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4621  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 01, 2017, 09:48:14 PM
Hi,
I have a question.
I know, that you are planning some improvements in pool statistics, but
do you plan in future to implement some more statistics?
For example general statistics, like on many other pools:
Code:
x Pool Hash Rate
Pool Efficiency (Please define)
x Current Active Workers
Current Difficulty
Est. Next Difficulty
Est. Avg. Time per Round (Network)
Est. Avg. Time per Round (Pool)
Est. Shares this Round
Next Network Block
x Last Block Found
Time Since Last Block
etc.

You are doing great job Wink


A few of these are on the about page.  Yes, I think we can add some of these others.


4622  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 30, 2017, 09:57:34 PM
Good to see the price break higher.  Would be nice to have an uptrend instead of sideways.
Wow, just saw that. Who is pumping and dumping?

Edit: Let me reassess. It could be a pump, or it could be people rushing to buy to have enough for a Sanctuary come Christmas.

It was me guys. I had to make my final point and demonstrate how easy it is to pump up the price when you can mine so much coin. LOL

(i wish!)

In all seriousness this goes to my point on how 'powerhashers' can manipulate prices.
The sell right now is at 15 sat and the buy is at 10. So if you have 100 bbp you cant sell at 15 cause there are so many coins in the line in front. So you have to sell at 10.

This demonstrates a weakness in the large volume of coins. Unfair distribution and price manipulation

Thats wrong, you can still sell at 15.  This concept applies to much more than altcoins, you see it in penny stocks too.  This happens when the trading volume is low.  When its high, there are thousands of trades and the buy and sell are seperated by a penny or some other low amount.  When its low volume the buy and sell are further apart.  If you really want the coin, you will pay for the higher ask price.  If you don't you will stick with the low bid.  On the other hand, if you really want to sell, you will sell for the low bid price, otherwise, you stay at the higher ask.  Eventually the buyers and sellers will inch their offers forward.  Like if I really want to buy and the high bid is 10 sat, maybe ill put in an order for 11 sat.  A seller might really want to sell, so they will put in a sell order at 14 sat instead of 15.  When volume gets high enough, the numbers meet.

I am probably wrong i do not know. I am new to this so please be patient and help me understand.

Right now the exchange shows that to sell at 13 sat, there are 568696 coins available

0.00000013   568696.06475821

the next tier 14,15,16 is the same.Flooded with coins.

So say i have 100 bbp i want to sell. As i understand it, again I may be wrong, but I cant sell at those prices because there are already a huge amount of coins in front of me that will sell first. correct?

So i have to always settle for the buy side of 12 sat.

With my capabilities, I could never hope to get 500k coins to sell. That would take at least a year.  In that year what will happen? The same miners would be continually pumping out coins to sell and create these walls that small, normal miners could never overcome. I would always have to settle for the highest buy bid which is the lowest price.

Am i wrong in my thinking? Please explain how i could sell 100 bbp at 13 sat if its saturated with coins?

I think in the longer terms this will keep the prices of the coins always in the sub 100 sat level. Miners with greater hashing power will always turn around and sell very large volumes for profit. More new miners will enter to do the same. At some point the difficulty will increase and this dynamic may slow down. But in all that time the normal miner cant hope to make a profit.

Again I may be totally wrong but that just seems to be how this is going at the moment.

Thanks in advance for any correction of my thinking.




There are a lot of nuances to what you said above, so the answer is multifaceted and long winded.

Let me try to cover the tips and you can ponder and google between the lines.

The (crypto exchange) market at the money fills Market orders.  So if you sacrifice time (IE convenience) for price, you settle for the "market" price (thats .0011 per coin) in USD.
If you have 500,000 to sell and you dont sacrifice time, you can set Limit orders up.  There is a chance over time those will be Hit.

We also have to consider the forward value of BBP.  Some like myself, believe we will appreciate over the next year based on G5 inflation and our deflation, technology, sanctuaries, and being a good investment for the future.  So some are actually mining based on our forward value.  The reward of 10,000 BBP means a newer PC earns about 500 coins a day (IE $18 a month) which is about break-even for electric rates and depreciation (of the computer).

