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4621  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 11, 2015, 01:24:32 PM
The law just looks like a spoiled bully that is making up stupid rules because they're pissed because one of their subjects stood up for himself and said, enough is enough.

If you recall that sort of behaviour helped spark the revolution that the USofA started from. Has it come full circle?

Well, the people involved in the Free State Project seem to think so.

I remember seeing the Free State Project ads on CoinVisitor. Didn't know that was still in operation.

They're still around. https://freestateproject.org
FSP's significantly older than BTC, fwiw. I had the pleasure of meeting Ian at a BTC conference in FL a few months ago. Signed a pledge of intent, but then my job hunt ended abruptly soon after (thank God). Was kind of surprised they came to a fairly low-key crypto conference... I've been hearing about Ian and the FSP for more than my entire adult life, so really putting a face to it was kind of..... .... disturbing. Cheesy

If it's disturbing to you and you agree with the ideology then what must the rest of the country think? LOL
Freeman has the right idea but he's too fringe/radical in his presentations to get major support. One of my favorite quotes from him is, "I don't believe in the state. Unfortunately a lot of people do believe in the state and they are willing to kill for it. It is a very very dangerous religion." I completely agree with that statement even though it alienates about 90% of the people in the country. He needs to back off of the militia speak and start preaching the little things that everyone hates about the direction this country has taken. I haven't met anyone yet that doesn't agree in principle with something he believes about the country. Presentation is everything though and he scares the little fluffy bunny citizens too much to garner big support. That's the reason they still don't have the necessary 20,000 people to trigger the move after all these years.
Idunno. He's so human in speaking... I don't think he's even capable of changing the tone of his message because it's really HIS tone and message. I guess that's why he can't be a politician. Cheesy It'd be like coaching Ron Paul... and then you get some ad coming out where he endorsed whats-his-name (Amit Singh?) I still remember a quote from... "TEX MESSSXT?!" Like - someone clearly wrote a script he was supposed to follow, and it was like watching a five-year-old at a school play trying to pretend they're the Duke of Butthamburg with a straight face. -Or that line, which was absolutely hilarious (mostly for the wrong reasons)... "You'd have to smoke a joint as big as a telephone pole to get high off hemp!" Ron obviously didn't write that line and he wasn't able to deliver it in any believable way, even though it's the only quote I remember from whatever speech or rally that was.

Yeah, you're right. It's his honest passion that makes him who he is. If you tried to script him it wouldn't work. This will piss off a lot of Free Staters but maybe someone else more mellow needs to be the face of the project for a while. If there even is someone more mellow in that group. lol
4622  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 11, 2015, 01:02:30 PM
The law just looks like a spoiled bully that is making up stupid rules because they're pissed because one of their subjects stood up for himself and said, enough is enough.

If you recall that sort of behaviour helped spark the revolution that the USofA started from. Has it come full circle?

Well, the people involved in the Free State Project seem to think so.

I remember seeing the Free State Project ads on CoinVisitor. Didn't know that was still in operation.

They're still around. https://freestateproject.org
FSP's significantly older than BTC, fwiw. I had the pleasure of meeting Ian at a BTC conference in FL a few months ago. Signed a pledge of intent, but then my job hunt ended abruptly soon after (thank God). Was kind of surprised they came to a fairly low-key crypto conference... I've been hearing about Ian and the FSP for more than my entire adult life, so really putting a face to it was kind of..... .... disturbing. Cheesy

If it's disturbing to you and you agree with the ideology then what must the rest of the country think? LOL
Freeman has the right idea but he's too fringe/radical in his presentations to get major support. One of my favorite quotes from him is, "I don't believe in the state. Unfortunately a lot of people do believe in the state and they are willing to kill for it. It is a very very dangerous religion." I completely agree with that statement even though it alienates about 90% of the people in the country. He needs to back off of the militia speak and start preaching the little things that everyone hates about the direction this country has taken. I haven't met anyone yet that doesn't agree in principle with something he believes about the country. Presentation is everything though and he scares the little fluffy bunny citizens too much to garner big support. That's the reason they still don't have the necessary 20,000 people to trigger the move after all these years.
4623  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 11, 2015, 12:22:29 PM

A lot of the early Bitcoin community likes him [Ver]. He was one of the reasons Bitcoin took off. He donated his money and time to the cause when everyone else in the world thought Bitcoiners were a collection of radical idiots. He owned one of the first brick and mortar businesses to accept Bitcoin, put up a billboard on a San Jose freeway supporting Bitcoin, preached the cause all over the world and championed it with all his might. Agree with him or not, hate him or not, we're probably all still here in no small part because of him.

