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4721  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [∞ YH] solo.ckpool.org 2% fee solo mining 273 blocks solved! on: April 12, 2023, 02:27:18 AM
I dont want to clutter the thread with nicehash discussion if it bothers ck or anyone, so i tried to direct message you, but you dont accept from newbies.  Here is what i tried to say:

It is only showing zero because the mining power is going to the highest bids.  PhillipMa bid a very low amount, so he is not being overcharged (smart/the correct way to rent on nicehash).  Therefore, he has to wait patiently until the high bids have all their btc used up, then miners will migrate to lower bids and eventually he will get his hashes.  It is ok to temporarily have no hashpower.  IT means you are not overpaying.  Each individual hash (or "share") is a shot at solving a block.  Whether you have them all sequentially right away, or whether you have a little, then you have zero, then you have a little, etc.  Is the same. As long as you get the total number of shares by the end, you got what you paid for. But CK is certainly right that many many people rent and never solve a block, compared to the few people who rent and do solve a block.  So don't think it will be easy to just rent and get rich.  Smiley

exactly

i am renting 100 ph at proper price.

think of it as playing 1 dollar on a three digit number and getting paid 1025 to 1

low cost
high risk
high reward
under paid = investment

or playing 1 dollar on a three digit number and getting paid 975 to 1

low cost
high risk
high reward
overpaid = gambling


I know 6250 plays of 0.001 should hit a block and I would profit because I paid low.

Vs 6250 plays of 0.0001 should hit a block and I lose because I paid high.


Obviously it is more complex but it is something to pass time for me.

4722  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [∞ YH] solo.ckpool.org 2% fee solo mining 273 blocks solved! on: April 12, 2023, 01:57:59 AM
There seem to be quite a few newcomers to solo mining thanks to the recent spate of blocks found here, who don't quite understand some things so I'll try to make it clear:

Solo mining is gambling.

Unless you personally own at least 700PH with some kind of depreciation/deprecation plan, the vast majority of miners will lose money mining solo. (This estimate of required hashrate will go up as bitcoin difficulty rises.)

Renting hash long term and mining solo will never make a profit, as the rented hashes will end up costing you more than any rewards you make.


there are methods to almost make it a high risk high reward but at not unfavorable odds.

If you don't understand game theory  my talk may go over your head. but here goes. Look at the image.








Notice I offered only .259
4723  Economy / Economics / Re: using credit card on: April 12, 2023, 12:23:06 AM
i am studying in college, i was really excited to get my first credit card Wink. i thought it will give me a sense of independence and allow me to buy things i could not afford with cash.

though, i quickly learned that credit cards can be a double edged sword. while they can be helpful in building credit, they can also lead to debt and financial trouble if not used responsibly.

at first, i used my credit card reasonably, only for like emergencies or small purchases that i knew i could pay off in full each month. but as time went on, i began using it more and more for larger purchases and impulse buys, without really thinking about how i would pay the balance off.

before i knew it, my credit card balance had  blown up to several thousand dollars, and i was struggling to make the minimum payments each month. the interest charges alone were eating up a significant portion of my income, and i felt like i was going under debt.

it was not until i sat down and made a budget that i realized just how much my credit card debt was affecting my overall financial health. i had to make some tough choices and cut back on some of my expenses , but finally,
i was able to pay off the balance and get back on track.

the lesson that i learned here is that credit cards can be a valuable tool for building credit points/scores and making purchases, but they should be used responsibly and with caution. it is important to keep track of your spending(like keeping a journal), pay off the balance in full, each month if possible, and avoid carrying a balance that will increase interest over time. by being mindful of your credit card usage, you can avoid debt and maintain your financial health.

i am weak at economy, is it wise decision to use credit card?

Let me ask you:

 I have a compulsive gambling is it okay to bet 1 dollar on a weekly lottery ticket?

The answer for me would be no.

The answer for you is very likely no for at least six months until you pay the card off.

Maybe it is okay after six months and you won't tap it out again.
4724  Economy / Speculation / Re: 30k Bitch!!! on: April 11, 2023, 07:30:17 PM
I’m surprised that the price went through $30K and has been holding above it without a good sized pullback. That leads me to believe this rally still has legs. Somebody out there is snapping up all the BTC and just keeps buying. I do feel like we may see a pause at this level for a while to allow for some accumulation before the next leg up.

well cpi is out this week.

next fed jump is may 1-3

if we do a 0.25 again I am thinking it helps btc a lot.

