I found this line #parser.add_option("--bitcoind-path", dest="bitcoindPath",default='DEFAULT', type="str", help="Path to the location of bitcoind on your system") at https://raw.githubusercontent.com/etotheipi/BitcoinArmory/rrld_planB/armoryengine.py is commented out. The same goes for the lines that use that flag # Change the settings file to use
#BITCOIND_PATH = None
#if not CLI_OPTIONS.bitcoindPath.lower()=='default':
#BITCOIND_PATH = CLI_OPTIONS.bitcoindPath It looks like its meant to change the bitcoind/qt exe path. Im not sure though if it works for bitcoinqt and not only bitcoind but i guess yes. Can this be made valid again since it looks like the only way to make armory automatically find and start a portable bitcoin-qt-version. But when i think about it... it doesnt make sense if armory simply starts the bitcoin-qt.exe in the directory one could specify when bitcoinqt is portable. It would mean it would download the blockchain again and create a new directory in roaming-dir. So either bitcoinqt can be started and is using the directory by some conf-file that specifies where the blockchain is stored or armory needs to use the shortcut to start bitcoinqt with the flag included that specifies the blockchain-dir for bitcoin-qt. Someone knows a solution? |
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Good to read you are cautious. Though it sounds a bit risky sending bitcoins around with scripts you work on. I mean im a coder myself and i really hope you never have a slight error in it...  Though the worst risk lies in a walking bank itself and Rubber-hose cryptanalysis. I dont really like thinking about it and wouldnt know how to protect if im in your shoes. |
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What do you think should be the next feature?
I know i wasnt asked but being able to see your private wealth automatically expressed in fiat is a nice feature. Or if you want to send someone money you instantly know the fiat amount. But i believe that would need a network activity besides bitcoin-qt. Since i didnt saw the possibility to setup proxies i dont think it will be implemented. But maybe there are already other traffic. |
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also wenn ich das versuche kommt:  Seltsam. Wenn ich den Link https://www.lobbycontrol.de/unterstutzen/bitcoin-spenden/ aufrufe dann gelange ich auf eine Seite wo jetzt steht dass man bis 2000€ anonym spenden kann. Link ist im Text. Wenn man mehr spenden will solle man sich per Mail melden. Wenn ich dann auf den Link klicke erscheint das Spendenformular. Und wenn ich ganz unten auf den Bezahlbutton klicke komme ich zu Bitpay und könnte überweisen. Welchen Link hast du den probiert? Hab ich vielleicht eine falsche URL irgendwo gepostet? |
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I wanted to check the site out. First thing i missed was the total invested. Until i found that this stat is there. It only does only show up when the browser window is width enough. I guess that could be changed. Then i saw https://everydice.com/dailystats and would like to ask what happened in the last 3 days. 218 BTC lost in the last 3 days? What happened? Everything legit and someone like Nakowa came in? And the total invested is at 85 BTC, yesterday it was 130 BTC. Does this mean the total invested was around 350 BTC some days ago and someone won everything to 130 BTC away? Thats a loss of 63%. So i would like to hear what happened. And i have read in the thread that the winner had problems to withdraw. What was the general understanding of the players about this. Was it seen negative so that it could have an effect on future gamblers? |
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Im a bit worried about the implementation of 2FA. There are a not small number of 2FA-Codes that work all the time. At least thats what the settigns page claims. I thinks thats pretty risky and would make bruteforce attacks much easier. I didnt see such codes at other websites yet so i think its an additional risk only.
And what i dont like is that it only protects the login. Ubikeys can be configured to be used for withdraws and trades of securities. But thats not the case for 2FA. So it sounds risky for me. Logging in is easier and then no protection anymore.
I would like to have this changed. I think these recovery codes are risky. Im not even sure if one recovery code would be needed since you would have to write it down somewhere. But at least 2FA should be useable for certain tasks too.
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2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1794 - Setting up networking...