+1.  It's easy to forget this, and I've forgotten it from time to time.



Roger and I have not seen eye to eye on every issue. We've sent angry PMs to each other over a personal difference of opinion. I still have the PMs. I'm not, however, going to disregard his contribution because we don't always agree. Too many people in this community are willing to throw a brother away when they're down. It just ain't right.
4624  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Fiat Ruined my Traveling Experience on: January 11, 2015, 03:08:51 AM
Bitcoin is super-efficient, though. If we all used Bitcoin, I could cross any border I want without ever having to use an ATM or talk to an exchange agent. The same effect will be a blessing for international business; currency fluctuations become a non-issue.

It's also vastly cheaper, the fastest means if sending money I've ever used. I'm a very impatient man, so that's really the sticking point. There are arguments we could make against that, but most of them are solvable by modifications to the blockchain and protocol.

I probably don't want to go through that again, though--you're right. But I'm so very disinterested in learning about cheques and stuff.  Embarrassed

One day Bitcoin will be the most efficient and fast means of transferring value between people that ever existed. Until then learn and use the others for the historical value. History provides a useful frame of reference for everything and is a valuable course of study for any field. Also, patience is a virtue.
4625  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fork off on: January 11, 2015, 02:38:19 AM
We know roughly 20% of the hash rate is of unknown origin. Does anyone else know if MP controls or has controlling interest any known pools?

He never made such a claim AFAIK, and even if he had 20% of the hashrate, that still wouldn't be quite enough to cause serious trouble, would it?

This thread would be so much more fun if MPOE-PR was still around.

Why, are you missing the big boobs? Grin

Seriously, I don't get the point of his reluctance, i.e. why he makes such a big deal about it. Not that I care a lot, to be perfectly honest. Back in the days, Luke-jr also had some reluctance regarding newer versions of bitcoind, but IIRC they were a little more / better substantiated... and *he* was running a pool, unlike MP.

It wouldn't be enough to cause trouble. He would also need a known pool too. That's why I asked if the blowhard had control or controlling interest in any known pools.

Hey, I miss that avatar.  Grin

I don't think he wants Bitcoin to grow because he would lose his perceived position of control. He's a horrible egomaniac and I can see him wanting to keep his small community of worshipers.
4626  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 11, 2015, 12:38:13 AM

Something is badly wrong with justice anyways, when selling fireworks is considered illegal even though they were properly paid for (and not stolen). A proper sales contract between two private individuals, how can that be illegal?!?!?!


Well that is the way it *should* be. Even the US dollar says "Legal tender for all debts, public and private" But it really doesn't work that way, sadly.

100% agreed. Now, if Ebay bans such sales on their website, that is perfectly within their right and the only sentence he therefore deserved, was losing his Ebay account.

Instead he got 10 months in jail for properly executing contracts with other individuals on a voluntary basis. This obviously was the reason he renounced his citizenship. I had no idea who Roger Ver is but like him now  Smiley

A lot of the early Bitcoin community likes him. He was one of the reasons Bitcoin took off. He donated his money and time to the cause when everyone else in the world thought Bitcoiners were a collection of radical idiots. He owned one of the first brick and mortar businesses to accept Bitcoin, put up a billboard on a San Jose freeway supporting Bitcoin, preached the cause all over the world and championed it with all his might. Agree with him or not, hate him or not, we're probably all still here in no small part because of him.
4627  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Fiat Ruined my Traveling Experience on: January 11, 2015, 12:23:35 AM
Well, honestly, what the fuck are your banks doing in other countries? Here in Canada, I can send money via e-transfer as easily as sending an email, but those Nigerians demand to pay me by wire transfer. If they weren't fancy and important, I would have complained to them directly, but alas.