4623  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 30, 2017, 04:06:59 AM
All Money
https://i.imgur.com/6IphL1q.png

Moon Math
http://www.bitcoinmoonmath.com/

===

1 Bitcoin is out of most peoples reach now, theres been talk on reddit past few months of using smaller unit:
mBTC    (0.001 BTC)  [millibits]
bits       (0.000001 BTC)
satoshis (0.00000001 BTC)

I remember reading that Bitcoin is infinitley divisible
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/19661/how-is-bitcoin-infinitely-divisible
"additional decimal places can be added with consensus of the network"



These are cool charts, thanks!

According to this, the avg daily rate of return of bitcoin has been 2.23%, while the APY at the bank is .85%.

I like the smaller units, and its definitely possible, but they would need to lower transaction fees by 1/100th also.  I think thats why its $17 to withdraw from CCEX.

4624  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 30, 2017, 03:39:59 AM
Good to see the price break higher.  Would be nice to have an uptrend instead of sideways.
Wow, just saw that. Who is pumping and dumping?

Edit: Let me reassess. It could be a pump, or it could be people rushing to buy to have enough for a Sanctuary come Christmas.

It was me guys. I had to make my final point and demonstrate how easy it is to pump up the price when you can mine so much coin. LOL

(i wish!)

In all seriousness this goes to my point on how 'powerhashers' can manipulate prices.
The sell right now is at 15 sat and the buy is at 10. So if you have 100 bbp you cant sell at 15 cause there are so many coins in the line in front. So you have to sell at 10.

This demonstrates a weakness in the large volume of coins. Unfair distribution and price manipulation
Why we aim for a large total coinbase circulation:

- This allows us to emit high volume in the beginning and be Very deflationary (we are 19.5% deflationary per year) and still have relatively high rewards after 5 years.  It isnt until the tail end (2040 or so) when we start dealing with low numbers.
- When we become more popular, the coins are more affordable per unit for the average blue collar person.  (The same reason AAPL reverse split), to make the stock more popular.  
- People tend to lose low value digital wallets.  The average is about 20% of digital minted coins are "lost".  This is due to lost files, lost hard drives, upgrades, all that.  That gives us a propensity to be worth more, if you keep your wallet.
- A more rewarding total investment cycle.  Im hoping we will have some investors see 3-4 zeroes of appreciation in the price over 10 years.
- More flexibility for us.  (IE tipping programs, P2P features, etc).
4625  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 29, 2017, 01:01:39 PM
Was just playing around with the new  "Block History View" which Rob implemented.

For the last 512 blocks which the pool has found, the block reward has these statistics:

mean: 9324
median: 9381
mode (most frequent payout): 5000

The distribution is interesting. It makes me thankful that Rob implemented a 5000 lower reward Smiley
Yeah Im glad we put that variable diff reward in also, otherwise we would have been flooding c-cex with lots of coins.

If BTC keeps rising at this rate ($100 a day), we'll be trading at 1 satoshi for our fair value (the minimum level on c-cex) and will not need to check our price LOL, we would have 20BTC of volume at 1 satoshi, no other entries on the buy side and a full sell side, unbelievable BTC is doing this.

I had a fish-tank miner once where the machine was under the oil (it was mineral oil) and mined 7 million $ of BTC, and here is how much of that I have today : ZERO.  The hard drive went, the oil went all over the floor, and I kept the drive around for a couple years, when BTC rose to I think about $10K of value I installed an elaborate sector program that retrieves data from the drive sector by sector and actually found the wallet.dat file.  But, I couldnt get the key out because part of a windows file overwrote the key LOL.  So yeah, I doubt I would have that money even if it rose to $50k as I probably would have cashed it out back then...

4626  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 28, 2017, 11:07:38 PM
Binance - Community Coin of the Month - Round 4:
https://support.binance.com/hc/en-us/articles/115003042571-Community-Coin-of-the-Month-Round-4

Binance is ranked #5 in coin volume! https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/volume/24-hour/

Sadly it looks like the voting is done on Twitter with retweets, our main Twitter account only has 69 followers so far:
https://twitter.com/BiblePay

Good idea guys- I filled out Binances 8 Page application for Community Voting and submitted it.

4627  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 28, 2017, 03:12:36 PM
4628  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 28, 2017, 02:25:21 PM
Check out this stunning feature Alex added to our block explorer:

https://biblepay-explorer.org/block/d7fd5003bdc606d521c563a60980db4b77a8aaa59963dfa3a05cc08f70ff5542




First he reports the Bible Hash verses found in the block.
Next he reverse engineered the Book of the bible from the verse, in order to provide the full book name, chapter and verse number on the suffix of the verse.
Next he provides a ref-tagger pop-up for reference to the verse itself.

