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4781  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin will never reach $20 again on: August 11, 2015, 02:09:41 PM

 Grin Grin Grin Ironically, it is true that bitcoin will never reach $20 again! Albeit for the opposite reason the OP intended!  Grin Grin Grin


Haha too true. We've all made bad predictions though. I remember mocking bears & saying we wouldn't go below 300 USD around January 2015. I ended up looking like an idiot. Hopefully things start to pick up soon because the current price is pretty depressing imo.


By december i think price will be around 600$, the financial crash of september is pretty predictable, alot of theories come out that support that.

If it hits then it will reach 600 or even more, who knows! But i`m confident that bitcoin is on the right path!
4782  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BURST] Burst | Efficient HDD Mining | New 1.2.3 Fork block 92000 on: August 11, 2015, 09:59:48 AM

It must be added there so somebody fill out that form please!
https://yobit.net/en/addcoin/

Can anybody please add it to Yobit, it only takes 2 minutes to fill out that form, and they will add it in 1-2 days.

C`mon guys, i really want to invest in BURST, but i dont have account in other exchanges right now.

I really don't understand why it is that hard to make an account on Trex, polo, or C-Cex?

Well its more confortable to trade in the exchange i use for half a year.

Why is it so hard to add it there, it takes only 2 minutes to fill the form. The only job is that you have to talk to them in e-mail and they will ask a few questions about the coin.

Since i have no clue about it, i thought somebody more experienced could talk to them.

Otherwise i would have done it. So please somebody add BURST to Yobit, thanks!
4783  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: August 11, 2015, 09:47:09 AM
Well you have...

Yea but c`mon we live in the 21 century, we transcended already our lack-of-technology based cultural/human needs.

In my country 60% of the farmland is left empty, because the government doesn't want to privatize. Instead of privatizing it, they just let it state property and not use it.


Clean Capitalism is the only tool that can save us. With an efficient stock market (not even bank loans are needed,or minimal loans, but certainly no central bank) and a free economy, you can get instant investments in farming and resolve the world hunger in like 5 years.

With massive subsidy, border controls, capital controls, and nasty money printing policies you only drive economy into the pitfall.

Socialists are the reason why the economy is so backwarded, everything is controlled and subsidized, even the crap job.


Only the government can run a bankrupt company for 10 years, the case in my country with the railways, a private company has to reform its business or face material losses.

The government just simply raises the taxes. It's inefficient, horrible, and non-productive.

So you guys cry about Greece, Puerto Rico, Chicago and Detroit being bankrupt? What if I tell you that:

Every state owned company is insolvent everywhere in the world, because the state is the only entity that can run a failed business perpetually.
4784  Other / Meta / Re: Am I the only 1 get this problem? on: August 11, 2015, 08:07:27 AM
i dont experience such problems. maybe try to contact your ISP

it's rather strange that you don't have these errors... It's an nginx 502-error, so it's server-side, so it should be the same for everybody...

Maybe you're just lucky Wink

Yep i`m getting that too ocasionally, like 2 times /week. Looks like the forum needs a better hosting provider, or bigger bandwidth, in the 3-4 years we`ve grown into a big community, and many people post here so we need a bigger host and bigger bandwidth.
4785  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bitcoin - interplanetary currency? on: August 11, 2015, 07:59:10 AM
This is another reason why Bitcoin is so great, can't imagine sending people on the moon any money via Natwest or Halifax, imagine the fee they would charge!:)

They would make you capture an asteroid that is full of diamonds and gold, and bring it to them. That would be the minimal fee, and even then it would take 10 days to process, because of KYC requirements, to make sure you are not an alien and try to launder drug money for some martian gangsters.

We all know they grow opium in the deserts of Mars, so we must be careful not to fund their operations...
4786  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bitcoin - interplanetary currency? on: August 11, 2015, 07:43:34 AM
Since Bitcoin is the "currency of the internet" and the internet can be accessed with a satellite, could Bitcoin become the first interplanetary currency (in the Solar System, at least)?

If we had people living on the moon, you could send them funds instantly regardless of their country of origin, account status, etc.

It could be done. I mean through radio waves you can transmit/broadcast the blocks where necessary.

