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4721  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-01-17]US academics say their shardy blockchain will be 10X faster than Vis on: January 20, 2019, 07:04:01 AM
Anybody can make a shitcoin that will be much faster than Bitcoin and not use as much energy. We already have coins that have that advantage and they aren't getting more popular than Bitcoin. Most of those new coins is dying in their first year. Litecoin can process 6 or 7 times more transactions per second than Bitcoin but I don't see it overtaking Bitcoin anytime soon

It is called the first mover advantage

But it is not only that, of course. If we cut the crap, the price of all crypto (Bitcoin included) is determined by speculation, and in these circumstances it doesn't really matter how many transactions Bitcoin can actually process daily, hourly, or whatever. What matters is how reliable and secure a coin is, and this is exactly where the first mover advantage comes and shines. Technical metrics like the number of transactions per second and similar stuff are important only as much as they can contribute to hype, not actual application because there is no such application
4722  Economy / Speculation / Re: The market looks boring 2019 on: January 20, 2019, 06:51:12 AM
Boring is good because it might lead to accumulation which can move price upwards.    Bitcoin is always accused of being excessively volatile so boring to me seems like the start of something good.   I think people got bored in 2015 for example and without realising it we were putting in a bottom.    It always happens when people are not looking or especially excited, when everyone is jumping off their chairs whipped up about just the normal network business proceeding then I start to get a little wary tbh

I'd been there (and here) in 2015

And the market was far from boring back then. In the first months of that year the price had crashed below 200 dollars, then rose to almost 300 and plummeted again to 200 in August. Since September Bitcoin started to rise and reached 400 dollars by the end of the year. The market was never boring back in the day as the price had been changing every other day in the range of 5-10%. Now compare this to what we see now

Apart from that, it is not necessarily an accumulation phase before the surge. It may in fact be a dissipation phase before the purge. Remember how it happened in November last year? We were also in a sideways market for a few months in the 6-7k range, and I guess the market was looking boring to many as well, with people thinking Bitcoin had been gaining momentum before rising to new local highs. It never came to be
4723  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading is a zero sum game. on: January 19, 2019, 09:13:29 PM
I definetely wouldn't compare trading and gambling. Yes, some luck is needed for both but that is just a smaller part of it. And successful traders that you refer to know that the best. But just because they are good in finances and that field is their expertise that doesn't mean they would also be good in other areas and could help to solve the world issues. This is utopia I would say. And we also shouldn't blame them because they want to get the most for themselves out of Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies. It's the opportunity for the bravest and the most capable.

Well, there are different views on this matter

For example, if we assume that cryptocurrency trading is in fact a zero-sum game (which is true for most altcoins aka shitcoins), it will be gambling for the total majority of traders as you can't defeat the house. The house in this case will be institutions (e.g. exchanges) as well as particular individuals (e.g. developers) who are either earning or not trading, as simple as it gets. But this necessarily means that the odds are not in favor of simple traders and they are set to lose at the end of the day as you can't beat the house. It is kinda accounting identity which you can't overcome unless you can milk the market somehow
4724  Economy / Gambling / Re: PokerHost - 100 bits free - Create Your Own Poker Tables and Tournaments on: January 19, 2019, 07:39:47 PM
I understand this is giving us something others do not but it is also horribly executed.

Who wouldn't want to get together with their friends and play poker, as a married man I can tell you how many times my friend group tried to get together for a guys night but failed because eventually at least one of us is not available, it is always one person or more which makes it harder. So, if we use this that means we can get together online and play poker against each other and make sure the money actually goes to one of the other and we have the right to not take anyone into our table

So it is the only poker room out there which allows private tournaments, right?

Or at least claims so. Well, the site looks pretty bleak if not to say primitive. I wouldn't even bother to register there if I played poker (in fact, I wanted to try my luck at it with free points promised). I'm not even sure that you will be able to play anything there, not speaking of withdrawing your winnings, as the site seems to consist only of a landing page and a registration form. It looks like scammers now don't even care to make it look like a real thing. What are they all hoping for because it takes time and effort to create even a home page?
4725  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading is a zero sum game. on: January 19, 2019, 06:23:25 PM
We have some of the most intelligent people in the world working on extracting as much wealth as possible from high volume trading.  For someone to gain money in the market someone most lose.  Imagine if we had these minds working on solving real world problems that would actually benefit society.  Just like gambling, trading is zero sum.