2014-05-22 20:02 (ERROR) -- ArmoryQt.py:1837 - Error checking for internet connection
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "ArmoryQt.py", line 1835, in setupNetworking
File "urllib2.pyc", line 127, in urlopen
File "urllib2.pyc", line 404, in open
File "urllib2.pyc", line 422, in _open
File "urllib2.pyc", line 382, in _call_chain
File "urllib2.pyc", line 1214, in http_open
File "urllib2.pyc", line 1187, in do_open
File "httplib.pyc", line 1045, in getresponse
File "httplib.pyc", line 409, in begin
File "httplib.pyc", line 373, in _read_status
BadStatusLine: ''
2014-05-22 20:02 (ERROR) -- ArmoryQt.py:1838 - Run --skip-online-check if you think this is an error
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1846 - Internet connection is Available: False
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1847 - Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind is Available: 0
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1848 - The first blk*.dat was Available: False
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1849 - Online mode currently possible: False
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1968 - startBitcoindIfNecessary
2014-05-22 20:02 (WARNING) -- ArmoryQt.py:1970 - Not online, will not start bitcoind
Maybe this is obvious, but did you try what the log-file suggests? It seems armory can't detect if your system is connected to the interent for some reason and thus won't start bitcoind. I tried that but then it only says "Cannot find Bitcoin Installation" instead of Offline. Though the logfile claims that bitcoin-Qt is available with the value 8333. Maybe a port? But the no internet check flag doesnt change it in the good direction. Your log file suggests you are failing every condition for geting online. Though, perhaps failing the first condition is causing the others to fail, too. - Run with --skip-online-check or check the box in the settings to disable online checks
- For now, change the settings to run Bitcoin Core yourself (first checkbox in the settings dialog). Close Armory, run Core (Bitcoin-Qt or bitcoind), when it's done synchronizing, start Armory
- Make sure you have set --satoshi-datadir to the directory containing "blocks" and "wallet.dat"... default is C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Bitcoin
- Do you use a custom bitcoin.conf file? That can screw up things, like limiting connections, changing ports. If not, ignore this line.
Once that is working, and if you switch back to having Armory run Bitcoin Core, make sure the settings point to the base directory where it is installed... default is C:\Program Files\Bitcoin It seems to work... It says preparing databases now. I guess when i pointed to AppData, where wallet.dat is saved, it couldnt start bitcoin-qt.exe so it didnt work. And it couldnt find wallet.dat when i pointed to the bitcoin-qt.exe dir. Ill see if it works automatically later when the database is created. I saw you are the founder of armory... is armory using bitcoin-qt for every network related transfer? I mean i can setup the use of the tor-network in bitcoin-qt (not active at the moment), but i didnt find a way to do the same in armory. Does this mean every traffic goes through bitcoin-qt? Is the use of bitcoin-qt or armory resulting in traces? I mean when i use a copy of bitcoin-qt to run armory, are there traces of transactions, addresses and so on in bitcoin-qt logs and such things or is that completely independently and no traces are created? When i run bitcoin-qt and armory portable like i try to do it, will there be traces on the pc elsewhere? In registry for example? I already copied both dirs and deinstalled the main softare with comodo systems manager, which should have deleted everything from registry too. But i dont know if traces are build again somwhere when i run them portable. Thanks! |
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What you are saying is that any software offered today requires rented time on actual hardware with minimum usage amounts? That is going to be tough to work around. The beauty of a project like this would have been to basically design the hardware in sections and a few key people putting it all together.