If you put earth the center of the hub, then its very possible. However mining from Mars is not very likely since if the hub is on Earth, the chance of finding a block, on Mars is impossible since by the time you transmit the info back to Earth, you will have a disadvantage because of the distance and time it takes for Lightspeed to arrive to Earth.
4787  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Spirituality may be tied to easier cancer course on: August 11, 2015, 07:30:44 AM
Nothing new, i already suspected that spirituality is connected to the health of one person.

Although i`m not religious, but I occasionally meditate just to relieve stress.

It's obvious, the body is an organism , and cancer cells/ tumors, are a signal that the body is not in unity. If the tumor/defected cells go wild and start replicating madly is sort of the equivalent of a country where X peoply rebel against Y.

It's obvious that the whole organism is unhealthy when an internal conflict is occuring, whatever that organism may be. If there is internal peace (achieve that through any spiritual practice you want), then the health is perfect.

Of course you need to eat healthy too, you can be perfectly in unity, when you put poison in your body you will get sick. Many vegetables, balanced dose of meat, and lots of grain and seed type foods with limited carbohydrates just to give you your daily dose of energy, are the perfect way to live.


This is why i thought that religion is not necessarly a bad thing, but more like how it's used is the real question.


Use religion to achieve inner peace in your body, or to justify massive crusades and genocide? You decide!
4788  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: August 11, 2015, 06:46:07 AM
Indeed a human is just an animal with a slightly higher level of reasoning. If you offer the animal unlimited free, addictive food (e.g. sugar or MSG laden), it eats and eats until it dies of obesity. Would you like to McUpSize that.

Mancur Olsen's The Logic of Collective Action explains this well.

In Europe the McUpSize has been on humanism rather than America's fatfood craze ("you are a liberated woman in control of your own body and that is why you can fuck anything you want to including but limited to you another woman's tongue and never bear offspring"). Europeans see themselves as more sophisticated socialist pigs.

The only way I can envision to squelch this phenomenon is to make it economically impossible to form top-down enforced collectives larger than a local community, i.e. remove the capability to form a power vacuum of control that must be filled by power (with corruption being naturally the most powerful mode). Local community reputation (within our Dunbar limit) naturally contain abusive excesses ("you are a fat lardass", "you are a disgusting dyke" says your neighbor). All my work on making anonymous decentralized crypto, is about making it impossible for a collective to exist per Max Weber's canonical definition, "State is a monopoly on the use of force".

I don't believe in anarchistic anything. To believe that such a system would work you have to believe that individuals are inherently good. I believe that in general individuals gravitate towards being inherently bad

Individuals can't do that much bad against a society where citizens can carry guns.

Rather it is the collective organization of individuals that empowers the State to have the might to enact horrific megadeath.

Yea europeans (I am european but i`m exception) have a highly sensitive social belonging crave. I see this is almost every country I visited, and not just in old people, but in every age group. Europe is collectivist by genetics.

Americans are more freedom and individual oriented, after all they went in 1700-1800 there from various places of the world. In Europe there were already welfare states in the 1800s, and they left to America just because they had individual freedom and economic freedom. So in my view American culture is higher one, unfortunately, they are social engineering it into a pitfall with all these stupid things that come out.

Africans are more tribal oriented, could be leftist or not, but alteast they focus more on family and localism, so its also a better local community focus and hardly care about the big picture.

Asians are also collectivists, for i dont know what reason.

So it can be a genetic thing, but also a cultural one.

The only way I can envision to squelch this phenomenon is to make it economically impossible to form top-down enforced collectives larger than a local community, i.e. remove the capability to form a power vacuum of control that must be filled by power (with corruption being naturally the most powerful mode).

In my view you can never get rid of leftists, its just part of human nature. But what can you do is to decentralize them. Instead of a giant zombie collective controlling all our lives with rabid greed and envy, if you decentralize leftism into local community pockets, it can become much manageable, and more responsible.

Take for example a leftist village, if the peasants get very lazy, and they dont work on the crops, they die of hunger, but if they get outside welfare from the next village, they will survive, and they will be lazy aswell.

But if you dont give them help, and let the village do what they can to survive, then even though you will still find 2-3 lazy peasant, the rest of them will work, and because of social pressure, outcasting, and perhaps severe criticism, they will begin eventually to work.

See some people never grow up, 30-40-50-60 year old people acting like 5 year olds, they might need some "parents" who straighten them out.