Maybe 40k by may
4725  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: What would be happened in 2024/28 BTC halving? When mining would be expensive? on: April 11, 2023, 06:00:46 PM
 2023 = 6.25000 = 187,500 a block at 30k a coin seems doable and is doable and is happening right now
 2024 = 3.12500 = 187,500 a block at 60k a coin past history has show that we can do 60k
 2028 = 1.56250 = 187,500 a block at 120k a coin no history but at 1 sat per byte =  a tx could cost no lower than 27 cents which could work.
 2032 = 0.78125 = 187,500 a block at 240k a coin no history but at 1 sat per byte = a tx could cost no lower than 54 cents which could work.


smallest transactions are 227 bytes or 227 sats

My example above shows no great problem for 2024
even 2028 looks okay

but by 2056 the issues get bigger.
4726  Economy / Speculation / Re: Automated posting on: April 11, 2023, 05:03:00 PM

But rather than a higher power I would prefer a higher chart number. Wink
4727  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 11, 2023, 05:00:06 PM
I was court ordered to AA years ago and went up there and called them all a bunch of weak willed pussies and was told I was a disrupting influence and they signed off on my court mandated meetings.

*I was pissed right off the bat when I read the steps and one of them was to accept jesus as my lord and savior and told them there is no way I was going to do that.

we use higher power in GA and the higher power can be anything but yourself.  Ie just admit you are not all powerful.

so any boogy man will do?

sorry still not going to lie and say some invisible "higher power" exists whether I'm court ordered to do it or not.

I don't live in Iran.

Freedom from forced religion is why this country was founded even though they just wanted to worship their own way.

you are bringing your own prejudice to what I am saying. I am saying I don’t believe I am all powerful.

Thus there is something more powerful than me.

For me personally I don’t believe in any specific being.

I tend to think that the universe is more powerful than I am.

The other day a F2 Tornado missed my house by 2500 feet.

Do I think I told the tornado 🌪️ pissoff and begone. Hell no.

But did I prey to Jesus to save me and my wife from it? No.

I hoped the the universe or good old charlie (death) was not for me and my wife that day.

So my acknowledgment was mamma nature or the universe could have did us in. But did not.

But thats my level of higher power belief.
4728  Economy / Economics / Re: Invest your money wisely - another lesson, Techie tries to suicide. on: April 11, 2023, 02:24:47 PM
This news is from the IT Hub of India, that is Kolkata. The Techie who is just 23 years old had invested a big amount of money in the Crypto space. The investment when asked him was around INR 30 lakh ~ $ 36,600 in US dollars. That is a definitely huge amount considering his age and country of residence. Even in America, 36K USD is pretty handsome money and you can do many things with it.

So the gravity of this can be sensed easily.

He was saved by the Cops after a local Cab driver alerted the police and the response team was at the incident quickly.

He was trying to jump from the largest bridge on the river named "Hooghly" to end his life.

The investment was not his alone but he collected the money from various sources. He took loans and also was using the pension from his mother. Definitely, he had no plans and no idea what he was doing.

Just save up your bitcoins in cold storage, only buy what you can afford to lose and most importantly don't fall for the traps of crypto space.
Bitcoin is the only savior in crypto and if you own the keys, you win the market.


Read the news here:Techie loses Rs 30 lakh in crypto market, tries to jump off  ..


He broke first rule of investment.

Only invest what you can afford to lose.


I really want to say something nasty and flippant, but I won't.

 Instead I will hope that he learns from this and does not over spend on investments.


4729  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Why buy old ASICS? on: April 11, 2023, 02:07:53 PM
well if you have free power a 12th miner clears about 50 usd a month

so why not run 20 of them. it is 1000 a month profit and the gear is cheap to buy.


20 ASIC miners that draws up to 2500watt each will be a menace in the community unless one is living away from crowded neighborhood, 2500watt in 20 places is 50,000watts that's enough to get the police in your door step in few weeks in my country.

I mine at a small commercial farm with very low power rates.

I burn  about  200kwatts an hour or 2.4 megawatts a day.

We have a large solar install that provides us 1.25 megawatts of that power.

We did s9's but we are now

s19 pro
s17 pro
m30s
m50s
A1246
A1166
L7
L3's which have to have been on of the best miners in terms of profit ever made.



And s9's do not draw 2500 watts

1200 if properly set up so 20 x 1.2 = 24 kwatts an hour. This is not for home mining.
4730  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 11, 2023, 01:39:54 PM




Source.