That largely depends on what asset is being traded. If this asset is entirely speculative, i.e. it doesn't have any use value in real life (read, it is a shitcoin), then it is definitely a zero-sum game. However, if the asset traded has a certain application in real life which requires this asset to be actually employed for something other than trading (for example, Bitcoin as a value transfer device), then it can't be a zero-sum game as some people would be buying it for purposes which have nothing to do with the "buy low, sell high" mantra (the speculation epitome)

Hope this helps with better understanding of trading as a zero-sum game
4726  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: To save bitcoin - stop buying bitcoin cash on: January 19, 2019, 05:15:25 PM
Who is buying bitcoin cash at all? I heard no word about it for a long time, even on trading discussion nobody mention it. Am I wrong?

That's a great question. I don't understand why people would buy it. What is their motivation? Nobody uses it for anything and its just as speculative as coins 100x smaller in size. Over the course of the last year its been dying a long, slow death, which was somewhat accelerated after the fork

But do you understand people who are buying Bitcoin?

As essentially everything you say about Bitcoin Cash can be said about Bitcoin itself. The majority of Bitcoin users are using it for speculation or hold it in hope of selling it later at a higher price (which is the same speculation). So how is Bitcoin particularly different from Bitcoin Cash in this department? Note that I don't mean to say that Bitcoin Cash is better or even on par with Bitcoin, it is just what you say is equally applicable to any other cryptocurrency out there
4727  Economy / Speculation / Re: Future BTC's price on: January 19, 2019, 04:43:28 PM
The miners going away is just a myth and will not happen because it is by far the fastest way to get the transactions accepted, we would eventually have to find a way to both pay the miners a lot of money but also make sure we are not really paying to much to them individually on each transaction we make, closest we can get is slow transactions that gets bundled together and sent in one block.

Yeah, staking is possible but not for bitcoin, if something is as little volume as ethereum it is possible that you can use staking and even tough it can take less stress on the blockchain since there is not transactions as much as bitcoins blockchain they can do it, bitcoin can't afford to go to staking option since it will make it impossible to send money from place to another with that much volume in bitcoin.

It is not about transaction costs at all

Though they certainly matter a lot, especially when you are forced to pay something like 50 dollars to have your transaction confirmed in a reasonable amount of time. That's an outrage if you ask me. So it is not as much about transaction costs as it is about keeping Bitcoin properly decentralized. If it actually aims to become anything other than a purely speculative asset with a rather narrow range of application, the current model of reaching network consensus should be replaced with something more scalable, reliable and accountable. I don't know what it could be but it should definitely be
4728  Economy / Speculation / Re: The market looks boring 2019 on: January 19, 2019, 03:56:25 PM
It has been just 19 days of 2019, we should wait a bit before we decide what the 2019 will look like. However if you ask me boring is much better than the chaotic things we had in previous years. One year we started the year with 700 dollars or so and ended with 20 thousand dollar high, which to you may sound amazing, from 700 dollars to 20 thousand dollars looks great on paper however bitcoin and blockchain wasn't prepared for such a big attack and hype so the price was unsustainable and the price went down

In fact, the chaotic things you mentioned were a lot less scary than this "boring" market. Anyone familiar with Bitcoin in particular and trading in general knows that prices don't change slowly and gradually, either way. It is almost always an abrupt rise or fall, totally unexpected most of the time. From this perspective, the longer the market remains boring, the scarier it becomes as it should be clear as day that the next breakout will be cataclysmic, mind-boggling and earth-shattering, with fortunes lost and made

In other words, beware of still waters, silent dogs and boring markets
4729  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-01-17]US academics say their shardy blockchain will be 10X faster than Vis on: January 19, 2019, 03:49:02 PM
I don't think anything worthy will come out of this