So in my example above, if you create many leftist villages that manage themselves by social pressure and outcasting lazy peasants who dont work, then you can achieve a much reasonable society, than with global socialism, where I pay for people 3000 km away to eat and drink and watch TV all day from their lazy unemployed asses, and they don't even mail me a letter saying "Thanks bro"...

4789  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BURST] Burst | Efficient HDD Mining | New 1.2.3 Fork block 92000 on: August 10, 2015, 06:34:04 PM

It must be added there so somebody fill out that form please!
https://yobit.net/en/addcoin/

Can anybody please add it to Yobit, it only takes 2 minutes to fill out that form, and they will add it in 1-2 days.

C`mon guys, i really want to invest in BURST, but i dont have account in other exchanges right now.
4790  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: August 10, 2015, 06:23:16 PM
In addition to the masses using socialism to steal from the productive. You also have the financial elite 0.01% stealing from everyone via debasement of the fiat currency and the use of 0% interest loans to capture desirable income producing assets.

It is natural for members of the lower classes to argue for redistribution when they (correctly) see that they are being stolen from by powerful economic players and a system that favors existing capital over labor.

The desire for more socialism and more redistribution is a natural backlash to a fraudulent economic system. We live in a system designed to redistribute wealth away the masses. The subsequent demand for more socialism and redistribution is a sad but predictable response. 

Theft is not a universal human instinct but revenge is. The masses are not entirely stupid. They realize they are getting screwed over by the status quo. They just do not understand how or why so they reach for socialism as a form of justice.

It's more deeper than that, it's in the human DNA, when a caveman successfully hunted a mamooth, and his neighbor only hunted a boar, he felt anger and envy, so he decided to steal the pray from his fellow, because he felt entitled to it.

Theft is basically the manifestation of envy. And envy is one of the most destructive human characteristics there is.

Of course the poor people will envy rich, that would happen in any society, but instead of improving themselves and joining them, they alienate them, and feel hostility towards them, anger, and then they want to steal from them.

Of course the elite are not stupid people, to be a billionaire you just simply cannot have an IQ under 140, and the elite like to play divide & conquer.

Instead of them being the prey, they will just use the middle class as the forever pray to loot on from.


So the middle class will get looted by both angry poor people, and the rich people, using them as human shield to save their wealths.



Fiat based economics and fractional reserve facilitates a failure of fitness and enables centralization of capital at the expense of labor. This position of concentrated capital and economic power allows for the capture of government and regulatory bodies. This capture grants the ability to deter economic threats that would otherwise disperse and degrade sclerotic capital. The masses respond to their subsequent poverty by demanding more government aid and more redistribution which weakens potential opposition from the productive upper middle class and lower rungs of the wealthy. The net result is the destruction of political opposition and a strengthening of the tools available to cement oligarchic control.

The natural outcome appears to be significant suppression of economic growth, accelerating transition to oligarchic control, bankruptcy of the nation states, and forced political consolidation across national borders.

Keynesian economics, is the perfect economic theory for democracy. Democracy is a fundamentally flawed and rotten system, which is based on bribery of the masses/ or politicians, and on massive propaganda.

"The People" are selfish, and greedy, they all want free stuff now, and dont care about tomorrow's consequences!

You cannot give free stuff away, so this cleptocratic fiat printing press system needed to be introduced. Sure give them free stuff until the next election, and take it all away in 10-15 years when they wont remember it, with all their savings and assets aswell.
4791  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [Research] How and Where do you Spend your Bitcoins? [10,000 satoshi bounty] on: August 10, 2015, 06:06:51 PM
Ok all payments are sent

https://blockchain.info/tx/5f119bff32e58963e05c62bd0a94d0491f1064c5ab5302738fc6572a9ab8401e

just filled this . it was lot of fun for me  Grin

13Wy6MtBAqBydnh5TupB94J7SrM4orAMTc

Sorry no newbies.

Done answering your survey Smiley

I think you are a cheater, your response time was 18 seconds, which is oddly too little, every other response took over 1 minute for the other responders, yet you completed it in 18 seconds.



So let's see page loads in 3 seconds, and you need like 5-10 seconds to read each question, and about 10 seconds to think a quality answer, so how come you completed it in 18 seconds.