Nice glass waiting for you with nice sky @El duderino_ DuD. Wink


Naaah not my miss... but also no glase waiting for me

at this moment i'm fasting for 40 hours .... 20-ish hours far at this time

A group fast could get us to 40k.

I am on 29 minutes of fasting  9:10 am EST
4731  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 11, 2023, 12:09:39 PM
when 40k?
4732  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 11, 2023, 10:24:22 AM
I was court ordered to AA years ago and went up there and called them all a bunch of weak willed pussies and was told I was a disrupting influence and they signed off on my court mandated meetings.

*I was pissed right off the bat when I read the steps and one of them was to accept jesus as my lord and savior and told them there is no way I was going to do that.

we use higher power in GA and the higher power can be anything but yourself.  Ie just admit you are not all powerful.
4733  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2023 Diff thread now opened. on: April 11, 2023, 10:20:51 AM
Quote
https://www.bitrawr.com/difficulty-estimator

Latest Block:   784900  (5 minutes ago)

Current Pace:   97.7993%  (677 / 692.23 expected, 15.23 behind)

Previous Difficulty:   46843400286276.55                            
Current Difficulty:   47887764338536.25                            
Next Difficulty:   between 47080559225932 and 47433273092585
Next Difficulty Change:   between -1.6856% and -0.9491%
Previous Retarget:   last Thursday at 10:57 AM  (+2.2295%)
Next Retarget (earliest):   April 20, 2023 at 3:10 PM  (in 9d 8h 51m 10s)
Next Retarget (latest):   April 20, 2023 at 6:30 PM  (in 9d 12h 11m 18s)
Projected Epoch Length:   between 14d 4h 13m 31s and 14d 7h 33m 38s
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and we are still over 30k. nice jump to be a miner

8.1 cents a th at viabtc
4734  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 11, 2023, 03:11:18 AM

My memory is not the best on that case, but the hitman stuff seems to have been a kind of set-up by the feds who lured Ulbricht into it.  
Afaik, the murder allegations were dismissed in the end.


I do not know if it a pre-planned setup into getting him to hire killers or if it was his own plan. But ultimately, giving the order was Ross's own decision. He thought they were real killers at the time and he gave them the order to murder 6 people. Whether he was egged on by the FBI or not does not really matter to me after that point. I do not see how anyone can defend him. He himself does not deny this.


I'm not a fan of him and I think he is responsible for his decisions.
But it's not easy for me to decide what he did or did not do, only by reading a bunch of news stories.

If he did order the hits as it's written in the transcripts (1, 2), I'd say fuck him.  Luckily it was all fake and the hits didn't happen.  

But ordering the murder of other humans often shows at least some asshole hubris, to say it very mildly.
And listening to his phone call to the '21 Bitcoin conference, I felt some of that vibe in his talking...  quite self-absorbed and egoistic.





I was court ordered to AA years ago and went up there and called them all a bunch of weak willed pussies and was told I was a disrupting influence and they signed off on my court mandated meetings.

*I was pissed right off the bat when I read the steps and one of them was to accept jesus as my lord and savior and told them there is no way I was going to do that.


many of these AA and NA groups are gateways into religion...  though it may help some to get rid of drugs, I think they only change one addiction/obsession for another

Fuck That. Nine years of Catholic School k to 8 was more than enough religion for me.

30+ waiting for a lot more than that.
4735  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Why was Ordinal NFTs created? on: April 11, 2023, 03:05:23 AM

It appears BTC will really struggle without a new gimmick. by 2056.

maybe the new gimmick will be to change to a constant block reward. the block reward going to zero is the problem for miners right? they don't like that.

well it could will be interesting to see if a good fix happens or if scrypt/doge becomes the lead algo down the road.
4736  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Why was Ordinal NFTs created? on: April 11, 2023, 01:07:56 AM
To all mods

Please note franky1 is not allowed to post here and placed this in a different section.

Lots of info here. I am tired long day mining driving and real world gear stuff.

I am going to sleep on this.

Please do not delete this

I would like to try to unwind it and understand it.  Thank you.


