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4781  Economy / Reputation / Re: @mrquackquack] High-class spamer. on: August 11, 2020, 01:15:34 AM
Well, it looks like he got some replies to his questions and it would appear that he's looking to make contact with people from around the world for whatever reason, and it's obvious he doesn't speak the languages in the sections which he's posting.  I wouldn't consider this to be spam, because he might have a legitimate purpose for asking the same question in a bunch of local board sections.  

Anyway, if the local board folks think he's spamming, let them report him.  Personally I wouldn't worry about this guy unless it starts to become a real problem.

And see the history of other posts;

Post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=2640843;sa=showPosts;start=20

I was wondering whether the post is worth reporting ...!
Meh.  Like I said, it looks as though he's trying to get some sort of project or trade or something going and wants input from people in different regions.  Who knows.  But his posts don't look all that spammy to me--but that's just my opinion.
4782  Economy / Economics / Re: Btc and gold can now be called "safe" on: August 10, 2020, 11:12:01 PM
But I've been closely monitoring gold/bitcoin prices during this pandemic, in case you didn't know, gold price surged above 2k per ounce for the first time ever last week and analysts think it can get to 4000 in a few years.
My question is: would those same analysts have predicted the same price for gold just a few months ago?  Do they think the world is going to be needing a safe haven asset like gold for years to come?  I'm extremely skeptical when it comes to people making predictions about precious metals, as I've read so many websites dedicated to hyping them--and all of the reasons they give for buying gold and silver remain the same regardless of anything going on in the world.

I've been watching the gold and silver market for years now as well.  I can't say I'm shocked that both have increased significantly recently, but I'm not sure gold (or silver) is going to double within a few years.

Bitcoin shouldn't be regarded as "safe" if you're speaking about the probability of losing money by investing in it.  It's never been a safe-haven asset and investors don't flock to it in times of uncertainty.  The only reason why both gold and bitcoin are rocketing upward at the same time is because of all the free money that's being handed out, combined with very low interest rates.  People are spending that money in the stock market, on bitcoin, and on precious metals.  I don't think anything is safe right now, and all of this cheap money is scaring the hell out of me.
4783  Economy / Reputation / Re: Eventually, 1xbit has launched its Signature campaign on: August 10, 2020, 09:39:56 PM
I noticed that there were a lot of members withdrawing their applications in the campaign thread.  Did I miss a thread in which someone threatened to tag campaign participants?  There could be no other reason for a bunch of people deciding not to participate, and I've never seen the first few pages of a campaign ANN thread look like 1xbit's does.

That being said, 1xbit is doing nothing to clear their name from the initial scam accusation, so I'm sure the tags will remain till that happens.
Man, I don't even remember what the deal is with 1xbit; I'll have to look at their feedback after posting this.  Anyway, not addressing multiple scam accusations is the tactic Yobit has taken for years, and it's not the right way to handle things if you're the business being accused of scamming.  

Edit:
Ah, I guess this is a bunch of old issues coming to the fore because of this thread.  I understand now, though I barely remember their name.
4784  Economy / Economics / Re: Anyone here Studying Econ ? on: August 10, 2020, 09:20:58 PM
I took a few upper-level economics courses in college, though it wasn't my major, nor was bitcoin even around until the very last course economics class I took.  The class was given a project to do but we weren't required to present the results to the rest of the class, and even if I had known about bitcoin at the time I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have picked it for my project.

Would I present something crypto-related if I were given a chance in an economics course now if I were a student?  Hell yes I would.  And if I were younger, I'd probably have a better knowledge of the technical aspects of bitcoin...but alas, I'm not and I'm learning things much more slowly these days.

I bet you that discussions centered around bitcoin (and cryptocurrency in general) are happening quite a bit on college campuses today.  At least I hope that's the case.  It's definitely a topic that the new generation is going to pick up and run with--and they've already got a head start on that, too.

4785  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Is it possible that somehow I will get criminals BTC with mixing? on: August 10, 2020, 07:40:13 PM
We may already have Bitcoin those could be linked to a criminal or scam address.
I have little doubt about that, nor am I really concerned about it personally.  Who knows what the person(s) did with the bitcoin before I ended up with it?  It's the same thing as cash.  I'm sure the $10 I spend at the convenience store has been used to buy drugs (or snort drugs, too) and probably a lot of other illegal things.  The only difference is that with bitcoin you can trace every transaction.  That doesn't mean that the history of the bitcoins you own should say anything about you. 

