0.001 btc? You've got to be shitting me...
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Are you asking to be able to just embed a button that uses the same process or are you looking to store and deliver the files yourself?
I was thinking about that first option but would like that latter one too if it could be done where the directory url wouldn't be exposed allowing anyone to go there and grab the files there. |
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Nice! Are you planning on doing more with this? Like giving people the ability to configure it for themselves to help it fit in with their own site's style. For example what if someone has a gallery ( e.g. nextgen gallery in wordpress ) of photos and they just want to put one of those "buy now" buttons under each picture.. with perhaps the title or maybe just the price... or maybe just the button... or some combination of the various elements... but something minimal. This may be getting closer to something I can use. |
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The most effective marketing invokes lots of emotions. Both negative and positive. Deal with it.
Or if you don't like it, make your own marketing video.
An emotional reaction... causing you to totally miss my point... Thanks for helping to make my point.  |
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Your words are dubious. Appealing to someone's intellect to convince them is also manipulation, though ironically, perhaps the words I chose earlier such as 'brainwash' appealed to YOUR emotion, (albeit negatively) and so here you are stating what you are stating.
What I am saying, which might be a little different from Meni and Mollison, even though I agree pretty much with the points they make as well, is that bitcoin's positive qualities can speak for themselves, once they are communicated in such a way as to be understood. No need to try and convince or persuade people with any games, intellectual, emotional or otherwise. I certainly feel bank bashing and belligerence will only tend to obscure those qualities, especially if you throw in any "white lies", as you call it, which would only give ammunition to bitcoin's critics, in this war some seem to want to start. In either case, appealing to emotion works and it elicits a reaction...
Often the opposite from what is intended... often resented when the audience feels they are being manipulated... often having little to do with the actual subject of the advertising/promotional campaign... and sure often successful if one is very skillful or very lucky, but I would prefer to see people respond to bitcoin itself. Why do some seem to be in desperate need of a reaction? Why try to push the river? Why not allow it to build organically; slowly, but deeply... Your words didn't bother me emotionally or otherwise. And I am not trying to push anyone's buttons either. These are just my opinions on this subject. |
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Any teenage idiot has heard about occupy wall street or zeitgeist or alex jones or someone like that, and they're easy to brainwash.
Besides, the tone of voice that's used in the video is a brilliant form of peer pressure
Emphasis in the above quotes mine. Does this community really endorse trying to spread bitcoins through brainwashing and peer pressure? Does this community really endorse trying to spread bitcoins through emotions instead of intelligence? I was actually assuming the people who made the video actually agreed with the video, in which case I would just say I have a difference of opinion with them. But it doesn't seem like very many people here really do agree with it. It seems like almost everyone is saying, "I don't agree with it, but I think it's OK to trick other people that are gulliable enough to fall for it." I think that such an approach is unethical. Now, some people will say, "it's unethical - OK, so what, who cares, as long as it attracts people to bitcoin?" I don't agree that's it's OK to be unethical. But even setting that aside, being unethical doesn't really make sense as a strategy for attracting people to bitcoin. Consider the following (independent) points. (1) That strategy reflects very poorly on the trustworthiness of the bitcoin community, which is going to dissuade people from getting involved. (2) Behaving unethically is just going to attract unethical people, and that's not really going to help the community much. (3) Most importantly: "Idiot" teenagers who can easily be "brainwashed" are not going to be particularly good advocates of bitcoin. Bitcoin needs smart, articulate people to spread - there are still TONS of those who have not even HEARD of it. Also, it takes someone with intelligence and a good deal of patience/persistance to actually obtain and use bitcoin, at this stage of the game. By the way, let me emphasize, I am really glad people are putting time/effort into making videos to get more people interested in bitcoin. I do applaud that effort. I know most people who have bothered to speek up in this thread so far do not agree with me, but there are going to be differences of opinion and I hope everyone is OK with that fact. Hear hear. Well said. I have always maintained the view - might as well repeat it - that we don't need belligerence ( which is more a sign of insecurity than anything ). We don't need to attack the banks, credit cards, and paypal etc. in order for bitcoin to be successful. That would, if anything, only give them a moral advantage. We just need to focus on what bitcoin can do and let people choose what works best for them. Better than trying to manipulate the ignorant emotionally is to help relieve them of that ignorance somewhat with information. Is bitcoin so lacking in positive qualities that we need to play these unethical marketing games to try and impose it on the masses? Do we really need to become raving conspiracy clowns? |
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This video isn't aimed for the normal people. It is for the zeitgeist-y anti-banking people, same niche as Max Keiser is targeting. weusecoins.com is for the mainstream. Exactly. People who dislike this video based on the content are clueless about marketing. This is aimed at a certain crowd and I like it in that context. It's not meant for people who do not think that our societal problems are systemic. Marketing is about segmenting and it's actually very rare that a piece should be directed at "everyone" in general. In fact I think Bitcoin simply does not appeal well to "everyone" no matter what type of video you make, even the weusecoins vid is not an "everyone" type video, simply because Bitcoin is not, at least not yet, an "everyone" type project. I have no problem with marketing to a specific audience in the way you deem the most effective. I just worry about the damage done if people will "Promote it on Facebook, Twitter, Digg, everywhere you can!!!" and it will be exposed to a wider audience, creating negative publicity. Also, it's not just about the content. The voice, the tone, the choice of words, a lot of things raise red flags for me. Yup. And on the view that it is meant for a specific niche, note in the subject line of this thread: "make it viral!" Either that is meant to target it at everybody or else it is meant in the sense of making that small group sick with an infection.  In context, the only plausible meaning for "screw banks" is that you should view banks with contempt. Much like "screw you". Yup. |
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How do I contact customer support at Coinworker?
