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4621  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Mining pool reward FAQ on: May 27, 2011, 04:20:08 PM
I don't know if it would be better to discuss this here or on the wiki. I'll discuss it mostly here for more visibility.
You need to think it through more.
4622  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Does pool hopping really work? on: May 26, 2011, 11:10:05 PM
It works to improve your miner's efficiency. It's not cheating: as with all improvements to efficiency, those who don't do it end up with less.
I tend to agree as long as the pool doesn't have a rule against it.
Yeah, fair enough. Rules are rules, after all.
4623  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Does pool hopping really work? on: May 26, 2011, 10:56:50 PM
It works to improve your miner's efficiency. It's not cheating: as with all improvements to efficiency, those who don't do it end up with less. Unlike other efficiency improvements, it doesn't help the network. The end result when everyone uses it could be problematic.
4624  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Mining pool reward FAQ on: May 26, 2011, 10:50:49 PM
And where do you pull your extra income from? Income that averages above the maximum theoretical average income! You are stealing it from the other miners that are not cheating. You are reducing their average income.
Where do you think the extra income from BFI_INT comes from? Other miners, too! And just like with BFI_INT, once everyone does it, it evens out again. It's not stealing to work more efficiently. Nobody is guaranteed any earnings at all.

No, it is like a pyramid scheme.It works for the top levels until you get to the point that nobody else can sustain it, then the whole thing crashes down. Unlike BFI_INT or when GPU Mining was new.

Edit: Pool Hopping does not increase your payout by increasing the number of blocks you find over time (at the current difficulty). BFI_INT and GPU Mining do.
Nothing comes "crashing down", it just evens out like with other efficiency improvements.

BFI_INT helps the network in addition to improving efficiency, but that is unrelated.
4625  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Mining pool reward FAQ on: May 26, 2011, 10:22:35 PM
And where do you pull your extra income from? Income that averages above the maximum theoretical average income! You are stealing it from the other miners that are not cheating. You are reducing their average income.
Where do you think the extra income from BFI_INT comes from? Other miners, too! And just like with BFI_INT, once everyone does it, it evens out again. It's not stealing to work more efficiently. Nobody is guaranteed any earnings at all.
4626  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Mining pool reward FAQ on: May 26, 2011, 10:00:40 PM
This is basically wrong. There is no evidence that "pool-hopping" is a problem or cheating
here's your evidence. https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=3165.0
That's not evidence it's a problem or cheating. It's evidence that it's more efficient. Using BFI_INT is more efficient too.
4627  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Continuum Mining Pool (no fees, worker monitoring, no registration) on: May 26, 2011, 09:28:08 PM
I am using the scoring algorithm described here:
http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4787.0
It was designed to prevent pool-hopping attacks.
My understanding of reading this algorithm is that it only works if the pool takes fees... yet you claim no fees. How does that work?
Seems like a clone of Luke's (Eligius) pool, but it doesn't really matter. The more pools the better.
Eligius is an Excellent pool. I wanted to do more with notifications of downed miners though. IE when a miner is down, I want an SMS etc. Luke definitely has the payment system right though.
Eligius is a community pool, with (read-only) access to basically anyone. You're welcome to setup SMS etc notifications on the server if you want (contact me for an account), though I'm not sure you'd care to since you have your own pool now. Wink
4628  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Mining pool reward FAQ on: May 26, 2011, 08:29:12 PM
This is basically wrong. There is no evidence that "pool-hopping" is a problem or cheating; in fact, the score method actually creates a pool-hopping issue because it rewards later-comers unfairly at the expense of earlier miners. Finally, the score method really is disadvantageous to intermittent miners.
4629  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Please test: New Experimental Pool "Eligius" on: May 26, 2011, 04:00:24 PM
In case anyone hasn't noticed yet, we have a growing community at #Eligius (FreeNode) and http://eligius.st (email me for your own webspace)

