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4781  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Please enlighten me on: April 13, 2022, 06:57:55 PM
Here are the reasons why this can't happen, at least at the moment.

  • Volatility. You can't realistically make a living by using a currency that does +-5% a week.
  • Few accept it. There's a significant adoption done this in the last 5 years, but it's just a tiny fraction when it comes to all the available stores.
  • Propaganda. (Climate change, criminal usage, pyramid scheme or bubble etc.)
4782  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: BlackHatCoiner's Blockchain Stats BBCode Depicter on: April 13, 2022, 05:15:21 PM
This free service is back in action.  Smiley

Added: Exchange rate.
Exchange rate: (of 2.5 BTC as an example)


Code:
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4783  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does Bitcoin have any real value? on: April 13, 2022, 12:23:54 PM
I can see where you are going with that and what you are trying to tell me however the real question here is whether or not Bitcoin can go to 0.
No, this is not what I meant. I just said that the minimum value of Bitcoin isn't constant, because the cost to produce it constantly changes.

Now if EVERYTHING including energy became absolutely worthless in the world, then the base price of Bitcoin would become 0. But thats unrealistic, don't you think?
Again, the cost of producing Bitcoin isn't strictly connected with the value. There's a demand and a supply. Whether the energy rises to the top or falls to the bottom, the only thing that will change is the cost of producing Bitcoin. (ceteris paribus)

Energy can't worth $0. If we assume that the price of all kind of energy sources fell by 50%, then it'd suddenly become much more profitable to mine bitcoins. That would mean more computational power willing to be used. As a result, difficulty would skyrocket.
4784  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Help a newbie; why is hashing not done once but twice during Bitcoin transaction on: April 13, 2022, 12:13:12 PM
what would be so hard about programming a system to find bugs like this duplicate transaction id?
That it may function falsely. Welcome to software engineering. Smiley

You can't know you have a bug until you do something you'd never done before which appeared an unexpected result. The only way to lower your chances is to do structured programming which makes your code easier to read and develop further by third parties. It also takes less time to build things that way.

From my experience, when I start over-complicating my code for some reason, it's usually when I know I'll have trouble.

Their bank never has bugs that affect their account balance or if they do they get fixed so that no one loses any money...
Start reading: https://www.ptsecurity.com/ww-en/analytics/vulnerabilities-rbo-2019/
4785  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: How to Improve Mining Efficiency on: April 12, 2022, 08:10:56 PM
I'll skip the mining efficiency proposal. You've got a perfect, summarized answer from odolvlobo.

The main obstacle for adoption right now is energy consumption and waste.
Come on, seriously? That's an even worse answer than franky's, who believes that the main reasons are the block size and the low income. The main obstacles for adoption are clearly political. The problem is outside Bitcoin, cryptography, computer science.

Two are the main reasons; the volatility and the government's brainwashing, which includes misconceptions about the energy waste. Most people have got a false idea of what's Bitcoin, because the media have misinformed them so. They can't understand the benefits they can gain if they do this collectively. Most don't even know how money works.
4786  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why no simple service for HODLing Bitcoin? on: April 12, 2022, 07:55:29 PM
.. hmm. sound familiar..
It doesn't sound familiar to me. It may sound to you, though, who doesn't like any second layers and who can't comprehend that blockchain is inefficient.

he possibly wants to see if anyone thinks its a good idea
The fact that you're comparing Lightning with an implementation of this meaningless concept is just underwhelming. It has already a solution on the first layer, no need to extend this further. Lightning is for micro-transacting, which can't be done efficiently otherwise.

But, keep trying. Everyone's ignoring you.
4787  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Which mixer are you using? Can you assess it with Tor? on: April 12, 2022, 07:03:48 PM
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“Centralized services are obviously more accessible and more approachable. However, they will have access to your Bitcoin and IP addresses. Hence, they are not the most private service in the world. Decentralized mixers can be a little less approachable, but they are a lot more private.”
This is not true. First of all, it's not the reason they own your money that diminishes your privacy. It's the fact that the know which are the outputs you own. If by decentralized mixers we mean coinjoin, there's still a party that knows what you own.

Secondly, decentralized mixers aren't more private, that's the problem. If only they were. There's no case, I know, of a person who got traced after they mixed in ChipMixer, which is the most trustworthy and well-known. On the other hand, you can find lots of cases where a coinjoin was just not enough.
4788  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why no simple service for HODLing Bitcoin? on: April 12, 2022, 11:32:15 AM
There's no purpose to create another useless token for this reason. If you want to ensure you'll own coins in X years, just follow the steps below:

  • Create a new seed phrase and derive an address.
  • Sign a transaction where you send all of your coins to that address and make it valid after a certain block.
  • Lose access to your coins. (Delete the wallet file, destroy the old seed phrase etc.)

Now you have no coins until the block you chose is mined. Needless to say how not recommended this is.
4789  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Newbie question; can a particular digital signature work for several transactio on: April 12, 2022, 11:05:14 AM
It's used instead of a public key or an address.
It's used along with the public key, to verify the ownership.

My issue is whether this signature can be used for several transactions.
It can't, because in each transaction you need to include the input, which is the id of another transaction (and many other values[1]). Each transaction is unique due to this identifier, which is the id (AKA TXID or transaction hash). You can't have the same signature, because you need to sign an entirely different message each time.