Either you are trying to cheat, or your response was a very very low quality response and you only want the 10,000 satoshi.

Please explain.

4792  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [Research] How and Where do you Spend your Bitcoins? [10,000 satoshi bounty] on: August 10, 2015, 11:40:18 AM
Filled out the survey.

You can keep the bounty but try to provide us all a summary of your research results when you are finished. Post them here. Give us all something in return for our time...our thoughts...our expertise. 10,000 satoshi only helps a few. Sharing your results helps us all.

Good luck with your research!

I`ll consider it, but dont forget, its not like you did this for free, you will get the reward by making the bitcoin economy stronger by participating in this survey. As i outlined in post 1, this information can help me boost the bitcoin economy by generating alot of economic activity and steering people where the demand is.

Or in short, I`ll make the bitcoin price rise. So instead of like a few satoshis, if i can make the bitcoin price rise by 3-4$ then if you hold like 1000BTC, then its obviously beneficial to you.

I filled it out but didn't take a screenshot 😖

Some of the things I have spent large amounts on but not weekly
Only one time, like investments
And some things, like physical goods I have rarely purchased. Like restaurants. I would more often but there just aren't any near me
Anyways
Good luck
(You can tell from my comments here that I have obviously completed the survey)
1DrhVEjmWgVk5ZDeASSVSe1dRWpV8rizmh
just filled...
my address is 3MzjyCy55mFxZxDCpH3S9qF7SC4xxBAMT8

Payment sent, thanks for participation in the research!
4793  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: Coinurl.com moderators are very lazy on: August 10, 2015, 07:41:05 AM
I'm surprised to see that people still use Coinurl. That was supposed to be dead 2 years ago.
I thought this site already gone/become scam few years ago
Surprising to see this site still running

I heard few people never got paid in this site Roll Eyes
CoinURL started going downhill when it was sold a year or two back. There are other networks which provide a similar and better service, use those.

Well the site is still working, they still accept deposits, and they still put out ads (although half of the traffic is fake, but you get compensated for lost traffic so i guess its ok).

If the site owner is so lazy that he cant work on it, why can't they just sell it? Why is he holding on to a sinking boat, where with this pace he will lose all his customers soon.

If he cant afford a moderator team, and is too lazy to moderate on his own, then just sell the site. It would be the best option.


I think the concept is great, and i haven't seen another interstitial bitcoin advertiser, which bitcoin desperately needs, but the management is crap.
4794  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [Research] How and Where do you Spend your Bitcoins? [10,000 satoshi bounty] on: August 10, 2015, 07:08:44 AM


Address: 1PUXDiGXQygTs32iB9YwfnUadQhpuWGnq9

I found interesting terms I did not know in your survey, thanks Smiley!

Sure, thats cool.

here is the link of the webpage when I completed the survey
I was not able to take a snap shot of the survey it self, but I was able to save the "thanks for completing the survey page, please check the link
https://archive.is/H2QIC
here is my
BTC address 16nafRzMrzmt7keav9ahKBCd9c2n2a2CVt
thank you in advance


Alright, i see the timestamp when you completed it and its ok. So if somebody tries to cheat me, its easy to detect Smiley


Payments sent:
https://blockchain.info/tx/1af0b8a5b1f564a16e580657b327e90b26d2573ad812a1bdf81e59fd5d2a883c

This is a list of what and where i can spend my bitcoins


Computer Electronics
- Acer

...

Wow cool thats an interesting list i`ll save that, i got an Acer laptop and Samsung phone, never knew that they accept bitcoin.

Its so good that more and more vendors start accepting it.
4795  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: METAL MUSIC COIN V3 - A COIN FOR THE UNDERGROUND METAL MUSIC SCENE on: August 10, 2015, 04:15:57 AM

Cool, keep working hard dev, maybe reskin the client and add new features, that could help this coin go further, i`m really holding strong to them Cheesy

hey yup sure i was thinking about that.

So whats up, i`m still holding my coins, how's the work going? Cheesy
4796  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you like Pizza? on: August 10, 2015, 04:13:52 AM
Damn op that looks really good. I could see some pineapple on that though just to throw in a bit of sweet Wink

Depends on your taste, I could eat pineaples too on it, but when its full with meat and juicy sauce, then I like it to remain salty.
4797  Other / Off-topic / Re: Let's talk about how hot Asian girls are. [NSFW] on: August 10, 2015, 04:12:05 AM



very beautiful

Loose the glasses baby, i never like this wooden glasses trendy crap. They look much better with sunglasses perhaps Smiley
4798  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: August 10, 2015, 04:07:19 AM
That is very poor counterargument, even from you, i was illustrating that every value is relative.