What i mean is that the foundry, for example, TSMC has design rules. Only when you follow these design rules a chip can be produced. It was simple with older nm ASICs. One could create the logic and later make the chip so that it can be produced by following the rules. Now you cant do that at the end only anymore. You need the design software all the time while developing because the materials and tech to produce the conductor pathes are so vulnerable that a following production step could hurt everything. So the design software has to check all the time while developing if the production process will work with it. So the difference is that you now need the expensive design software all the time. If you want production tech that uses very small process nodes that arent really standard yet it gets even more complicated and so on. I dont believe that its possible to create a competitive chip now anymore. If you go to develop 40-28nm then it takes so long to develop that the costs and the development of the bitcoin network will bring everything down to rubbish. We thought about building an ASIC that is partly old process node but partly a very low process node. So that the critical calculations can be done very fast. But that wont work too. Its possible to create such process nodes but the price is not reasonable. And to develop the tech you need design software and rules that have to be developed first. So there are enough problems even when there would be the funds to the machines to create the wafers on your own. So we stopped thinking about developing ourself a half year ago. Bitcoin is way too fast that there could be a chance to make that successfully. I dont see a way how this could be done. And that not even takes into account the risks like non working chips, boards and so on. I believe this "Asic Goldrush" is over for developers. A couple made it, more failed and some even scammed. I might be wrong though of course. Im no professional, i only sat together with some others, called design software sellers and producer for machines that can be used for creating wafers yourself. All in order to check out all ways possible to raise the chances for a profit at the end. |
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2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1794 - Setting up networking...
2014-05-22 20:02 (ERROR) -- ArmoryQt.py:1837 - Error checking for internet connection
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "ArmoryQt.py", line 1835, in setupNetworking
File "urllib2.pyc", line 127, in urlopen
File "urllib2.pyc", line 404, in open
File "urllib2.pyc", line 422, in _open
File "urllib2.pyc", line 382, in _call_chain
File "urllib2.pyc", line 1214, in http_open
File "urllib2.pyc", line 1187, in do_open
File "httplib.pyc", line 1045, in getresponse
File "httplib.pyc", line 409, in begin
File "httplib.pyc", line 373, in _read_status
BadStatusLine: ''
2014-05-22 20:02 (ERROR) -- ArmoryQt.py:1838 - Run --skip-online-check if you think this is an error
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1846 - Internet connection is Available: False
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1847 - Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind is Available: 0
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1848 - The first blk*.dat was Available: False
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1849 - Online mode currently possible: False
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1968 - startBitcoindIfNecessary
2014-05-22 20:02 (WARNING) -- ArmoryQt.py:1970 - Not online, will not start bitcoind
Maybe this is obvious, but did you try what the log-file suggests? It seems armory can't detect if your system is connected to the interent for some reason and thus won't start bitcoind. I tried that but then it only says "Cannot find Bitcoin Installation" instead of Offline. Though the logfile claims that bitcoin-Qt is available with the value 8333. Maybe a port? But the no internet check flag doesnt change it in the good direction. |
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These tools costs very much money. Even renting them. And when you want something thats not really standard yet you need to work together with the software developer so they can fix every problem when it happens.
When i thought about creating 14nm Asic's with someone i called such a company by phone. Flowcad. And he spoke with the creator Cadence. Its not possible to simply buy such a product because the tech is not yet developed. That means you would have to sit together with TSMC, cadence and work together. Because the software isnt ready. The steps in between has to be finetuned all the way between all parts. He claimed its nothing like it was with 300nm once. There are no geometrical rules anymore. You have to have the rules not only in the last step, you need the rules all the time developing from the first step because the design has to be proofed from the start designing and is checked with every step done creating the design. Otherwise you could include your design into design software to check the foundry rules are applied. Thats not possible with low process nodes anymore. You need the software for developing.
Renting low process node development software costs 70,000€ - 80,000€ for a half year for analog and starts from 800,000€ for digital ASICs. Thats renting alone.
