ...
Daily prayers should start with a cold dip at 5am, then another cold dip and prayer at 6am before starting work at 7am.
Prayer breaks and baptisms to be conducted every 2 hours during work, then after work at 5pm - another 8 hours working as a Rabbi till 1am.
Wearing the tefillin at all times, on your head, throat, heart, arms and legs and nodding and bowing to god at all times, all day long.
Also listening to the bible on your iPod as much as possible.
I myself am Jewish, but am secular. I identify with my secular Jewish identity but I do not practice the religion. So praying does not factor in to my work day. |
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And when it comes to issues of human rights, if Hamas puts down its weapons, then there will be peace. If Israel puts down its weapons, then there will be no Israel. 1.) That's a really old and very poor propaganda line, and has never been true. 2.) That has nothing to do with the comparison that you tried to make. Hamas has nothing to do with the Right of Return or the expulsion of Palestinians in the 40's or the 60's. So 200,000 came from Turkey and Iran, and a further 800,000 came from the Maghreb and the Arab World.If Hamas puts down its weapons, there will indeed be peace. You mean there will be permanent occupation. The Netanyahu administration has shown no interest in working with the West Bank leadership despite the fact that they aren't violent. The same was true of Olmert. The notion that if Hamas put down its guns (something I would support) that everything would be fine and dandy rather ignores 90% of the abuses that the Israeli government commits on a daily basis. The Netanyahu government won't give up the West Bank until they are sure that a future Palestinian State will be demilitarized. They do not want another launching pad for rockets on their eastern border. |
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What if you beat the Haredim and went one step further, what could they do to beat this ...
1. You grow cotton regularly blessed by 10 of the highest bishops, irrigated by holy water.
2. You spin the cotton in the most sacred holy temple at midnight starting on Xmas eve.
3. Then you write the bible in microprint on to a continuous cotton thread from Xmas to Easter.
4. With the most holy thread you knit a pair of super holy under pants and vest in a holy temple.
5. The undergarments are then baptised by 20 of the highest bishops plus the pope.
6. You then get the world's best designer to design the ultimate bishop or pope outfit.
7. Starting again for each garment you go through 1 to 6 to make the clothes super holy.
8. After many years you finally you get dressed up in the full holy ensemble.
9. You then read the bible from cover to cover over and over and learn it off by heart.
10. Once memorised, you set a new world record for reciting the whole bible word for word.
11. Then with the world record you recite it over and over 22 hours a day.
12. You then go up to a cave in a mountain and dig a hole in the cave.
13. You spend the next few decades sat in the hole in the cave reciting the whole bible as many times as possible.
The Jewish religion believes in both faith and good works. G-d commands one do to faith and good works. You have to physically repair the world in addition to studying the Tanakh, otherwise you are not doing what G-d commands. So it would be futile to just sit and pray all day, when you are not working hard to make the world a better place as well. |
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And I have to add a misconception of Jewish culture to this thread, in addition to misconceptions of Israeli culture. Jewish people study the entire Tanakh, which is the complete Hebrew Old Testament. It is a common misconception that Jews only read the Torah (the first five books of Moses).
And in regards to what Prometheus brought up as being too religious, the Haredim in Israel are considered too religious by many. They literally eat, sleep, and read the Tanakh and the Talmud. They do not work and do not even use electricity.
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I want to make a thread about the misconceptions of Israeli culture because I have seen, both online and offline, people who do not truly understand Israeli culture.
1.) In Israel, there are around 7.8 million people. About one hundred thousand to two hundred thousand are Arab Christians. 1.6 million are Arab Muslim. 6 million are Jewish. Out of those 6 million Jewish people, 3 million are European, 2.9 million are North African and Southwest Asia, and about one hundred thousand are Ethiopian. So about half of the Jewish people in Israel are from outside of Europe and the other half of the Jewish people in Israel are from Europe. Do not let anyone tell you that 90%+ of Israeli Jews are European. That is simply not true.
2.) Hebrew, a Semitic language similar to Arabic, is spoken in Israel. They do not speak Yiddish in Israel.
3.) Israel has Hebrew rap and Hebrew heavy metal music. Not everyone in Israel is super religious and shuns the media and pop culture. For the most part, except observing Shabbat (the Sabbath), Israel is a fairly secular country.
4.) The former President of Israel, Moshe Katzav, is of Iranian descent. The leader of the Kadima Party in Israel, Shaul Mofaz, is also of Iranian descent. There are many Jewish people of Sephardic/Mizrahi (Arab, Berber, and Iranian Jewish) descent in positions of political power in Israel.