Pardon me for living in a city where I can get literally everything I need in Bitcoin (and even the banks are usually somewhat competent), but I don't feel like learning about stone-age financial technology. It would be more efficient for society if people learned crypto, instead, and because I am pathologically obsessed with efficiency, I intend to complain until they do. Tongue

It's nice that you live in a place where Bitcoin is so entrenched. I wish everywhere in the world was the same way because I would profit. I think you're the first person I've ever seen call Bitcoin "efficient". That's not really the first word I would choose to describe Bitcoin. You may want to spend a few minutes learning about "stone aged" financial technology if you intend to keep traveling around the world. For the next 30-40 years that knowledge might come in handy. That knowledge may even feed you someday when you're hungry.
4628  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 10, 2015, 11:51:35 PM
Free State Project people are kind of nutters but so are libertarians. The good news is there are less than 20,000 of them.
4629  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fork off on: January 10, 2015, 10:26:49 PM
You should listen in to the chatter that happens on IRC during a fork. It's pretty funny and panic filled.

The forks I remember were urgent, deployed in a hurry. I would assume a well planned and announced months in advance fork would be somewhat calmer.... unless the "change is bad" crowd holds out and it's only finally applied in an emergency when the network is already practically DDoSing itself to death.

lol Yeah, the urgent ones are the best entertainment value.
4630  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fork off on: January 10, 2015, 10:16:49 PM
We know roughly 20% of the hash rate is of unknown origin. Does anyone else know if MP controls or has controlling interest any known pools?

This thread would be so much more fun if MPOE-PR was still around.

Few months ago CEX.io CIO Jeffrey Smith expressed concern about the origin of this unknown hash rate. The interview below...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvMQeCl9K-U

That's my point. Before you kick a sleeping tiger that has no teeth make sure you can see his gums.

We have previously seen that this guy, Mircea Popescu, do have some deep pocket...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/20/openbsd_bailed_out/

But I doubt, whether he'll be able to fight against the venture capitalists those have walked into the bitcoin game in 2014, e.g. Tim Draper. To these people Gavin's word is most probably more valuable and I guess, the future of Bitcoin core is ultimately in the hand of The Bitcoin Foundation. So, if Gavin can convince them, it is very difficult to resist it from outside.

At the end of the day, we need to see, who is speaking logical.

Control of Bitcoin rests in the hands of miners when you're talking about a chain fork. Clout doesn't matter as much as mining power does. Who will follow the new chain?

Oops... am I having a conceptual problem here ? As I understand, hard fork is more about nodes than it is about the miners. Unless, there are some new mining rules coming in, miners do not probably have much to say. It will depend on the mempool of the nodes, which will decide which tx will be accepted and which not + which block found by the miners to be relayed and which not.... again I am confused. Am I wrong ?

You're right nodes matter. But the miners will need to accept the new fork and work off of it. There can't be two databases to work from. You should listen in to the chatter that happens on IRC during a fork. It's pretty funny and panic filled.
4631  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fork off on: January 10, 2015, 10:03:33 PM
We know roughly 20% of the hash rate is of unknown origin. Does anyone else know if MP controls or has controlling interest any known pools?

This thread would be so much more fun if MPOE-PR was still around.

Few months ago CEX.io CIO Jeffrey Smith expressed concern about the origin of this unknown hash rate. The interview below...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvMQeCl9K-U

That's my point. Before you kick a sleeping tiger that has no teeth make sure you can see his gums.

We have previously seen that this guy, Mircea Popescu, do have some deep pocket...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/20/openbsd_bailed_out/

But I doubt, whether he'll be able to fight against the venture capitalists those have walked into the bitcoin game in 2014, e.g. Tim Draper. To these people Gavin's word is most probably more valuable and I guess, the future of Bitcoin core is ultimately in the hand of The Bitcoin Foundation. So, if Gavin can convince them, it is very difficult to resist it from outside.

At the end of the day, we need to see, who is speaking logical.

Control of Bitcoin rests in the hands of miners when you're talking about a chain fork. Clout doesn't matter as much as mining power does. Who will follow the new chain?
4632  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 10, 2015, 09:58:05 PM
THere's no evidence that bitcoin has ANYTHING to do with it, in fact, why would it? The government has more important things to concern itself with.

The fact is, this guy renounced his citizenship, fine, and then he wants to get back into the country?? And he expects the US to say, "sure, come back in!"...this guy is a fool if he's surprised by this.

Here's an analogy...someone comes to your house and says "Fuck you, I hate this place, I don't ever want to be associated with it!" Would you want them back in your house again?