Cons - Ordinals may be used as an attack vector for spamming the network, it stores dick pics and fart sounds in the blockchain, and it could open other attack unknown vectors.

a. most miners(asic/workers) dont get fee's, the pools keep amounts equal/above fee's
b. ordinals dont pay fair rate tx fees anyway many are seen paying 0.5sat/byte instead of the rest paying 15sat/byte
c. taking upto all blockspace for one meme does not help utility of bitcoin. it annoys people that 2000tx dont get into the next block but the 1 meme did
d. ordinals in NO way has helped bitcoin. its not even an NFT
e. ordinals that dont get into blocks still push pre-confirm transaction out of potentially getting into blocks by ordinals filling up mempools thus forcing other tx out of mempools when mempools breach a X00mb limit set by their nodes

mining pools take a cut
EG
antpool has two offerings
a. PPLN antpool keeps the tx fee's.. workers take the blockreward
b. PPS+ antpool takes 2% of fees and 4% of blockreward


PPS+ is the offering where a asic worker 'might'(their wish/hope) gain something from fee's, by asking for a bit of the fee's instead of the PPLN option taking the fee's

lets imagine a block of 4mb of 1 meme paying its 0.5sat/byte
thats 0.02btc
antpool(PPS+) takes 0.0004 of tx fee 0.25 of block reward (0.2504 total)

simple math: meme gives 0.02 into the pot. but antpool cuts out 0.254 from the pot. thus workers lose out more if they opt to want a fee share

meaning in both cases antpool keep more then the tx fee if you add it all up and take their cut away in both situations because

b.(PPS+) the fee's from the ordinal are 0.02 but antpool took 0.254 away from asic workser
a.(PPLN) antpool took the 0.02 of the tx fee
thus those asic workers dont gain from increased fees they might aswel just PPLN and just take their share of only the block reward


yep fee's would need to be for a normal average tx payment filled block of 1.5mb be paying 17sat/byte to BREAK EVEN to what a pool owner takes as their cut..
for the workers to then NEED MORE THEN 17sat/byte to then be see a noticable difference to the shared income on PPS+ they get after the pool owners cut

however an average tx of 500bytes@17sat/byte=8500sat =$2.41 which.. is making people not want to use bitcoin as much for payments. thus spiting the users inspite of the workers

what workers actually prefer. is not a fee market rise to get income. but the spot price market rise.. though lemming that want to advertise other networks prefer fee rises to make people hate using bitcoin

 I am going to move this to the nft/ordinal thread.


I read this a few times.

I bolded his example of a co opted block..


lets say the pool in his example does 20 blocks in a day.

10 of which are flooded with memes and 10 of which are not.

it is much like my thread done back in 2017.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2634505.msg26809430#msg26809430

So it looks like a strong incentive to not mine with antpool.

you could do a small pool that pays the fees and a pool like viabtc that gives 98% of the fees.

A lot depends if ordinals jack up fees like the 2017 .

Fees need to be large enough in the non ordinal blocks to make ordinals boost mining earnings

Ie 144 blocks 24 with shitty ordinals that follow franky1s idea but 100 with high fees say .4 under current
6.25 reward .

a block with 6.25 + .4 due to other blocks being filled with ordinals means miners get .
96% of the 6.25 and 98% of the .4 fees thats a win for miners but much like 2017 fees will get stupid high.

All of which points to a day of reckoning in the 2056 time slot . I pick that date as I am 99 so I will have reckoned with death 💀 (most likely)

So if ordinals don’t work
and if nfts don’t work
and if frozen stale never used btc is not reclaimed like banks do
the only hope for btc is LN

and LN looks like off book no block chain theft of coins by exchanges like coin base.

It appears BTC will really struggle without a new gimmick. by 2056.
4737  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: April 11, 2023, 01:03:02 AM
Cons - Ordinals may be used as an attack vector for spamming the network, it stores dick pics and fart sounds in the blockchain, and it could open other attack unknown vectors.

a. most miners(asic/workers) dont get fee's, the pools keep amounts equal/above fee's
b. ordinals dont pay fair rate tx fees anyway many are seen paying 0.5sat/byte instead of the rest paying 15sat/byte
c. taking upto all blockspace for one meme does not help utility of bitcoin. it annoys people that 2000tx dont get into the next block but the 1 meme did
d. ordinals in NO way has helped bitcoin. its not even an NFT
e. ordinals that dont get into blocks still push pre-confirm transaction out of potentially getting into blocks by ordinals filling up mempools thus forcing other tx out of mempools when mempools breach a X00mb limit set by their nodes

mining pools take a cut
EG
antpool has two offerings
a. PPLN antpool keeps the tx fee's.. workers take the blockreward
b. PPS+ antpool takes 2% of fees and 4% of blockreward


