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4741  Economy / Reputation / Re: Would you trust someone who had been arrested multiple times for.. on: March 08, 2018, 11:27:52 AM
I do not understand the law where this took place so I really cannot comment fully, but it went to court and in the documents there are mentions of informal probation so I am not too sure of the full details. 

Being charged is something that needs to happen before going to court whatever country you're in. So we can rule the cops arresting someone who could later prove they did have consent etc.

"Informal probation" is a punishment so implies some sort of guilt. Although it is not unknown in some countries for people to take the lightest punishment possible, even when innocent, just because they distrust the legal system.

In this hypothetical situation, the person would have an awful lot of work to do to convince me to trust them.

4742  Economy / Reputation / Re: Would you trust someone who had been arrested multiple times for.. on: March 08, 2018, 11:13:11 AM
I did silly things as well, plenty of them, probably more than most to be honest. But stealing is something that I cannot condone. To me it is similar to men who hit women - I don't get that either.

Exactly. But there are many circumstances someone could be arrested for TWOC where stealing isn't involved. In your original question, you specifically asked about being arrested as opposed to being charged with or convicted of. If they were arrested and then released without charge it's actually probably more likely that it didn't involve theft. If you're asking if I would trust someone with a conviction then no I wouldn't.

4743  Economy / Reputation / Re: Would you trust someone who had been arrested multiple times for.. on: March 08, 2018, 11:01:51 AM
I wouldn't trust either person in this Hypothetical scenario - I mean kids make mistakes, but if they were not bought up to know right from wrong then they are a bad apple..

but that's my opinion as a parent - I teach my children the power of hard work. Other parents aren't the same, some may tech kids it is ok to take shortcuts, so taking the easy route may be in their DNA. I am sure people like that would spend there life looking for shortcuts, and may be caught up in scams/shady dealings.

I respect your opinion but don't fully agree, I did stupid things when I was younger and I know others that also did. That doesn't in my view make us untrustworthy people. That's just part of growing up.

If this hypothetical person did it as an adult, and it wasn't the cops getting it wrong, then I wouldn't trust them. I would need to know more to make a judgment.
4744  Economy / Reputation / Re: Would you trust someone who had been arrested multiple times for.. on: March 08, 2018, 10:48:16 AM

I agree. That's really the same point I'm making with the taking a car without consent examples. That may or may not involve theft. Manufacturing a potato cannon and converting deactivated/blank firing guns and selling them to criminals are also uncomparable, but show up as the same in someone's arrest record.
  

I guess TWOC could be parents making a naughty child learn a lesson, or an angry GF reacting and trying to cause a fuss.. but again it could be a dirty little fuckface who you wouldnt lend $5 in real life who goes out with a gun and steals a neighbours car whilst blasting rap music thinking they are an original gangster

Now we're on the same wavelength.


It's something that would make me suspicious enough to need to find out the full story.

4745  Economy / Reputation / Re: Would you trust someone who had been arrested multiple times for.. on: March 08, 2018, 10:36:27 AM
It depends on where the offender is from. In most countries the possession of a self-fabricated weapon is illegal. So if a 12 year old makes a potato cannon and he gets caught using it in an abandoned field he can get arrested for it. As I stated in my post, it all depends on context.

I agree. That's really the same point I'm making with the taking a car without consent examples. That may or may not involve theft. Manufacturing a potato cannon and converting deactivated/blank firing guns and selling them to criminals are also uncomparable, but show up as the same in someone's arrest record.
  
4746  Economy / Reputation / Re: Would you trust someone who had been arrested multiple times for.. on: March 08, 2018, 10:24:15 AM
As for 'Take Vehicle Without Owner Consent', that is theft in my eyes. I don't trust thieves at all. I really dislike people who take things from other people, who have spent their hard-earned money on something, because they're too lazy to work for something their selves.

that's the one that got me.. Its called Twocing in the UK, all the little scumbags do it - I do class it as a scumbag action.

then we come to scumbag=trustworthy??

If they did actually steal the car then yes. But if they were arrested and not charged there are a number of other possibilities. It could be as simple as not having the right paperwork on them at the time and the cops thinking they look too scruffy to own a nice motor.
4747  Economy / Reputation / Re: Would you trust someone who had been arrested multiple times for.. on: March 08, 2018, 10:14:40 AM
I don't see the issue with "Possess/Manufacture/Sell Dangerous Weapon", depending on the context. When I was young I made quite a few slingshots and potato cannons and I am pretty sure pretty much everyone has fabricated some sort of weapon when they were young  Grin.