I don't know a lot about mixers, but I would think you'd have a good chance of getting "dirty" bitcoin commingled with your own funds.  I'm not sure about the demographic that uses mixing services, but if you're concerned about that issue I would avoid mixers--but it's going to be hard to keep all of your bitcoin "clean" unless you're a miner as other members have mentioned.
4786  Other / Meta / Re: Is this considered an off topic or low quality post? on: August 10, 2020, 05:42:27 PM
Google+ is an old timer and probably doesn't need to be reminded. He knows it's full but he still tries his luck. You don't need to remind them every now and then.
Not only that, but you could probably make 50 posts per week writing the kinds of posts OP wrote.  Members do what Google+ did in campaign threads all the time (at least they were doing it before I put the Services section on ignore, but I'm assuming things haven't changed much).  It's not worth your time and effort to respond to an application, even if the campaign is clearly closed, the member isn't qualified, etc.  They're probably not going to read what you write anyway.

OP, yours wasn't a low-quality or spam post, but it was probably reported by someone who didn't want the campaign thread to start having a bunch of posts that clutter the thread.  If a campaign manager is looking at his thread, I'm pretty sure all he wants to see are applications and/or relevant feedback to the campaign. 
4787  Economy / Economics / Re: Are people losing faith from centralized organizations? on: August 10, 2020, 05:00:43 PM
Bank reports saying, clients are just withdrawing their money, deposits are very low by comparing with withdrawal.
I don't blame them in the least.  People are scared right now, and I'm sure a lot of them aren't sure whether there's not going to be another banking crisis like there was in 2008.  If there hadn't been a quick solution in the form of massive bailouts back then, banks would have been failing all over and you'd be lucky if you could withdraw any funds from your bank.

In my country (the US), the situation isn't as dire as what OP is describing as far as I know.  Most people I see paying for things are still doing it with their phones and/or debit cards, so it's obvious they still have faith in the banking system.  Plus there's a coin shortage right now, and stores are asking customers to kindly not use cash or to have exact change.

People have been skeptical of those centralized organizations OP mentioned for a long time--that's not a new thing.  The level of skepticism and whether or not people hoard cash depends on the state of the economy and whether it looks like there might be a disaster on the horizon.  At present, we're kind of in the midst of a disaster (COVID-19 and joblessness), so I'm not surprised people are keeping their cash at home instead of in a bank.
4788  Economy / Reputation / Re: Reason for being here on: August 10, 2020, 12:30:38 AM
But try searching in Google the following keywords: "Vitamin D Coronavirus".

You would be amazed how important Vitamin D in prevention of the Coronavirus and other diseases as well.
They way you make it sound, vitamin D is a cure for COVID-19, which is is not.  Wearing a face mask prevents virus-carrying droplets from dispersing and making their way into another human being, so I wouldn't discount their importance--nor is it a question of one vs. the other.  There is research that shows vitamin D helps the immune system to function properly, but it isn't a miracle nutrient by any means.

I appreciate every single dollar I worked hard for, and seeing a company literally stealing funds from people in such a bad manner is more than just annoying me.

I want to protest on behalf of all the victims who genuinely should not see their funds seized, frozen, being manipulated, lied to etc. - FROM ANY BAD SITE whatsoever!
That's all well and good, but there isn't a hell of a lot you can do to prevent it from happening on this forum.  Even when there are big red warnings from DT members on scammers' trust pages, they still manage to find victims.  Certainly you should call out scams when you see them, but I wouldn't start crusading or anything like that, as it will get you nothing but frustration in the end.
4789  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: YOBIT ROBOTRADE SCAM: RoboTrade Bait Used For Scamming Users on: August 09, 2020, 10:09:08 PM
I got that e-mail from Yobit as well and didn't click on it until just now.  I was a bit taken aback by this image right next to the login button on Yobit's home screen:



I don't know exactly what they're offering there, but I seriously doubt it's $1700. 

And this Robotrade thing I don't fully understand--I did look at it on Yobit's site, and it just looks like you'd be placing a buy and sell order for a trading pair at the same time.  There doesn't seem to be any information as to how it's supposed to function, which doesn't surprise me with Yobit.  They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel these days.
4790  Economy / Economics / Re: Next what will happening After money printing on: August 09, 2020, 09:17:05 PM
OP, I get your points about rampant money printing, but I also saw your thread about Australia which seemed to have no evidence to back what you were saying.  You might want to include links when you start threads if you're looking to spark discussion on a particular subject.

If other countries around the world do start up their money printing presses, the global economy is going to be in some seriously deep shit.  Inflation will eventually skyrocket--we haven't seen that yet in the US, but it's just a matter of time.  Plus we've got all this stimulus and unemployment money being handed out, and someone has to pay for that eventually.  I wish I knew what the government's plan was for all of this, but they don't seem to be broadcasting any such signals to the citizenry.