I have used software like Cadence in the past to design my own ICC in the past. If the software isn't ready for 14nm, and the manufacturing process isn't even ready, then that more or less means we should look at manufacturing process that does have software ready. In your research how is the software like Cadence licensed now that geometrical rules are no longer used. My experience involved those rules, the software was easy enough to learn. You started with the basic and worked your way up. The major problem I see is unless you can spread the actual work around, have different design tasks, that this would be a ton of work for a small group of people. What we have going for us is the fact we have an overal idea of the design itself. We know how both SHA256 and SCRYPT. All we have to do is figure out which ICCs ( AND, OR, NOT ) and in what combination to implement the design. Everything we need to implement can be implemented using those three operations. I forget the name of the software I used, it might have even been Cadence, this was back in 2008 and it ran on Linux. The version of the software itself was note even current. What we designed was actually manufactured at the end of the project. The geometrical rules are for the production process in the foundry. But with the last tech its somewhat more complicated since its not simple things like the minimum placeholder, the software has to simulate the production process with each step you do in the creating process because otherwise the materials could bring out unwanted results. At least thats how i understood it. |
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Ken if for some odd reason you have BTC in Bitstamp please remove them today. There are signs that they are potentially going through the same stuff Gox did and we all know how that ended.
What signs? |
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L:\something\Armory\ArmoryQt.exe --satoshi-datadir="L:\something\BQT" --datadir="L:\something\Armory\Datadir"
Try L:\something\Armory\ArmoryQt.exe --satoshi-datadir="L:\something\BQT\AppData" --datadir="L:\something\Armory\Datadir" I already tried AppData and daemon but it didnt change anything it seems. When i check the log then the first ERRORs i see are here: 2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:2252 - loadWalletsAndSettings
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:2310 - Loading wallets...
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:2359 - Number of wallets read in: 0
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1794 - Setting up networking...
2014-05-22 20:02 (ERROR) -- ArmoryQt.py:1837 - Error checking for internet connection
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "ArmoryQt.py", line 1835, in setupNetworking
File "urllib2.pyc", line 127, in urlopen
File "urllib2.pyc", line 404, in open
File "urllib2.pyc", line 422, in _open
File "urllib2.pyc", line 382, in _call_chain
File "urllib2.pyc", line 1214, in http_open
File "urllib2.pyc", line 1187, in do_open
File "httplib.pyc", line 1045, in getresponse
File "httplib.pyc", line 409, in begin
File "httplib.pyc", line 373, in _read_status
BadStatusLine: ''
2014-05-22 20:02 (ERROR) -- ArmoryQt.py:1838 - Run --skip-online-check if you think this is an error
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1846 - Internet connection is Available: False
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1847 - Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind is Available: 0
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1848 - The first blk*.dat was Available: False
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1849 - Online mode currently possible: False
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1968 - startBitcoindIfNecessary
2014-05-22 20:02 (WARNING) -- ArmoryQt.py:1970 - Not online, will not start bitcoind
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1106 - setupUriRegistration
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1225 - URL-register action: AskUser
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:587 - Usermode: Expert
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1373 - Changing usermode:
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1374 - From: Expert
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1382 - To: Expert
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:5417 - Dashboard switched to auto-OfflineNoSatoshiNoInternet
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:4986 - Switching Armory state text to Mgmt:Auto, State:OfflineNoSatoshiNoInternet
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:4928 - Switching Armory functional mode to "Offline"
2014-05-22 20:02 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:6456 - Another Armory instance just tried to open.