The full question included 'arrested for' so the context is doing it in an illegal manner.
4748  Economy / Reputation / Re: Would you trust someone who had been arrested multiple times for.. on: March 08, 2018, 10:05:04 AM
probably best if I don't go into specifics here fella. I was just genuinely interested in other peoples views on arrests and peoples trust.

Completely understandable.

one more hypothetical question.. would you trust someone who had been arrested for taking a car with hundreds of thousands of dollars?

what about if they already were in a position of trust and currently had the funds, then it came to light that they hadn't disclosed previous arrests?

It really depends on the full story. That's why I gave that example of my friend taking his parents car when he was 17. If it was something like that I don't think it would affect how I trust them as an adult. If they were part of some organised crime gang ringing cars to export to Eastern Europe and got off on a technicality then I wouldn't trust them to hold my pint while I go for a piss.
4749  Economy / Reputation / Re: Would you trust someone who had been arrested multiple times for.. on: March 08, 2018, 09:52:15 AM
What do you mean by "someone called you out"? There are circumstances I'd admit it and others I'd tell them to mind their own frickin' business.
4750  Economy / Reputation / Re: Would you trust someone who had been arrested multiple times for.. on: March 08, 2018, 09:31:57 AM
Taken on face value, would you trust someone with funds if they had been arrested in the past for taking a car without the owners consent? I don't think I would, especially if they tried to hide that fact.

When I was a teenager a friend was arrested for taking his parents' car without permission (he was 17 with a provisional licence). Obviously, they gave him a hard time about it but didn't press charges. He wasn't exactly broadcasting the news around school at the time. I still trust him.

It's something that would make me suspicious enough to need to find out the full story.

Personally I think that people make mistakes, I have made plenty over my lifetime, but I am happy to admit if I have made an error or done something wrong. People who do not have the guts to admit to mistakes and try to hide them are scummy to me 

I agree with this but there's a difference between admitting to friends or people you do business with and making it public information.
4751  Economy / Reputation / Re: Would you trust someone who had been arrested multiple times for.. on: March 08, 2018, 09:16:12 AM
Would you trust someone who has been arrested for the below?

* Possess/Manufacture/Sell Dangerous Weapon
* Take Vehicle Without Owner Consent

Arrested but not convicted? That's not much to go on. I certainly wouldn't distrust someone over it. If the case wasn't prosecuted, we have to assume the charges were bogus.

no smoke without fire? 1 arrest very different from 3 or 4..

I am asking about someones character and if repeated arrests = good character.

Irrelevant. Cops are miserable pieces of shit. I've seen good people railroaded before -- doesn't take much. Try being on the wrong side of someone who is close to a police. Prosecutors tend to be more reasonable; they don't prosecute cases they can't prove. This is why juries exist. Pointing to an arrest record is just an appeal to authority. We don't know what really happened.

I would have to take it on a case by case basis. A record of having been arrested but not charged and/or convicted could be either a smart criminal that knows how to get away with it or harassment from law enforcement with a grudge. It's certainly grounds for suspicion but not by any means evidence that should be taken alone.

4752  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Exchange with lowest BTC withdrawal Fee? on: March 08, 2018, 08:25:29 AM
You could add Bitfinex to list, their current withdrawal fee is 0.0004BTC, but like most they do update that periodically so it might be difficult to keep this list up to date.
Then there's also Bittrex that has a fee of 0.001BTC that doesn't seem to change.


4753  Other / Meta / Re: Question about newbies with 100+ merits on: March 08, 2018, 08:05:39 AM
I noticed exactly the same thing. It doesn't necessarily mean they were banned, just that the posts have been deleted. It is possible that they decided to do that themselves for some reason unknown.
4754  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Exploring double spends, a thought experiment on: March 08, 2018, 07:48:42 AM
Whereas 1 and 2 are still valid, item 3 has a tough standpoint with quantitative easing around the world.
We don’t see the inflation, that should have been expected. So there must be other axioms valid, that replace item 3?

Regardless of fiat currencies being inflationary, there is still a certain amount of scarcity to it. Even with quantitative easing and fractional banking there is a limit on how much money can be conjured out of thin air. In cases of actual hyperinflation money, has always been completely devalued, with people resorting to foreign currencies or other forms of trade where possible.

Nonetheless I concur that axiom 3 hinges on the definition of scarcity. However I'd still argue that most monies we see today are scarce enough, while currencies affected by hyperinflation are empirically not scarce enough to be useful. It follows that hyperinflation as suggested by monsterer2 does not satisfy any viable definiton of the term scarce as required by axiom 3.