I got a reply to messages I posted at getsatisfaction.com/crowdflower about some tasks I completed but didn't get paid for.
Michael @ crowdflower sent me some payment ids that he told me I should forward to "customer support at Coinworker"
in order to get paid.
I thought that crowdflower forum was the customer support forum for coinworker.
Where do I forward those payment ids?
I shouldn't post those ids here in this thread should I?
I sent you, WargeGeoshington, a pm about this but am still waiting for a reply.
Thanks.
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How do I contact customer support at Coinworker?
I got a reply to messages I posted at getsatisfaction.com/crowdflower about some tasks I completed but didn't get paid for.
Michael @ crowdflower sent me some payment ids that he told me I should forward to "customer support at Coinworker"
in order to get paid.
I thought that crowdflower forum was the customer support forum for coinworker.
Where do I forward those payment ids?
I shouldn't post those ids here in this thread should I?
I sent you, WargeGeoshington, a pm about this but am still waiting for a reply.
Thanks.
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There seriously needs to be a simple link that people can attach, 10x shorter than Evorhees' article and aimed at busting the most popular uber-sceptic myths, one bullet point at a time.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths |
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And you don't think they should be able to undercut me with my suppliers if they can afford it? I mean if my production costs are higher than theirs isn't it better I get undercut and go out of business?  An important part of doing business is to stay in business. To make a profit and do it better than your competition. Think of it as a kind of game. I don't know, but your example is far from real evidence that I was hoping someone would show to me. Perhaps a real world example would be nice.
Try this: go into any business and ask to have a look at their books. While you are being escorted to the exit you may have a chance to ask them some more questions... then again they may just look at you as if you were from another planet and phone the authorities. LOL |
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(democracy at work) UGH. No, no, no and no!  The only thing at work is voluntary collaboration. There's no majority ruling over a minority and I'm baffled how people somehow keep seeing this. Isn't it true that even if 99% of people switch to a protocol with different rules than the rules in Bitcoin, Bitcoin still exists for the 1% and still has the same rules?! This is NOT democracy at work. What you seem to dislike most about what you see as "democracy" is what is called the tyranny of the majority. It is usually guarded against, among other measures, by enshrining the rights of individuals and minority groups in things like constitutions and charters of rights etc. ( Getting elected officials to pay attention to such inconvenient documents is another matter that we shouldn't blame on the concept of democracy itself. ) The tyranny of the majority is something, it seems, that the wealthy few complain about the most, when it looks like they may have a little of their overwhelming power reigned in slightly. Don't confuse the concept of democracy with what is claimed to be a shining example of it. For example if places like the U.S. and Canada had true democracies, where the majority of its citizens had a fair say in the setting of policy, then marijuana would be legal. A lot of things would be different. What would you see as a better system to have instead of a constitutional democracy? A benevolent monarch like one might find in fairy tales? Or perhaps you are an anarchist... no danger of anything like mob rule with that. Remember that a key prerequisite to having a good democracy is an informed populace. In an anarchistic system that would be even more important. And in case you haven't noticed a lot more money has been going into the military than things like schools... at least since Eisenhower gave that warning. With the rise of the neocons the dumbing down of our Western nations has been taken to new levels. Is that because of democracy or because of the lack of it? Of course no system will be perfect which involves people trying to get along with each other... what's that famous quote... democracy is the worst form of government, except all the others that have been tried. |
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- i very much agree with erik's wording suggestions (and personally, picked the vertical option).
- i agree with jeff about vetting clients' security/trustworthiness/buginess very carefully first.
- luke's version needs to be killed with fire reserved for more technical, wikipedia-type articles.
I think it would be great for augmenting the first page presented here. It could be behind a link such as "Click here for a comprehensive comparison of these clients". No reason to stick with only one or the other. +1 |
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it is self classified as a currency.
It is?  |
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I'm in canada with rogers wireless, gf is on fido. If i can pay our phones bills using btc i will do it exclusively (about $160/month) provided there are no costly fees.
I just forwarded that to an exec at Rogers I'm in Canada with Telus; internet and cellphone. If i can pay my bills using btc i will do it exclusively provided there are no costly fees.  |
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Ships in 4-6 weeks.
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democratic money
Man it irks me when I see this phrase being issued. Why? democratic -> pertaining to or characterized by the principle of political or social equality for all: democratic treatment. Yes that, I can't stand it. We are not equal and pretending or trying to force it on one another only leads to huge problems and actually even greater inequality and I can't stand the fallacious connotation of it being something we should strive for. Lol No one is being forced to use Bitcoin. The democracy is built into the system, for those who choose to participate. Currency of the people, by the people, for the people. |
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