Though I won't be surprised if they end up spending a few million dollars from grants or even taxpayer's money without producing anything working and usable. Maybe, that's what the whole shebang is all about. These eggheads can pretty smart in such questions. Cryptocurrency was a Klondike during the last couple of years, and it is in fact surprising that these academics didn't come up with something like this earlier. Well, maybe, they are not that smart actually

I remember as some dude here promised a super-duper fancy coin to be released in February, though he didn't specify the February of which year exactly. And it was like two years ago. I haven't heard from him lately
I agree with that. Looks like the next "big" project.
As Tone Vays said, nothing is better than Bitcoin by now

I'm afraid these dudes are late to the party

Nevertheless, if they think that they do have something valuable to offer, why not join Bitcoin's developers (or developers of some other respectable altcoin)? If they consider their idea too radical to be included directly in Bitcoin (which is understandable), they can easily create a sort of "spin-off" project (not to be confused with a hard fork) in the same way as other Bitcoin-based or coin agnostic projects did like RSK, TumbleBit, Schnorr Signatures, and even the already mentioned Lightning Network itself
4730  Economy / Speculation / Re: On stagnating prices on: January 19, 2019, 03:22:16 PM
We have stagnant prices because the buying frenzy is over (that ended in early 2018) and the panic selling frenzy has also appeared to stop, at least for a while

That doesn't explain why the price action is so restricted for so long

If you look at Bitcoin's volatility in 2013-2018, you will see that while there were periods when the price didn't change much, it still wasn't stagnant. And now we have Bitcoin's price which we hadn't seen till the fall of 2017, i.e. most of Bitcoin's history, and it is basically stuck in a very narrow range, which raises eyebrows. And there is a reason for that. The current situation may be called a "potential well" of sorts, so whenever there is a hint on a strong price movement, either strong resistance or strong support instantly builds up

So if you ask me, that can be explained only if you admit or take into account there is a massive amount of shorts at play, which limit the price action in both directions. Indeed, there is still a possibility of a breakout, either via extreme manipulation aimed at wiping away these shorts or via somebody actually having an intention to buy or sell enough bitcoins that no buying or selling wall will be able to hold back
4731  Economy / Speculation / On stagnating prices on: January 19, 2019, 01:52:45 PM
There is an implicit assumption in the cryptocurrency trading circles that when people lose interest in a cryptocurrency, its price is bound to fall. And this assumption has solid grounds and is often proved correct. Wtf, it is proved true in almost all cases at nearly all times. But things turn out to be different with Bitcoin these days and in this topic you will find an answer why exactly

You may think that lack of interest would lead at first to a price crash, and then to a strong reversal. You may even hope for that and make your trading decisions based on such assumption. But it doesn't look like this anymore. Why so and how come? Basically because you can earn on the falling Bitcoin as easily as on the rising one, and at a certain price tag long orders become firmly balanced out with short orders

Such type of a market is possible when the interest in an asset is on the wane overall but the price is supported by the massive amount of shorts. It can be said that in these circumstances shorts take the place of the long term interest, but it is still an interest whichever way you look at it, even if it is a negative one. And ironically, it looks like it is able to support prices even though it can't drive them up (apart from short squeezes)

And the end result is stagnating prices, which is what we mostly see these days
4732  Economy / Gambling / Re: Stake.com | The Most Popular Bitcoin Casino | ETH & LTC Accepted! on: January 19, 2019, 01:22:56 PM
Sure you got the Bitmex trollbox which is crazy busy at times but its mostly kids on there who post crap. The Poloniex trollbox was the only one I can remember that was mostly of mature audience. I remember I would just keep it open in my browser on my 3rd monitor and just read the posts throughout the day. You didn't need to go to any Bitcoin news site because it usually appears there first

That's the whole point about trollboxes

When in February 2017 the Chinese central bank cracked down on local exchanges forcing them to disable both cryptocurrency withdrawals and deposits, the news first emerged in the BTC-e trollbox as some Russian traders had been using Chinese exchanges too and they were told in private by the staff of these exchanges about this attack on crypto. On the next day the prices crashed like 20% with Bitcoin going below 950 dollars (though not for a long time). In this manner, I agree with you that trollboxes can be a valuable source of information (as well as disinformation, for that matter)
4733  Economy / Gambling / Re: Roobet. The Honest Casino - No Fees, 100+ altcoins, BTC + more soon. on: January 19, 2019, 11:16:07 AM
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You don't get it