I agree with his t-shirt, but there's nothing we can do about that.

Now that's an interesting viewpoint. It's ok for the government to behave the same way a disappointed child would.

4633  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fork off on: January 10, 2015, 09:28:20 PM
We know roughly 20% of the hash rate is of unknown origin. Does anyone else know if MP controls or has controlling interest any known pools?

This thread would be so much more fun if MPOE-PR was still around.

Few months ago CEX.io CIO Jeffrey Smith expressed concern about the origin of this unknown hash rate. The interview below...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvMQeCl9K-U

That's my point. Before you kick a sleeping tiger that has no teeth make sure you can see his gums.
4634  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 10, 2015, 09:14:25 PM
You could always jump off the ship or plane into the ocean and swim ashore, and pick things up from there.

 Cheesy

It's not even that difficult. Now he knows to go to TJ first and hire a coyote. He just needs to learn one phrase in Spanish: estoy aquí sólo para recoger lechuga
4635  Other / Politics & Society / Re: New Police Laser Will Sniff Out the Scent of Alcohol in All Moving Cars on: January 10, 2015, 09:06:02 PM

Microchip everyone from birth, if you arent doing any wrong you have nothing to hide Grin

Spoken like a true American. lol
4636  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Fiat Ruined my Traveling Experience on: January 10, 2015, 09:02:25 PM
Granted that "dough" eyes was an unfortunate typo, but your theory that this story is false is a lunatic conspiracy. Allow me to present a picture of me with my Nigerian students in Dubai:


My boss runs http://datapronigeria.com/; he's the short one in-between the two white guys. I'm the white guy on his right.

You see, presumptuous reader, Dubai has little-to-no visa restrictions. Nigeria does not. Further, Nigeria is a very impoverished and dangerous country, while Dubai is a playground for rich people. Nigerian officials therefore hold their annual compliance course in Dubai, where I was summoned to teach them because they'd read my Bitcoin Magazine articles.

That aside, I'm not sure how tackle the other points made. Yes, there are more fiat ATMs in convenient places than Bitcoin ATMs. That's because more fiat ATMs exist. It is stunning, therefore, that they do not place them effectively given their available numbers--the logical conclusion is that it is often intentional, to serve a middle-man profit motive.

And why would I ever need to withdraw bitcoins separately from an ATM in each country I visit? In the future, everybody will accept cryptocurrency. I will not need to withdraw fiat, and I won't.

I don't possess a credit card, to answer one of the later questions. I don't use our even understand cheques, because I grew up in the post-Internet era, and what the fuck is a cheque? Honestly. Just take my bitcoins, guys
.

ROFL
Are you sure you're old enough to be traveling without adult supervision?

https://www.americanexpress.com/us/content/prepaid/travelers-cheques.html
4637  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fork off on: January 10, 2015, 08:41:29 PM
We know roughly 20% of the hash rate is of unknown origin. Does anyone else know if MP controls or has controlling interest any known pools?

This thread would be so much more fun if MPOE-PR was still around.
4638  Other / Politics & Society / Re: New Police Laser Will Sniff Out the Scent of Alcohol in All Moving Cars on: January 10, 2015, 08:14:10 PM
There are thousands of cameras watching your every move in major cities all over America and you're worried about alcohol sniffing lasers? With the advancements in facial recognition software, I'm not worried about driving, I'm worried about walking down the street!
4639  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 10, 2015, 07:40:39 PM
Well, I guess that's the reason. What a frightened little bunny rabbit America has become. I wonder if he illegally entered the country and agreed to pick some lettuce and spinach if they would let him stay for the summer. lol

4640  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Do People Believe Bitcoin Will Replace Fiat? on: January 10, 2015, 05:52:18 PM
Bitcoin will always be a part of the world financial system. The question of course is what % of it will they occupy?
Unfortunately, our world government (USA) will be the one who allows Bitcoin to grow or not.
Just like the US does for countries, controlling their markets or imposing sanctions for political reasons.

Is this fair? Of course not, but are you going to do about it?

Oh, that's silly. Just because you overthrow a few foreign governments and put your own puppet in power you get a bad reputation. It's not that bad. The USA only wants everyone in the world to do what they say as if it were the word of God. No big deal.
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