Point being, unless hyperinflationary money is shown to be potentially viable, any discussion about some sort of game theory based consensus is moot. In a free market there is a Nash equilibrium regarding hyperinflationary money -- using other forms of money instead.

Quantitative easing although inflationary has not caused hyperinflation. To see the effects of hyperinflation have a look at the social and economic problems currently occurring in Venezuela where inflation is running at over 2300%. Exactly as you suggested other forms of currency are preferred in Venezuela. I would say that there are plenty of existing examples that prove hyperinflationary money is not viable.

As already pointed out above:

Furthermore, this isn't about stealing, this is about counterfeiting.  If "Bob" has 1 coin, and he can reproduce that 1 coin and spend his reproductions, then he has created counterfeit coins.  The existing system of government currencies implements many features to make it difficult to counterfeit the currency.  It also implements significant penalties for counterfeiting. The question being asked by the OP is "What if we just allowed everyone to create as much counterfeit government currency as they want to? Could we build some kind of Nash equilibrium around this?"

Allowing double-spend in a decentralised currency would most likely lead to similar hyperinflation and thus make it an unattractive currency to use.
4755  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: March 08, 2018, 05:53:20 AM
And no, I can't prove my case either.

If you are trying to claim that there is a problem that is the minimum requirement.
4756  Other / Meta / Re: LoyceV's Merit data analysis on: March 07, 2018, 05:23:23 PM
That happens if you hit refresh after sending merit. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg29197764#msg29197764
I've seen that bug before, but I doubt that happens at the same second. User "bitart" isn't in my list of people who sent Merit twice in one second.

It's obviously possible to do it slower than 1 second which would explain bitart's absence from the data. I was just thinking it would be odd if there was another bug that caused the same thing.


Double-clicking the button perhaps?

Ah the fat finger bug, I hadn't thought of that. It could be, now I need to find a post worth two merit to see if I can replicate it.
4757  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: March 07, 2018, 05:09:27 PM
Well, see if my reasoning is correct, the moment I give merit to any user, will that amount sent be deducted from my amount of merits received?

Your reasoning is incorrect. You have a separate balance of spendable merit as described in the opening post of this thread.
4758  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: March 07, 2018, 04:41:17 PM
Might it be an idea to give everyone who posts consistently a base rate of 5 merit per month or something similar? This way at least you can still earn a little bit of merit. Currently it is very hard to get merit, since it's all about other peoples opinion's of your posts. I do think it's good to reward good quality posting, but maybe some consistent stream of a little bit of merit will at least help to get a bit closer to the next goal every time, even though you still would have to make quality posts.

I would say the idea is counter-intuitive. Giving users merits for posting consistently will just make merit the same as activity, thus making it useless. The idea of merit is to reward and force users to make quality posts. A simpler way to say it: activity reward users on their post amount over time (hence the name) and merit on their post quality.

It's more than counter-intuitive, it would completely defeat its purpose. To anyone complaining that it is hard to get merit I would recommend that rather than coming up with ways to modify the system to suit you, try and modify your posting to suit the system.
4759  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading learnings offer on: March 07, 2018, 02:15:39 PM
I'm curious, one of my friend receive an offer to teach him trading in binance with starting capital for free via message in this forum. It is legit or not? Your answer will be appreciated.

i think it depends. i am not clear what the "offer" was here.
what do you mean "with starting capital"?

It's not possible to tell as the sentence has been constructed in such a way that it can be taken both ways. I think it is extremely likely that this is an attempted scam and he means the "teach him trading" part is free and the "starting capital" is what will be stolen.

Even if this isn't a scam you should verify the person's credentials anyway. Can they prove that they are a profitable trader? Can they provide broker or exchange statements that show they have consistently made a profit over a number of years? Can they prove they are the same person named on that account? If they can't do that then they probably have no knowledge to give you.
4760  Other / Meta / Re: LoyceV's Merit data analysis on: March 07, 2018, 12:34:59 PM
That happens if you hit refresh after sending merit. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg29197764#msg29197764
I've seen that bug before, but I doubt that happens at the same second. User "bitart" isn't in my list of people who sent Merit twice in one second.

It's obviously possible to do it slower than 1 second which would explain bitart's absence from the data. I was just thinking it would be odd if there was another bug that caused the same thing.

Anyway thanks for doing this, the site stats cutting the lists off at 50 is very limiting. I'm also looking forward to the ranking stats. That'll not only find the cheats but also show that people can still rank up if they deserve it.
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