This means our user can hover over the verse and see the actual verse in context!

Isnt that cool?

4629  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 28, 2017, 02:14:19 PM
Hi,

Regarding the pool website, it would be nice to see in the leaderboard "Total Hashes Per Second" column, so I can see my position in the leaderboard, but as it is now, there are two "Hashes Per Second"  columns for some reason.


Yeah, it does appear pretty confusing to see both HPS columns.  The left one is what your client is reporting to the pool, the right one is what the pool is measuring.
I think we can safely take the left one off soon, but give us a little more time, lets do it after Christmas, because right now we are transitioning from the current Proof-of-Biblehash algorithm (f7000) to the new PoBH (f8000), and it will be valuable for diagnostics for another month just to see what the clients are reporting in f8000 after the masternodes go live.  After that we can clean it up a lot, cosmetically.


On a side note everyone I am thinking of writing a PR feature into the wallet to spread BiblePay's popularity.  Im thinking of creating a system to embed a Guid in the build for a PR event, so we can give away some free BBP out of the faucet, Im thinking maybe 250 BBP per wallet, but Only if you redeem the code as a new user.

Something like: you download the windows wallet, and when it opens the first time it creates a redeemable faucet guid.  Then the user can come to the faucet and paste the coupon code into the faucet and receive the BBP into the wallet associated with the coupon.  I have to make it to where if the coupon is not redeemed it doesnt charge the pool (otherwise pool would go bankrupt).

This way Im thinking if I create a google adwords campaign, if I advertise to 1 million new users, maybe we pick up 1000 out of this deal and it costs me 200 * 1000, that would be worth it.

4630  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 28, 2017, 12:06:35 AM
Update on this poll about coinexchange.io:

http://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=39.0

I cant get a reply from them.  I asked them a few questions, like for example, who is our contact to integrate once we fund the BTC and will they allow us until Jan 10th to make the payment (so we have time for the poll to end, the new version to go live, time to exchange the funds etc) and no answer.  I even created a ticket on freshdesk in both accounts, no answer.  So I dont feel comfortable spending money on this with someone who will not be available to support us...

We will probably have to cancel this new exchange...  Unless someone knows coinexchange.io and wants to ask them whats up.

4631  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 28, 2017, 12:01:19 AM
znffal

demand is normal word VOD= video on demand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_on_demand
demand as highest priority for add BLOCKFOUNDERS

dont understand and all ppl too why doesnt exists BLOCKFOUNDERS (MINERS) on pool, its any trick or secret?

In Reports | Block History, I added two columns.  The Miner_Who_Found_Block wont be populated til Christmas.  I said yesterday, its not a Secret, it is just not populated yet til Christmas, it will populate after masternodes go live.  However I was able to add another column today : Top_Miner_By_HashPS.  This will start populating on the next block we find........


4632  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 27, 2017, 03:46:40 PM
I was just thinking, Im going to start making some more Christian comments here as I envision this community becoming my community of Christian friends as well, but of course I think we should limit it to "important" Christian issues, not spam.

So one thing I ran into the other day was someone sent me an article on Elon Musks new Neural Lace technology he is designing with NeuralLink.  They want to release it within 4 years.  Its eerily similar to fulfilling the other half of the mark of the beast technology:

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Note KJV says "in their hands" (RFID chipped), and "upon their foreheads" (maybe neural laced).  They already have the test rats receiving neural laces so the rat can control things - the lace is a biochemical brain -> electromechanical interface, where the studies show the brain cells grow around the lace, and this makes it more efficient over time (great Sad ).

So moving on to AWS Private Government Servers:

I was thinking, I wanted BBP to somehow be more resilient during the great tribulation.  We talked about exportable records to find other Christians if the internet is down.  However, I found something promising recently regarding internet resilience.  New York is putting up very expensive "spy" towers- they are nice looking Excelsior towers with cameras that connect to the backbone.  (They are also installing fake cell towers everywhere, that trick phones into giving up their coordinates and they trangularize your position but arent even providing cell service).  AWS is now selling the government DMZed servers, guaranteed to not carry public internet traffic.  Both of these things point to reliance on
 the internet, even during times of distress.  Im not saying that power will not be down, nor the internet out in huge swaths of areas, but Im saying that these two events just increased my confidence in the internet at least being Up in some areas to keep limited commerce flowing.  Bitcoin may possibly be "the grey market" for Christians, who do Not take the mark.  Meaning that BBP may actually be tradeable during the great tribulation, as one of the few ways to buy or sell (ironically).  I know this all sounds far fetched. 