And if we end up in a hyperinflation situation, forget about saving cash.  That'll just become worthless by the day.  But as far as bitcoin is concerned, I don't know if it would provide a solution or not should it come to that.  We've seen countries like Venezuela and Zimbabwe in hyperinflation mode, and they haven't increased their use of crypto to any great extent.  Anyway, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for an end to the pandemic.  That alone should help the economy significantly.
4791  Other / Meta / Re: Weekly earned merits (median) of top 100 merited users on: August 09, 2020, 07:50:56 PM
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I fell off one of these lists for a couple of months, and it made me feel a bit guilty--thanks for posting updated data, OP, and I'm happy I'm at least on the list this time.  I've been trying to be a manure spreader of merit lately and it looks as though my efforts have not been in vain.  Smiley

Edit:

Looks like I've been on this particular set of data for the past few weeks, so now I'm not sure which list I fell off of.  Maybe it was the newbie-meriting one. 
4792  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The BTC Times: A new Bitcoin News Site on: August 09, 2020, 07:22:35 PM
While it's all good and all that, while I think the people in charge will use this platform for good, I'm just ever so sliiiightly worried that Samson Mow and company is slowly but surely getting a bit too much authority in the Bitcoin space.
I don't know who Samson Mow is--that's the first time I've heard his name.  That probably goes to show you that I need to start paying attention to crypto news (lol).  But in any case, it doesn't sound like he's the top dog at this news org so I'd just wait and see what happens if I were you.

I don't read Cryptocurrency news websites anymore.I got tired of all the clickbait,fake news and infomercials.
I don't either, and for precisely the same reason.  In addition, I don't know anything about who's running these crypto news sites and they could very well be used for nefarious purposes, like pump and dump schemes and such.  It isn't as though any of them have a long track record or an extensive reputation for honesty and being unbiased.

The BTC Times does sound interesting, and I might give it a shot.  I'm not really interested in the personalities in the bitcoin world, and a lot of news sites tend to structure their stories around the big shots in bitcoin and the rest of the cyrpto world.  Hopefully that won't  be the case, and I also hope it doesn't turn into a bunch of click-baity nonsense if it doesn't get as much viewership as it was expecting.
4793  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [H] 0.017 btc [N] PayPal at preev 1:1 on: August 09, 2020, 07:11:22 PM
I'm currently looking to sell 0.02BTC at preev 1:1.  

Please PM me if you're interested, and don't post here if you're a newbie.  Thanks.

Edit:  Deal done with Philipma1957 (sorry, Legion13!).  Locking thread now.
4794  Economy / Reputation / Re: 🔥 Vile Chipmixer Bounty Abuse 🔥 Probably the Biggest Con Job on Bitcointalk on: August 09, 2020, 01:37:08 AM
Yeah, I lol'ed at this:

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Fake subscribers
Cheap bots to your group/channel.
•   Big amounts are available.
•   Fast cheat of subscribers.
•   Bots look absolutely the same as real users.
•   Arab, Russian, American, Chinese and bots of other countries are available.

I'm honestly completely ignorant as to why stuff like this is important, and I suppose that's a question for another thread, but I do understand that the service this member is providing is mainly to deceive people into believing a channel or account or whatever is way more active/important/popular than it really is.  

I don't know precisely what Vispilio is interested in getting from promotelega, but I see where suchmoon is coming from.  If you're using a service like this to trick people, you've lost the leg you were standing on as far as criticizing Chipmixer and/or its campaign participants.
4795  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Buy crypto using Ledger Live on: August 09, 2020, 01:15:07 AM
Arrrgh!  I knew I would be correct when I posted in this thread previously:

I haven't tried buying bitcoin through my Ledger, but I could almost guarantee that I'd be ineligible to do so because of where I live anyway.  I'd be interested to hear from people who've done it, though.

I finally decided to give it a shot, even though I wasn't really looking to buy any bitcoin--sort of like how I just had to try using that bitcoin ATM that I posted about.  And wouldn't you know, Coinify asked which state I live in (there was a pull-down menu of states) and then notified me that I'm ineligible to use their service. 

I don't know why this is, but I'm assuming it's the same reason why I can't use Binance anymore.  Wish I could figure out what prevents residents of my state from accessing these services.  I used to be able to buy bitcoin from Circle with no problem, and now it seems there's no way I can do it using exchanges.

Anyway, just wanted to share that experience.  Haven't heard much feedback about people using Coinify to buy crypto via Ledger Live.
4796  Economy / Reputation / Re: Why Hidden Agendas Against Sportsbet ? on: August 09, 2020, 12:00:01 AM
Well if gosha@e-coin is game-protect then all he wants is money from the alleged victims with ridiculous promises of legal action so he is nothing more than a leech trying to suck blood from an alleged victim by lining his own pocket but what are the real motives of the others?
That could well be the case, but I don't know about the rest of them, as I haven't been following the sportsbet drama too closely.  But who knows why other members jump in on any of these things?  It could be that they're just shitposters making posts to get paid (I haven't checked their signature spaces); it could be that they're trolls; it could be that they've got their own gripes against sportsbet....who knows?