2014-05-22 20:02 (ERROR) -- announcefetch.pyc:162 - Loop was busy for more than one second
2014-05-22 20:02 (ERROR) -- announcefetch.pyc:162 - Loop was busy for more than one second
2014-05-22 20:02 (ERROR) -- announcefetch.pyc:162 - Loop was busy for more than one second
2014-05-22 20:02 (WARNING) -- ArmoryQt.py:1504 - No Armory links in the downloads list
2014-05-22 20:02 (WARNING) -- ArmoryQt.py:1564 - No Satoshi links in the downloads list
2014-05-22 20:02 (ERROR) -- announcefetch.pyc:268 - Unspecified error downloading URL And so on. The above log is when i add AppData. When i dont add a subdir then it seems this log line looks more correct: 2014-05-22 20:17 (INFO) -- ArmoryQt.py:1847 - Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind is Available: 8333 Its not zero like it is with the subdirs. So it found the installation. I dont have a bitcoin.conf too and i updated bitcoin-qt and bitcoind to the newest available version. Can it be that armory needs to be told the position of bitcoin-qt and then it tries to find bitcoin and the blockchain? But it cant find the blockchain when its not stored on C:. So maybe the .blk-file-dir has to be specified specially. I found a path named User home-directory in the logfile that points to the user-roaming-dir on drive c:. Maybe armory is searching there for the blk-files only. Though i wouldnt know how to change it since the dir lying in Roaming would be named Bitcoin. But i cant believe that no one made armory completely portable yet. That has to be something that would have been requeste way way earlier in the development i guess. I searched the sourcecode here for more flags: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/etotheipi/BitcoinArmory/rrld_planB/armoryengine.pybut there is nothing that looks like a flag for the settingsdir. And when i tried --bitcoind-path as flag armory even crashed instantly as a process and didnt load at all. Maybe i need to try my luck with the support. I sent in a logfile now. |
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Should bitcoin-home dir be a different dir than the dir where the bitcoin-qt.exe is located? I tried the subdir AppData but without success.
I think it should be the dir, where "bitcoind.exe" is located. Armory seems to be using that instead of the full Qt-Client. I tried it but its still offline. bitcoind.exe is under daemon subdir. Didnt look like it changes anything. |
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Maybe i should explain a bit better. I run bitcoin-qt portable with the following link:
"L:\something\BQT\bitcoin-qt.exe" -datadir="L:\something\BQT\AppData" -server
It works fine and puts all data into the dir AppData so that it runs portable on its own.
I start electrum with:
L:\something\Armory\ArmoryQt.exe --satoshi-datadir="L:\something\BQT" --datadir="L:\something\Armory\Datadir"
Armory stores its data correctly into the subdir Datadir but armory is always only offline. Regardless if i have bitcoin-qt started from the start or not. Is it because my bitcoinqt is portable? So that armory is searching in the wrong place for the blocks and more?
I want to have both wallets completely independent. Ideally no traces leaving on the remaining harddiscs. I already deleted traces in user... and deinstalled armory and bitcoinqt after copying the dirs. Like i said, bitcoinqt runs portable fine, armory seems to run portable too, only that it is offline only.
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I dont get armory to work with my portable bitcoin-qt. When i have bitcoin-qt running and start armory then armory wants me to close bitcoin-qt. But when i click the button to close it nothing happens except that bitcoin-qt is closed. When i restart armory then it remains offline even though the log claims that it understood datadir and satoshi-datadir correctly. It shows up at satoshiHome and datadir vars for example.
When im in the settings then its checked to let armory start bitcoin-qt. I didnt fill the dir-fields but the lower one shows the correct default dir and i see that armory stores its data in the correct dir too.
So it looks like it works... only it remains offline and asks me to download bitcoin-qt from bitcoin.org.
Should bitcoin-home dir be a different dir than the dir where the bitcoin-qt.exe is located? I tried the subdir AppData but without success.
Another question... is armory using bitcoin-qt for every network related transfer? I mean i can setup the use of the tor-network in bitcoin-qt, but i didnt find a way to do the same in armory.
Last question... is the use of bitcoin-qt resulting in traces? I mean when i use a copy of bitcoin-qt to run armory, are there traces of transactions, addresses and more in bitcoin-qt logs or something or is that independently?
Thanks!
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Is there a way to require a password on Armory start? What if somebody gains access to my computer, opens Armory, and can see all my transactions and also the notes that I have entered to go along with those transactions?