Finally on the subject of Mining for Charity:

I was thinking we could "potentially" add a feature where we add a field to our blockindex: BestDonor.  Maybe it will store the BBP address of the highest orphan donor in the last hour, and give that miner an edge.  I was thinking, nodes can tally for the top donor and store that BBP address on the block, and validate it each block forward.  Then "potentially" in f8000, we could provide an edge for that miner.  The value may be empty, and be based on the last hours donations.  It would only benefit those who decide to solo mine. 


4633  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 27, 2017, 03:19:45 PM
it looks,that my posts is still deleted= non transparency coin  Angry  

all exists pool got list of best founders of block,but this bible not: its so hard to add name of miner to blockfounder list?= no
biblepay,still dont understand why deleting posts ppl,which something demand

Hi Slovakia,

I'm not sure if the word "demand" translates very well. In some countries like the USA demand is very aggressive, kind of like
"Do this for me now or I will punish you. I am the boss".
People usually don't like that.

I don't know if that is what you meant.
Possibly the word is "request", or something like
"For appropriate transparency this is required"

Thanks
Luke




Thanks for explaining that Luke!  Slovakia you will get much more progress with honey than with vinegar.
We are over here writing this for free.

I agree the pool should have these features and be the Best pool.  Its already got the backbone to be much much more than a pool.

Please put the request into our pool github so it is prioritized and coded.

Ill see what I can do regarding the leaderboard by block (Best Hashers list) in the mean time.


4634  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 26, 2017, 11:16:30 PM
why we cant see on pool how often miners hitting blocks?   Undecided  this isnt transparency
When you click block distribution history you can see the block # change.  What do you want to see?


i mean who hit block: users: all pools with coins shows who hitted blocks=it call transparency   Wink few ppl from neighborhood asked me who is best which found more blocks for pool... Top 25 Blockfinder example


Ok, I added Reports | Block History to the pool.  Now you can see the last 512 blocks the pool found, descending by network.

Note the miner column is empty right now.  Thats because the pool doesnt know which miner actually hit the block, because the miner signs the block over to the pool *before* starting to mine, and broadcasts the block to the network *after* finding the block.  But, that will start to be populated when masternodes go live, because that field will be populated during that update for the other purposes, so then we can populate it in the pool.


4635  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 26, 2017, 10:43:40 PM
why we cant see on pool how often miners hitting blocks?   Undecided  this isnt transparency
When you click block distribution history you can see the block # change.  What do you want to see?


i mean who hit block: users: all pools with coins shows who hitted blocks=it call transparency   Wink few ppl from neighborhood asked me who is best which found more blocks for pool... Top 25 Blockfinder example

A list of the last 25 mined blocks and who found them, let me check into that.

4636  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 26, 2017, 10:43:00 PM
On a side note, I think I have stumbled onto a future enhancement to keep us asic-free and gpu-free forever, without relying on other nodes, but yet keeping CPU proof-of-work.

We dont need to do this now, but lets keep it documented for the future.

This is an enhancement for PoW that makes it infeasible to mine using an asic and makes us Less Greedy.

     I realize if we really wanted to we could be POS, but we are shooting for all the existing miners who still enjoy POW in cryptology that might choose us as their coin flavor because they like POW and want to be more efficient without the greed element (IE promoting a rat race of black boxes).

So here it is.  Since a full node is required to spend money (IE do the work of creating and broadcasting a transaction), we could allow the miner to make OrphanWallet donations in BBP by using a miner setting (like 2BBP per 10 mins to the Orphan Foundation etc)  - other nodes sum donations in the past hour - to influence the current hash outcome, IE if Node 1 donates 10 BBP in the last hour, and Node 2 donates 5 BBP, and Node 3 decides to donate 5BBP+5BBP+5BBP+5BBP+5BBP in an hour, the hash result is influenced most strongly by the greatest donated TXID hex in the list.  (We would have to ensure the transactions must be > than say 5BBP each however, to limit spam transacton quantity on the network).  So the BibleHash miner is a competition of "giving" to charity.