Attack campaigns are nothing new on bitcointalk. All it takes is one emotional user getting their feelings hurt. With so many members willing to say and do anything to fling mud at those who they dislike, it’s really impossible to see the truth around here these days.
I'll agree with you on that one, but that's not to say that everyone who jumps in on one of those "attack campaigns" doesn't have a valid point, because I've seen instances of that.  What everyone has to remember is that there are a lot of trolls on this forum and a lot of alt accounts.  You never really know why someone is saying what they're saying or even who they really are sometimes.
4797  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: ATS Wallet is One of the Best Cryptocurrency Storage Wallets Available on: August 08, 2020, 11:17:56 PM
It's look likes custodial wallet isn't it?
That sure as hell sounds like what it is, sort of like Coinbase's "vault" feature (not sure if they still have that or not since I haven't used Coinbase in years) and Xapo for that matter. 

Claims to be a top 5 wallet despite no one having heard of it and only a handful of downloads.
Glad I'm not the only one who's never heard of this thing. 

And when you make a claim like this:
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It is one of the five largest storage wallets in the US
when it seems like a brand new wallet or an obscure one that hasn't gained any traction, that raises all sorts of red flags in my mind.

Claims FDIC insurance with no proof.
Claims 90% ROI per year with staking.
I didn't read the links OP provided, but both of those claims are ridiculous on the face of them.  FDIC isn't providing any insurance for cryptocurrency, nor is a 90% return for any staking coin reasonable.  Hopefully none of the greedy suckers fall victim to this chicanery.
4798  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Why do exchanges get away with faking trade volume? on: August 08, 2020, 05:31:30 PM
If a stock were to do this, their owners would go to jail.
Indeed they would, but I think it would be a lot harder to try to set up a fake stock brokerage these days than it would be for a crypto one.  Stock market investors tend to stick with the brokers with big names and long track records, and I don't think many of those investors would be willing to try out a new broker.  Also I think these fly-by-night crypto exchanges operate out of countries where there's little regulation, which is why they can get away with some of the shit they pull. 

It amazes me that exchanges like Yobit are still around, given some of the garbage coins they offer, some of which probably don't even exist.  Obviously no government regulator is paying attention to them, or they don't care.

And then other exchanges blatantly misreport their trading volume as much higher than it actually is. If a regulated forex platform would to do this, they would be heavily fined.
Again, I think this is a function of what country the exchange is operating out of.  It's also partly a problem of the websites that report that volume data, like CMC and coingecko.  Doesn't seem like there's a lot of fact checking going on.

Crazy that crypto is over ten years old and we're still kind of in the wild west days as far as these things go.  I don't think it's going to stay like this forever, but it sure as hell is interesting to see while it's happening.
4799  Economy / Economics / Re: 2020-2021 best year if You Want to become rich no skills needed on: August 08, 2020, 05:07:37 PM
Don't need skills just Invest in crypto stocks Gold and take Easy loans
OP, that's a bad strategy in general and has made a lot of people poorer instead of wealthier--depending on the interest rate of the loan, of course, and how well your investments perform. 

I wouldn't be fooled by gold's performance over the past couple of months.  Obviously some investors are fleeing to safe-haven assets like that, but I don't expect another 2011 situation to happen in the precious metals markets.  And on the other hand, money is obviously flowing into much riskier assets like bitcoin, and I'm a bit perplexed as to how all of this is happening.  I do have a guess, though:  it's all the cheap money that can be borrowed, plus all the money the government is handing out in the form of "stimulus" and unemployment benefits.  Obviously people are trying their luck investing in a lot of different things, which is driving up the prices of all of them.

That can't last forever, though.  This year might be a good one if you've got enough capital to sink into crypto, gold, or the stock market, but I have a feeling we might all start having to pay the piper come 2021 and beyond.
4800  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do scams harm Bitcoin's reputation in the mainstream world? on: August 08, 2020, 04:04:19 PM
One thing that I think of these days is that people are sort of used to cyber crime happening, because many have seen their own information fall into the wrong hands when corporations like Target and Sony(?) got hacked, and I'm sure there have been quite a number of other cases that I either can't recall or don't know about.  And all of that involved either information or money, so I don't think a lot of folks nowadays necessarily think of bitcoin as a scam or as an insecure payment method or anything like that.  They're more likely to associate it with other crimes like drugs and whatnot.

Yes, but mostly because people don't understand Bitcoin. To some it's an internet magic money and they already know that internet is full of scams.
That's true to some extent, but I don't know if the general public is even aware of the vast majority of crypto scams that are going on.  Members of bitcointalk are used to seeing them all over the place, but that's because we're reading about them here or on a crypto news site.  I don't think the mainstream media reports on crypto scams all that much, though someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.  In any case, I don't think there's much of a reputational damage issue we need to worry about when the scams keep happening--and we all know they will.
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