Some various change-ideas are being discussed on IRC, and I would appreciate participation from everyone/anyone that uses the pool and wishes to have a say on what changes get made.
4630  Other / Obsolete (buying) / Re: Bounty: Open source WebCL miner on: May 26, 2011, 01:41:36 PM
the webcl code is freely available, why bother paying so much to get it open sourced?
Just because someone publishes it doesn't mean you can copy it.
4631  Other / Obsolete (buying) / Re: Bounty: Open source WebCL miner on: May 26, 2011, 01:06:51 AM
I'd like to hear what the coined.com author is looking for.
4632  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Coined.com Browser Based Miner - Works with pools, Long polling, No browser lag on: May 26, 2011, 12:21:31 AM
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=9901.0
4633  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Please test: New Experimental Pool "Eligius" on: May 25, 2011, 07:09:34 PM
you should run 1 main instance and one to a "backup pool", preferably not the same pool.
Right, preferably your local Eligius is the main instance, and the other Eligius can be your backup pool Wink
4634  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Please test: New Experimental Pool "Eligius" on: May 25, 2011, 06:20:20 PM
Quick question. When you get a stale/invalid do you still get paid for that, and what is an invalid/stale anyway?
A stale block occurs when two miners find the same block at basically the same time. Due to the design of Bitcoin, only one of them can be the "real" block. Until the next block is found, they continue to compete by the miners who are looking for the next block; when the next block is found, the one it chose to be based on becomes the real block, and the other one becomes an orphan. At that time, it basically ceases to exist retroactively.

When Eligius has a stale block, it works the same way: it ceases to exist. Payouts in that block (usually rewards for the same block) cease to exist. Your shares are counted toward the next block, just as if the stale one was never found, so they will be paid when the pool finds its next block.

Stale blocks should not be confused with stale shares, which is what your mining program might report. A stale share occurs when the pool has already moved on to the next block, yet your miner is still submitting shares against the last block. Eligius supports long polling, so it can tell miners immediately when it moves on to a new block. Therefore, if your miner continues to submit stale shares, they are rejected as invalid and not counted toward your earnings.
4635  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Please test: New Experimental Pool "Eligius" on: May 25, 2011, 04:02:49 PM
The luck is irrelevant, but the downtimes are starting to get a bit too frequent for my taste. I'll give this pool one week at most and then I have to abandon it if the uptimes aren't counted in days instead of hours...
The pools are most certainly up far far more than they are down. I am pretty sure total combined downtime combined has been under 24 hours since I started Eligius.

Total time that both have been down at the same time, I believe, is never (since starting Europe). I personally run two miners, one on each pool, so that when one goes down the other picks up the slack.

Unfortunately, most of the downtime has been from pushpool bugs under high load, which are extremely difficult to debug without a high-load test server. And with only 40-50 GH total, I'm not certain there's enough people yet willing to run on a "guinea-pig" debugging server? If there is, I could probably set one up... As things are, I've just been killing and restarting pushpool when it goes bad in an attempt to get things back online ASAP.

Also, Artefact2's pool statistics seem to be having an issue graphing the pool hashrates; the majority of the missing spots on the graph are not downtime at all.
4636  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Please test: New Experimental Pool "Eligius" on: May 24, 2011, 05:00:58 AM
Huh, I just threw together a quick script that calculated the fees per block.
That's calculating "leftovers" from generation, not fees per block. There's a big difference. Also, you're counting a sendmany as Paid: 0 / Fees: 50, when it should be the exact opposite...
with both the .eu and the .us server I have very good pings (24ms/40ms)
Me too.
maybe you should put them together until the pool grows towards world domination.
Combining them is extremely difficult due to the way Eligius pays out. It's on the table, but not an overnight project. Any suggestions on how to best deal with netsplits?
4637  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: RFC: SI- type of naming convention for BTC on: May 23, 2011, 06:51:25 PM
P.S. note that commas are for deliminating thousands, not a decimal point

Actually in many parts of the world it is the opposite. I think we all understand each other here, hm? 0,03 cannot be 0 thousand and thirty, right?
At least the original client intentionally forces a proper decimal point regardless of locale settings. I agree that removing the ambiguity is a good thing.
4638  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: RFC: SI- type of naming convention for BTC on: May 23, 2011, 01:39:50 PM
Giving that CPU miner 0,03 BTC sounds so awful to him, giving him 0,03 MEGA of something makes him feel "well its mega, so 0,03 is a nice piece of the pie".
That's a BAD thing. If 0.03 BTC discourages CPU mining, great! It should be discourage.

P.S. note that commas are for deliminating thousands, not a decimal point
4639  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: BitCoin Mining on Xbox 360 on: May 23, 2011, 01:31:45 PM
Based on the specs at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenos_(graphics_chip) , XBox360's GPU can probably manage a measley 7 MH/s.
4640  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: RFC: SI- type of naming convention for BTC on: May 23, 2011, 02:24:36 AM
And if we start getting transactions down to that point, it is trivial to extend the protocol.
Actually, the fact is that it is basically impossible to add any more precision. It's possibly if the whole network upgrades, but that's basically creating a new network. It's just as "trivial" as changing the 21 million total into something else.
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