It is one thing for simple gamblers to attack each other with whatever strong language they want to use (though even this should not be tolerated but moderated). And it is a totally different thing for the staff to use such language at all in a public chatbox, not even speaking of the site owner himself (as it turned out to be). Anyway, let's hope this lesson serves them right and they will refrain from this stuff in the future. Just don't try to make it look like it was not a big deal and nothing happened
4734  Economy / Speculation / Re: Tone Vays Is 85% Certain Bitcoin (BTC) Hasn’t Hit True Bottom on: January 19, 2019, 11:05:16 AM
I had been raising a similar question a few years ago. My point was that in due course weak hands eventually get shaken out, and this inevitably leads to a stronger competition between the remaining market participants, the smarter ones. In this manner, it is not so much about becoming smarter or wiser (as most people are simply not capable of this feat) as about "natural selection" when only the smartest remain in this market at the end of the day

And it looks like we are pretty close to that "singularity event"


Or the "weak hands" might have also become wiser, and will not be easily shaken out anymore. Which makes for a stronger debate that the "wisest of the wiser traders" who anticipated it, would want to stay ahead, and would not wait for a "capitulation"

Personally, I don't think things are all that simple

From my perspective, it is a wrong approach as such, or wrong frame of reference if you please, to think in terms of "capitulation". As I wrote in one of my previous posts, if this market is to stay with us for long, say, like 2-3 years (or even if for just a few months), the terms like capitulation, bottom, major reversal are all going to lose any useful meaning. Basically, it is going to turn into nonstop bloodbath, with no regular bears or bulls but only with dogs in the pit

Apart from that, I don't say that a few weak hands couldn't and didn't in fact turn into strong ones over time as some certainly did. I'm talking about a bigger picture, obviously, where many common people lost their money and left for good. But I agree either it is the departure of weak hands or weak hands turning into strong ones, the competition became stronger while the market as a whole more ruthless and less forgiving (let's call it more "professional")
4735  Economy / Economics / Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Bitcoin Is Falling Down on: January 19, 2019, 10:09:26 AM
it can be said it is FOMO which turned into FUD, but this option obviously discards people who were mindfully and purposefully buying on the way up and then selling on the way down (with which adding fuel to price action), thereby earning cash on both Bitcoin's rise and fall alike
Everyone is here for making money and we cannot blame their action. Market riders are just trading along with the trend and their swing way of trading most probably is not influencing the market direction any any point of time. I mean to say people who are all buying when the market is rising definitely not the reason just because they have turned seller when the market is falling down

I see your point and I can't say that I strongly disagree with it

People that buy on the rise and sell on the fall can be called market conformists or even opportunists (actually, it is a good profit earning strategy), so they are definitely not the ones who start or change trends. But while they are not, they still add momentum, power and force to the trend, so, at the end of the day, it is exactly these people that make a trend reversal more difficult when the time has come. And from this point of view, they do affect market direction just by supporting it, thereby preventing its change

But the big question here must be, why bitcoin is not attractive enough to continuously enable people to keep on investing into it

In fact, the answer to your question is pretty simple and straightforward

Bitcoin was and for the most part still is a vehicle for speculation, but when the jig is up and it no longer brings profits, speculators lose interest in it
4736  Economy / Speculation / Re: This Isn't Manipulation on: January 19, 2019, 09:50:00 AM
Great slogans, but that's all they are. If you try to persuade me to use an electric car I'll just laugh, because a typical electric car costs 3 times more than a similar one with a petrol engine.
It's the same situation with advertising Bitcoin. I'm telling people around me about it and I'm always up for discussion, but I'm not going to spend money on advertising it in the media. I'm not that dedicated and I'm not that rich. Maybe some millionaires, the ones who sold at 20k could step in?