You said that bitcoin is prone to huge bubbles because of dollar manipulation, but you fail to realize that gold is exactly the same.

WTF, where did I say that? Are you sure that you are not confusing me with someone else? I never meant to say (neither did I actually say anything of the kind) that bitcoin is prone to bubbles because of dollar manipulation. I can't even grasp what you're trying to convey by this (that is, bitcoin dollar manipulation, or dollar manipulation of bitcoin, you name it)...

My post was about Bitcoin, not gold, but nevertheless, I guess you are extremely wrong (whatever you may mean)

Quote
Financial assets (that is those which can be "settled" in fiat) are bubble-prone by definition.

You said this, which is obvious , that by manipulating the dollar supply you can manipulate bitcoins price too. But that is true for gold too.

Not to say the real manipulation of gold, the gold certificates, gold is deliberately held low, so that a few people can hoard, and double their money when it rises.

But still a 100% ROI is a poor investment, compared to bitcoin when it really hits on the streets, it can make 100000% ROI.

"the demand is falling (long term, with minor short term hoarding by "preppers")"

Well thats a load of crap  Roll Eyes

Im sure "preppers" probably account for such a small % of gold sales its insignificant.

China, Russia and India are buying gold as quickly as they can accumulate it

Ok but even if gold gets to 6000$ which many people forecast ,its not a good ROI, while bitcoin reaching 6000$ would be a much higher ROI %, and its more probable due to smaller market cap.

Gold will obviously don't reach 100,000$ or higher, because it already has a huge market cap, if if it does, then you bet the USD is under hyperinflation, at which 1 BTC will be likely to be 1 trillion $.


4799  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [Research] How and Where do you Spend your Bitcoins? [10,000 satoshi bounty] on: August 09, 2015, 07:17:49 PM
i will do it later as i will have to go soon and i dont have enough time for it but i bookmarked this page and i will surely return and recommend it to my friend

Wow that was a fast response, thanks alot, you can't even imagine how useful this research will be for bitcoin Smiley
4800  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: August 09, 2015, 07:15:33 PM
So as the value now will go up, the price will follow. I think we will never see bitcoin below 200$, i think its very foolish to think that the next price increase will be a bubble, because now we got strong economic support for bitcoin, not only forum shills.

Financial assets (that is those which can be "settled" in fiat) are bubble-prone by definition. Bitcoin pretending to be money and having nothing behind it but trust is the embodiment of a bubble vehicle. So the next price spike can be nothing more but an attempt at...

An attempt at framing another bubble

Well sorry that nobody told you this but we live in a relativistic universe, nothing has value by it's own.

Bitcoin has value compared to fiat, just as gold has value compared to fiat, just as bitcoin has value compared to gold.

The valuation mechanism is like a giant scale, on 1 plate you got the instrument,  and on the other you got the basket of the other similar intruments you compare to.

Bitcoin is just as valid as a financial instrument as gold. Of course bitcoin is better than gold overall, while gold has some pros as contras, bitcoin too, but overall bitcoin is just way better than gold.

I already explained it why, a few pages ago.

You are talking your usual BS (well, prolixities and verbiage), which is not even remotely related to the point I made, or to your post that I answered to...

This still doesn't change a thing about Bitcoin being a perfect bubble-maker

That is very poor counterargument, even from you, i was illustrating that every value is relative.

You said that bitcoin is prone to huge bubbles because of dollar manipulation, but you fail to realize that gold is exactly the same.


I mean how you measure gold's value if not compared to something else. My post makes perfect sense, you can have a ton of gold but if you have nothing else to compare it too then it's value is 0.

If you have people who are willing to give a sportscar for a goldbar, then thats another story.


In the end it all comes down to supply & demand. And while gold supply is certainly not fixed, the demand is falling (long term, with minor short term hoarding by "preppers"). Bitcoin has a fixed supply, and it's demand is growing in long term.


Idk but i choose Bitcoin in any case!
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