5.) People say Israel expelled 700,000 Palestinians in 1948. Well, between 1948 and 1967, 1 million Jews from North Africa and Southwest Asia were expelled by Arab countries and fled to Israel.
6.) Not a misconception. But a fact. Miss Israel 2013 is of Ethiopian descent.
7.) Another fact. An Israeli company invented the first USB drives.
You have a nice list, but the above is inaccurate and carries with it problems besides. It is absolutely true that many Jews were expelled by Arab countries or fled pogroms / potential violence, but to simply attribute every immigrant that came to Israel from Arab lands as one that was forcibly expelled is completely inaccurate. If there weren't 1 million Jews living in Arab countries in that time period, then how did Israel's Sephardic/Mizrahi Jewish population go up from 1 million to 3 million by 2014? They had to first immigrate to Israel and then have a population boom. And when it comes to issues of human rights, if Hamas puts down its weapons, then there will be peace. If Israel puts down its weapons, then there will be no Israel. Is there a particular reason why you can't type "God"? If you draw a picture of god, or look god straight in the face or write god in full you might turn to stone ? In regards to FX2000's question, if you write G-d on a piece of paper and throw that paper away, then you have desecrated G-d's name. That is why G-d is not written unless it is written on a Torah scroll. This is because Torah scrolls are not thrown away, whereas other pieces of paper may be thrown away. In regards to Prometheus's question, G-d doesn't have a face. G-d is a spirit entity. G-d is formless and genderless. |
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And when it comes to issues of human rights, if Hamas puts down its weapons, then there will be peace. If Israel puts down its weapons, then there will be no Israel. 1.) That's a really old and very poor propaganda line, and has never been true. 2.) That has nothing to do with the comparison that you tried to make. Hamas has nothing to do with the Right of Return or the expulsion of Palestinians in the 40's or the 60's. So 200,000 came from Turkey and Iran, and a further 800,000 came from the Maghreb and the Arab World.If Hamas puts down its weapons, there will indeed be peace. |
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I want to make a thread about the misconceptions of Israeli culture because I have seen, both online and offline, people who do not truly understand Israeli culture.
1.) In Israel, there are around 7.8 million people. About one hundred thousand to two hundred thousand are Arab Christians. 1.6 million are Arab Muslim. 6 million are Jewish. Out of those 6 million Jewish people, 3 million are European, 2.9 million are North African and Southwest Asia, and about one hundred thousand are Ethiopian. So about half of the Jewish people in Israel are from outside of Europe and the other half of the Jewish people in Israel are from Europe. Do not let anyone tell you that 90%+ of Israeli Jews are European. That is simply not true.
2.) Hebrew, a Semitic language similar to Arabic, is spoken in Israel. They do not speak Yiddish in Israel.
3.) Israel has Hebrew rap and Hebrew heavy metal music. Not everyone in Israel is super religious and shuns the media and pop culture. For the most part, except observing Shabbat (the Sabbath), Israel is a fairly secular country.
4.) The former President of Israel, Moshe Katzav, is of Iranian descent. The leader of the Kadima Party in Israel, Shaul Mofaz, is also of Iranian descent. There are many Jewish people of Sephardic/Mizrahi (Arab, Berber, and Iranian Jewish) descent in positions of political power in Israel.
5.) People say Israel expelled 700,000 Palestinians in 1948. Well, between 1948 and 1967, 1 million Jews from North Africa and Southwest Asia were expelled by Arab countries and fled to Israel.
6.) Not a misconception. But a fact. Miss Israel 2013 is of Ethiopian descent.
7.) Another fact. An Israeli company invented the first USB drives.
You have a nice list, but the above is inaccurate and carries with it problems besides. It is absolutely true that many Jews were expelled by Arab countries or fled pogroms / potential violence, but to simply attribute every immigrant that came to Israel from Arab lands as one that was forcibly expelled is completely inaccurate. If there weren't 1 million Jews living in Arab countries in that time period, then how did Israel's Sephardic/Mizrahi Jewish population go up from 1 million to 3 million by 2014? They had to first immigrate to Israel and then have a population boom. And when it comes to issues of human rights, if Hamas puts down its weapons, then there will be peace. If Israel puts down its weapons, then there will be no Israel. |
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Does everyone pay retail? Why do rabbis suck baby dicks?
As far as I know, everyone pays full price plus tax. Unless you are a foreigner. Then you get the Value Added Tax refunded eventually. Why do rabbis suck baby dicks? Considering they pioneered a technique that lowers the risk of penal cancer before anyone knew what cancer was, I'd say this criticism is pretty fucking pedantic. |
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