I don't think it is a good idea overall

Really, why would you want to advertise a currency? Have you seen anyone advertising the US dollar (or Russian ruble, for that matter)? The whole idea as such looks fruitless and useless to me. If a currency is good and superior to its competitors, people will use it, otherwise it is no use advertising it in the first place. If anything, we should spread the word about useful services using Bitcoin, but ultimately, it is still the job for those who offer these services, not us, the consumers
4737  Economy / Speculation / Re: Tone Vays Is 85% Certain Bitcoin (BTC) Hasn’t Hit True Bottom on: January 19, 2019, 08:43:27 AM
i'm comparing volume to past capitulation bottoms. you're comparing it to low volume lulls. why?

Because that's the crux of the matter!

It doesn't look like perfectly justified to compare this "reversal" to past reversals. How come? Because "past performance is not an indicator of future outcomes" (or some variation thereof). Basically, you are judging things in retrospect, i.e. you look at past reversals which were in thousands of dollars (and sometimes in many thousands), and this reversal doesn't look like a reversal at all to you. Truth be told, it doesn't look like a reversal even to my own eyes, so I'm kinda with you on this

Now try to gauge the price dynamics taking into account the possibility that we may be stuck in this range (say, 3k-4k) for years to come. In fact, that would be a pretty volatile range for the total majority of commodities, most blue chips as well as government bonds (e.g. treasuries). So how are you going to look at this rebound other than a major reversal? In other words, things should be assessed from a correct perspective. The one based on past performance is definitely not the right one in this market

I believe that it's becoming like a game between the market participants trying to out-smart the market. Many of the people who got in Bitcoin from 2014 to 2018 have already become wiser traders. They might have anticipated that the majority might have also become wiser traders too

I had been raising a similar question a few years ago. My point was that in due course weak hands eventually get shaken out, and this inevitably leads to a stronger competition between the remaining market participants, the smarter ones. In this manner, it is not so much about becoming smarter or wiser (as most people are simply not capable of this feat) as about "natural selection" when only the smartest remain in this market at the end of the day

And it looks like we are pretty close to that "singularity event"
4738  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-01-17]US academics say their shardy blockchain will be 10X faster than Vis on: January 18, 2019, 09:49:05 PM
I don't think anything worthy will come out of this

Though I won't be surprised if they end up spending a few million dollars from grants or even taxpayer's money without producing anything working and usable. Maybe, that's what the whole shebang is all about. These eggheads can pretty smart in such questions. Cryptocurrency was a Klondike during the last couple of years, and it is in fact surprising that these academics didn't come up with something like this earlier. Well, maybe, they are not that smart actually

I remember as some dude here promised a super-duper fancy coin to be released in February, though he didn't specify the February of which year exactly. And it was like two years ago. I haven't heard from him lately
4739  Economy / Speculation / Re: Future BTC's price on: January 18, 2019, 09:15:50 PM
In future miners will be rewarded almost exclusively with transaction fees

Did anyone say that?

If not, then I will say. I think in the future there will be no more miners as we know this concept today, provided Bitcoin will still be sticking around, of course. Miners are a dead-end and if Bitcoin continues to develop as it does today, we will most certainly switch over to something else. I don't know what it will be but it will be better than POW and POS while still preserving the decentralized nature of Bitcoin, i.e. something which we all value and honor. And no, POW is not something which makes Bitcoin, it is its decentralized nature
4740  Economy / Gambling / Re: Stake.com | The Most Popular Bitcoin Casino | ETH & LTC Accepted! on: January 18, 2019, 08:03:57 PM
If my memory serves me correctly, It was btc-e (btc-e's trollbox was the original trollbox for many people) exchange who came up with that paid trollbox idea and it worked flawlessly. That's why new enterprises also follow that path

Yeah, you should have had like 1k dollar worth in your account. Interestingly, when they first introduced this requirement, rumors surfaced that there was also a chatbox called VIP-chat. To get there, your balance should have been over $100k in total. But as virtually nobody had so much on this exchange, there were neither confirmation nor rebuttal of its very existence, just rumors and insinuations. Anyway, it didn't stop the owners from scamming at the end of the day (sorry for your losses)

I don't mean stake.com but paid trollboxes are not a guarantee of any kind, just in case
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