PPS+ is the offering where a asic worker 'might'(their wish/hope) gain something from fee's, by asking for a bit of the fee's instead of the PPLN option taking the fee's

lets imagine a block of 4mb of 1 meme paying its 0.5sat/byte
thats 0.02btc
antpool(PPS+) takes 0.0004 of tx fee 0.25 of block reward (0.2504 total)

simple math: meme gives 0.02 into the pot. but antpool cuts out 0.254 from the pot. thus workers lose out more if they opt to want a fee share

meaning in both cases antpool keep more then the tx fee if you add it all up and take their cut away in both situations because

b.(PPS+) the fee's from the ordinal are 0.02 but antpool took 0.254 away from asic workser
a.(PPLN) antpool took the 0.02 of the tx fee
thus those asic workers dont gain from increased fees they might aswel just PPLN and just take their share of only the block reward

yep fee's would need to be for a normal average tx payment filled block of 1.5mb be paying 17sat/byte to BREAK EVEN to what a pool owner takes as their cut..
for the workers to then NEED MORE THEN 17sat/byte to then be see a noticable difference to the shared income on PPS+ they get after the pool owners cut

however an average tx of 500bytes@17sat/byte=8500sat =$2.41 which.. is making people not want to use bitcoin as much for payments. thus spiting the users inspite of the workers

what workers actually prefer. is not a fee market rise to get income. but the spot price market rise.. though lemming that want to advertise other networks prefer fee rises to make people hate using bitcoin

 I am going to move this to the nft/ordinal thread. As I think franky1 can't post there.

note I moved it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446379.msg62070386#msg62070386
4738  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin breaking the biggest limit since match price push on: April 10, 2023, 10:57:34 PM
Mostly chatter. The game of chicken is CPI and Fed Rates against inflation.
We get CPI number in a few days. which determines what fed will do.
It is obvious that many are upbeat which is why we push up near that CPI date.

Same pattern, the push right now is the same as in the last two months, seems like a lot of betting is going on the numbers, and everyone expects positive news, probably if it weren't for that oil bump things would have looked a bit more clear, but right now it's again 25 points probably.

Anyhow, speaking of US data, saw something funny about the job data released a few days ago:
U.S. economy adds 236,000 jobs in March as labor market stays strong
US adds 236,000 jobs in March as labor market weakens
So yeah, this volatility despite a 70-80% chance of 25 points starts making sense when two people look at a duck and say it's a goose or a swan.




I will tell you this the Fed can do 0.25 over and over and over again, but I do not think they will do more than that which translates to:

0.25 May
0.25 June
0.25 July

then a cut? or a flat in Sept

Which all translates to a  massive btc rally in fall. or not Wink
4739  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2023, 09:43:50 PM
....
..... I forgot to check the price of bitcoin during dinner.


I've got my price checking addiction habit down to once a day.
You need to go to a meeting bro. They start like this....

<xhomerx> (at meeting)... "Hello everyone, I'm Homer and I'm a bitcoin aholic"

 <Everyone else, in unison> ..... "HI HOMER!"


(If one has never been to a "meeting", this post will probably go "woooosh")

 Dr. Lance Dodes wrote a book about that and did an interview with NPR:

https://www.npr.org/2014/03/23/291405829/with-sobering-science-doctor-debunks-12-step-recovery

"...There is a large body of evidence now looking at AA success rate, and the success rate of AA is between 5 and 10 percent. Most people don't seem to know that because it's not widely publicized. ... There are some studies that have claimed to show scientifically that AA is useful. These studies are riddled with scientific errors and they say no more than what we knew to begin with, which is that AA has probably the worst success rate in all of medicine...."

I went to one meeting (NA) many moons ago just to say I have. I was like “this is nonsense!”
I think I was the only one in there not nodding off. What a joke.
When I quit dope, the last place I wanted to be was with a gathering of chain smoking, junkie losers, reciting the same old tired sob stories. It’s enough to make one want to go use again.


NA = I quit all illegal drugs by myself I don't need meetings
GA = Still go after 32 years this one still scares me a bit so I do meetings ,but gambling meetings have a shit ton of energy to them.
Nic A = Went from 1996 to 2001         so no smoking I don't need meetings
AA = was forced to go in the USN long complex story reality is I needed GA I still drink on Occasion but drinking is not an issue.
OA = 1 meeting and basically fuck that shit they were real zombies. I weighed  256 in 1996 when I went .  I weigh 205 now.

SO of all of the above:

  Nic A did help me to quit smoking .

And GA was very helpful still is.

Success rates under 10% from my observations in GA and Nic A. I did 2000+ GA meetings and a few hundred Nic A  meetings.

4740  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [FREE RAFFLE] Happy Easter on: April 10, 2023, 09:20:27 PM
 Sooo very busy I just found out I won.

Thanks!!
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