I dont know a way directly but you might use a truecrypt file container. It has plausible deniability too. Make sure to backup the file container, for example to external harddiscs. And you might have lie the file container in google drive dir on your pc. That way your wallet is backed up in he cloud too in case you lose pc and backups. I like your thinking, Sebastian! Create a tiny 10mb container file, and have an almost empty wallet as a decoy in the "outer" part, and the real wallet in the "inner" part! This helps against a rubberhose-attack in most cases. And yes, those will come eventually. Ente Though the decoy wallet should be used ocassionally and contain something to make it valid for viewers. And of course you dont forget the password you should give in the case of threats. Best thing would be to use the decoy wallet as your real wallet for everyday things but the hidden wallet for the bigger savings. That would look most natural i guess. Theoretically... But its important to not lose the passwords... worst case would be you lose your memory and you dont know you have bitcoins and whats the passwords. And yes... bitcoin in itself serves a threat to its owners. Having your money at the bank is somewhat safer than having it protected by a password only. Bank robbers get a couple thousands if lucky. But bitcoiners can lose everything with a single password stolen, threatened out or forgotten. Not to speak about having no backups. So its wise to think about every possibility... Edit: Of course armory and bitcoinqt needs to be portable. Otherwise important data is on drive c somewhere... Im trying to find out to how to do it with the flags at startup. bitcoinqt is already portable... now armory is left. |
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Is there a way to require a password on Armory start? What if somebody gains access to my computer, opens Armory, and can see all my transactions and also the notes that I have entered to go along with those transactions?
I dont know a way directly but you might use a truecrypt file container. It has plausible deniability too. Make sure to backup the file container, for example to external harddiscs. And you might have lie the file container in google drive dir on your pc. That way your wallet is backed up in he cloud too in case you lose pc and backups. |
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Sounds a bit like electrum with the additional server. So there is a public server that handles the transactions? If so thats not for me unfortunately since i see a risk in having a server being able to see all transactions, addresses and budget. I mean one hint and you can look into someones wallet. Of course only when you own the (electrum) , created a server or hacked one.
But thanks for answering...
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If someone could give me the tools (software and knowledge) I'll gladly design an amazing chip. I have designed 32bit PC's in minecraft so designing an asic can't be too hard. That 32 Bit PC had 4MB ram and 10MB of storage. (Of course i used a mod to help with it. It was RedPower mod made by Elorram. That mod added in most kinds of basic IC's like NAND and AND and NOR and OR and a few other basic chips.)
All I need to know is the basic chip design principles (In/Out/Work) and the software used to design such a chip. I have a (somewhat) good PC that should be able to run it (albeit slow). I know it takes alot to manufacture a chip and boards but I'd at least like a shot at designing a chip. Be great practice for sure.
You can send me a pm if you have any info that I stated I would need.
These tools costs very much money. Even renting them. And when you want something thats not really standard yet you need to work together with the software developer so they can fix every problem when it happens. When i thought about creating 14nm Asic's with someone i called such a company by phone. Flowcad. And he spoke with the creator Cadence. Its not possible to simply buy such a product because the tech is not yet developed. That means you would have to sit together with TSMC, cadence and work together. Because the software isnt ready. The steps in between has to be finetuned all the way between all parts. He claimed its nothing like it was with 300nm once. There are no geometrical rules anymore. You have to have the rules not only in the last step, you need the rules all the time developing from the first step because the design has to be proofed from the start designing and is checked with every step done creating the design. Otherwise you could include your design into design software to check the foundry rules are applied. Thats not possible with low process nodes anymore. You need the software for developing. Renting low process node development software costs 70,000€ - 80,000€ for a half year for analog and starts from 800,000€ for digital ASICs. Thats renting alone. |
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Hi Does anyone here provide multisig agent (escrow) service? Using https://coinb.in/multisig/ Please get a new bitcoin key pair and post your public key here. (and keep your private key safe and secure) I understand it correctly that you want that buyer and seller provide their sigs to the escrow and the escrow releases the coins to the seller then by using his signature? Sounds like normal escrow work if im correct and if it can be done via the website. Let me know and ill test it with you if you wish. Though theres the risk that one party isnt giving the signature and the coins cant be revived. Im not so sure if the involvement of a third party has many advantages. What i can imagine is that problems might be cleared in private without involving scam accusations a little bit better with an escrow. |
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