[1] https://learnmeabitcoin.com/technical/transaction-data
4790  Economy / Reputation / Re: Accusing GeorgeJohn and/or KingsDen for account farming on: April 12, 2022, 06:23:41 AM
Okay, fortunately I turned out wrong. I guess case's closed now.
4791  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I know when btc is down the support but there is problem on: April 11, 2022, 08:12:29 PM
If i buy from floor i make a lot profit but its not enough profit if i buy just btc from the lowest price i need that i can get automacilly my set price altcoins when btc at the price level i think whole market goes up.
And what do you want from me? My soul? It's none of our business what you're doing with your money. What do you expect us? To give you investment advices?
4792  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Installing bitcoin core on fedora on external SSD drive on: April 11, 2022, 08:05:56 PM
The problem is, bitcoin core doesn't let me choose the external drive.
Can you access the external drive from Fedora? If yes, have you tried using the datadir parameter?
Code:
bitcoind --datadir=<your_external_drive_location>

It should be some sort of /mnt/tmp.

Edit: (datadir can also be set in the configuration file as rightly said above)
4793  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I know when btc is down the support but there is problem on: April 11, 2022, 07:59:59 PM
Dude, you make no sense. I've tried to concentrate and read this utter nonsense, but it's like a smash in the keyboard. Why do you have to keep appearing here when there's a drop in price? Stop torturing us, please. For God's sake.
4794  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does Bitcoin have any real value? on: April 11, 2022, 07:45:49 PM
Now, if I were to sell you something you cannot live without, like water, the base value constants become the supply and demand and the work I need to do in order to get to that water, get it out of the well, bottle it up and deliver it. This becomes a minimum in price.
We don't disagree, I'm just pointing you out that it's not the same with Bitcoin, because those sudden drops in either the price or the required computational power can redefine the cost.

If 1 BTC is valuated at $40,000, but there's a sudden Chinese black out which affects lots of Chinese pools that contribute by owning a significant percentage of the network's hash rate, the cost of producing 1 BTC will decrease once the difficulty re-targets. But, the price has no reason to change, because the supply has remained the same (it's inflating by 6.25 BTC every ~10 minutes) and so is the demand.

Another example, but with change in demand: If there's a intensive trend of selling, which essentially causes drop in the demand, the equilibrium price will decrease. This, as a consequence, might discourage some miners, temporarily, to continue mining, because their income might have dropped by a lot. It is reasonable to assume that the cost of production remains the same, but it's not. In the next difficulty epoch, difficulty will lower which will decrease the cost.
4795  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does Bitcoin have any real value? on: April 11, 2022, 04:40:42 PM
But the minimum value is not raised by demand. Its raised in the minimum effort put into it.
Sure, cost does affect the market value. All I'm saying is that the value of a product comes from the fact that it satisfies one's needs. The production of it does have a cost which is added in the price, but that's true until there's one who's willing to buy it. If nobody wants gold, no matter how expensive it is to mine it, the valuation won't be greater or equal with the cost.

Take oil barrels as an example. In 20th of April 2020, crude oil prices went negative. The cost was much greater than the market valuation, because the demand suddenly dropped.
4796  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Keeping coins on Wallets on: April 11, 2022, 04:28:52 PM
You've got your answers, I just want to add you my two cents regarding the way you'll make your purchase. I recently wrote a post where I discourage newbies to use centralized exchanges such as Binance, KuCoin, Coinbase etc. Do me a favor and read it.

You won't keep them on the exchange, I know, you've got perfect answers either way. However, there's no reason to hand out your personal information to such party neither.
4797  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 11, 2022, 04:20:05 PM
3:35: "But, there was also a concern about climate change". Yea, tell that to the bankers.
4798  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do not trust this devil woman, she wants Bitcoin dead on: April 11, 2022, 02:32:50 PM
In other words we may soon see the US government issuing a centralized shitcoin called something like cUSD where c stands for cryptocurrency.
I expect to see Bitcoin recognition if it ever happens. I can't look forward to using Bitcoin, knowing the torment I'm avoiding. Especially when cash, which is yet the most private way to transact, is replaced by such nonsense.

All the black economy will move into cryptos, lol.

Little do they know that centralized shitcoins are still shitcoins regardless of how much they praise the technology.
Also,
Quote from: Naval
Open source means each problem only has to be solved once.
4799  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does Bitcoin have any real value? on: April 11, 2022, 01:54:11 PM
Those Bitcoin mining costs are the non speculative, translated value.
No, the costs are the costs. The value comes from the fact that there's a demand. If there's no demand for gold, it doesn't matter how much it costs you to extract it from the ground: It's simply valueless.

However, in Bitcoin there's something different. The costs are somewhat connected with the valuation, because of the difficulty, which is a parameter that does not exist in any other asset. If the demand rises by a lot, it brings more competition into mining which makes it, in consequence, more expensive to mine 1 BTC. Oppositely if the demand drops by a lot.

The canon is the canon, though. If there's no demand, there's no market value, despite of the costs.
4800  Other / Archival / Re: Beginners & Help Encyclopedia [UPD: +Electrum Board] on: April 11, 2022, 12:43:02 PM
I'm bumping this. Also, Ratimov, could you please include one of my recent threads[1] to the encyclopedia? Thanks!

[1] Newbies: Don't use centralized exchanges!
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