 So one cannot gain an advantage over another by donating more frequently or more quantity of donations, but only by having a "confirmed" BibleHashOf(TXID+BlockHash) higher than another donation.  The highest confirmed BibleHash(OfTXID) influences the hashtarget the most, meaning that CPU miners would dominate this algorithm by gaining a hashing difficulty advantage over others.  If one were to donate more BBP transactions in that hour, one would have a propensity to receive a higher TXID.  Then it would become a competition of who donated the most efficiently in the last hour.  Not sure how this would go over, but we can keep it in mind.

  Alternatively, we could log the scriptSig in the Donation, and make the sumOf(scriptSig) the best donation potentially.  Another words, the most BBP donated by one address
 in one hour gets the most influence in winning the next block.

 


I was just thinking of this a little more, maybe we could be the first coin utilizing Proof-of-Generosity or Proof-of-charity or proof-of-donation etc.  We could make it a little simpler: In the miner, the one who donated the most per BBP source address (that matches the reward address) in the last hour wins the block, but I just thought of a big problem... This would only work for solo mining.

The reason it is so compelling, I was just thinking, if we had very generous miners trying to "win" the block by "donating" the most to charity, the money supply would hardly expand (IE we would have a competition of Spending to win each block).  That would potentially drive the price up because no new coins would be entering the exchanges....  But like I said, the pool ruins this idea, as people who are pool miners sign the block over to the pool.

4637  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 26, 2017, 04:12:21 PM
On a side note, I think I have stumbled onto a future enhancement to keep us asic-free and gpu-free forever, without relying on other nodes, but yet keeping CPU proof-of-work.

We dont need to do this now, but lets keep it documented for the future.

This is an enhancement for PoW that makes it infeasible to mine using an asic and makes us Less Greedy.

     I realize if we really wanted to we could be POS, but we are shooting for all the existing miners who still enjoy POW in cryptology that might choose us as their coin flavor because they like POW and want to be more efficient without the greed element (IE promoting a rat race of black boxes).

So here it is.  Since a full node is required to spend money (IE do the work of creating and broadcasting a transaction), we could allow the miner to make OrphanWallet donations in BBP by using a miner setting (like 2BBP per 10 mins to the Orphan Foundation etc)  - other nodes sum donations in the past hour - to influence the current hash outcome, IE if Node 1 donates 10 BBP in the last hour, and Node 2 donates 5 BBP, and Node 3 decides to donate 5BBP+5BBP+5BBP+5BBP+5BBP in an hour, the hash result is influenced most strongly by the greatest donated TXID hex in the list.  (We would have to ensure the transactions must be > than say 5BBP each however, to limit spam transacton quantity on the network).  So the BibleHash miner is a competition of "giving" to charity.

 So one cannot gain an advantage over another by donating more frequently or more quantity of donations, but only by having a "confirmed" BibleHashOf(TXID+BlockHash) higher than another donation.  The highest confirmed BibleHash(OfTXID) influences the hashtarget the most, meaning that CPU miners would dominate this algorithm by gaining a hashing difficulty advantage over others.  If one were to donate more BBP transactions in that hour, one would have a propensity to receive a higher TXID.  Then it would become a competition of who donated the most efficiently in the last hour.  Not sure how this would go over, but we can keep it in mind.

  Alternatively, we could log the scriptSig in the Donation, and make the sumOf(scriptSig) the best donation potentially.  Another words, the most BBP donated by one address
 in one hour gets the most influence in winning the next block.








 
4638  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 26, 2017, 01:37:31 PM
Sanctuary Escrow Requirement - Christmas 2017:

The escrow requirement is 1,550,001 BBP per Sanctuary.  (Thats approx. $1,250 USD).

Updating the OP....


4639  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 26, 2017, 01:31:35 PM
Any final word yet on the amount of BBP per sanctuary?

Sorry, been really busy behind the scenes on an IT issue that might take 30 days to resolve part time.

Anyway, Im still working on the BiblePay Christmas bugs, for TestNet, and let me take a look at the Escrow now.

4640  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 26, 2017, 01:30:10 PM
why we cant see on pool how often miners hitting blocks?   Undecided  this isnt transparency
When you click block distribution history you can see the block # change.  What do you want to see?

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