Your right it is simple your digging really deep to make a point that can't be made. It's obvious it's not official no one is denying that. Well there is the pesky First Sovereign Currency claim in this very thread title. And it will be the first sovereign currency if it's adopted. So would AuroraCoin, AphroditeCoin, BitLiu, or any of the other similar coins that probably exist by now. If it is adopted, it will be official. If it is adopted, it will a sovereign currency. Right now it isn't. Are you a control freak? A racist? A fed? A satanist? Way to go attacking the speaker rather than the speech. Your not going to change the mind of anyone that uses critical thinking. Logic would dictate this is legitimately a road map to create a official currency for the sovereign tribes of the Lakota Nation. I agree that is might work out that way. As I have already said, I don't think Payu is a scammer, I think he legitimately hopes this will help the Native Americans. As I have also said, at the moment many untruths are being told about the coin, one of which is right in the title of this thread. [By contrast, I think most of the other coins I mentioned are just outright scams.] |
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hmmm.. ok that looks right what u said .. so why the change ?? before i could see all the coins we potentially mine whether i had some those coins or not ?? now i only see the coins i have mined and not converted ??
My guess would be because most people using the pool have no interest whatsoever in what coins are actually being mined, just how much BTC they make as a result. |
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my dashboard is only showing the following coins atm:
Bitcoin (BTC)
Anoncoin (ANC)
Leafcoin (LEAF)
Litecoin (LTC)
Mooncoin (MOON)
NobleCoin (NOBL)
Smartcoin (SMC)
while atm of this post we are mining doge ??
Excludes altcoins with no balance. I would guess it just means that you don't have any DOGE that hasn't already been converted for BTC. Either that or the pool has only just started on DOGE, and you don't have any coins earned yet. |
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Your right it is simple your digging really deep to make a point that can't be made. It's obvious it's not official no one is denying that. Well there is the pesky First Sovereign Currency claim in this very thread title. |
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The president just is not aware of it being adopted by the Tribal elders. This can be a bit complicated since the leadership involved here is two separate bodies. The elders and the "Government". I posted something a bit earlier about all of this if you look back.
Tribal Elders being those listed here?: http://www.oglalalakotanation.org/oln/-Tribal_Council.htmlCan you find a statement from them that they have adopted MazaCoin as a currency? Like I said you are either ignoring what I'm saying or not understanding it. So you and your fellow scam believers have their opinions and we have ours. As someone else stated what's the point? Your beating a dead horse over an article written by some guy that doesn't have the greatest track record of being traditional and believing in Native culture. Over a man that has spent many years defending and helping Native Americans and their cultures. To me their is no argument to be had as the facts are clear as day. Egotistical ex-con, or selfless Native activist. Track records speak for themselves.. So you are either completely illogical, completely moronic, or purposefully trying to throw a monkey wrench in Maza coin. Either way I'm not going to argue with you anymore. It is pretty simple. You say it has been adopted by tribal elders. I'm asking what evidence there is that this is true? |
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Honestly, who cares about Devcoin? Unless, you're cloud mining with cex.io, I don't even understand why anyone would even want to mine this coin.
Good luck though, If you can ever make a profit.
As you can see from it's hash rate and rising diff this coin is very alive and people want it to be alive... Hash rate is rising due to merge mining with Bitcoin. People doing the merged mining have no interest in Devcoin, so dump it as soon as they can, so the price goes down. |
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You are either ignoring, or completely missing my point. Regardless of his bio he has a white man name and uses his white man name. He is the voice of Government but by no means the voice of the Lakota nation. I don't know anything about his history but that's just my Opinion. I also thoroughly enjoy how you ignored everything else and just jumped to the one thing you thought you could best disprove. Classic Orwellian tactic!!  Sorry to tell you your logic is unsound in this situation and as has been brought up many times why the need to try and convince us it's a scam? WHy are you spending so much time and effort on it? Forgive me if I don't believe your concerned for us. I'm not sure what your point was, except that you are judging someone purely on their name. I don't think Payu is a scammer. I think he honestly hopes this coin will help Native Americans. I think those around him are scammers. I think (and it is clear to anyone) that a variety of false claims have been made about this coin. |
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The president just is not aware of it being adopted by the Tribal elders. This can be a bit complicated since the leadership involved here is two separate bodies. The elders and the "Government". I posted something a bit earlier about all of this if you look back.
Tribal Elders being those listed here?: http://www.oglalalakotanation.org/oln/-Tribal_Council.htmlCan you find a statement from them that they have adopted MazaCoin as a currency? |
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its not clear if u read pls tell me why council and president suprised? Because someone has announced that their tribe has adopted a new official currency, and they know nothing about it. |
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No need to get snippy. You are right, reading my post back it was rude, and I apologise. |
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Does BRYAN V. BREWER sound like a traditional Native American Name to you? http://docs.house.gov/meetings/AP/AP06/20130424/100521/HMTG-113-AP06-Bio-BrewerB-20130424.pdfBryan V. Brewer -- Bio
Chairman Bryan V. Brewer is from Pine Ridge, South Dakota on the Pine Ridge Indian
Reservation. He is an enrolled member of the Oglala Sioux Tribe. Presently, he is a Lakota
Culture teacher at Pine Ridge High School and is in his 26th year there. During his years at Pine
Ridge High School he has served in many capacities. He has been a teacher, coach, principal,
athletic director and Dean of Students. He also lived and coached in Rocky Boy, Montana where
his team, the Rocky Boy Northern Stars, played in the state basketball tournament .
Currently, and for the past 30 years, he has been the director of the Lakota Nation Invitational. He
was the original founder of the LNI and has been the driving force in overseeing the growth of
this huge event. The Lakota Nation Invitational was featured in Sports Illustrated magazine in
2006.
The LNI is one of the most prestigious and eagerly anticipated events in South Dakota. It is a
mixture of athletics, academics and cultural activities. The LNI will celebrate its 32nd anniversary
in December of 2008. It features some of the best teams in South Dakota and without a doubt the
best that basketball has to offer. In addition, students are able to participate in wrestling,
handgames, Knowledge Bowl, Language Bowl and art. The LNI awards 16 scholarships and 16
public service awards.
Bryan is a member of the Board of Directors for the South Dakota High School Activities
Association. He is the first ever Native American to hold a position on the board. During his term
on the board, he has brought to light many of the issues that plague Native American students in
this state. As a result of his commitment to bringing about positive change, a new awareness and
perspective into the rich culture of South Dakota’s Native Americans has been brought to the
forefront. Racism issues are now open for discussion and there have been some positive changes
for South Dakota’s Native American athletes.
Bryan is a Vietnam veteran, having served two tours of duty there as a member of the United
States Navy. He is a traditional dancer sun dancer and craftsman. He attended Black Hills State
University and graduated from there with a degree in secondary education.
During his spare time Bryan likes to watch sports events and attend pow wows. The dance regalia
that Bryan wears was designed and constructed by him.
Bryan has worked tirelessly and remains committed to improving conditions for native youth. He
continues to provide positive learning experiences for area students and a realization that we are
all related. He stresses strongly the idea of reconciliation among all people. |
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How do you know ? may I ask... or ar you just repeating "facts"that you have heard?
I think Russell Means would have had something to say about the "two tribe" as you call it, situation being just spin.... but then I am sure you know already all about that.
Until there is further clarification you are as in the dark a anyone else ........... admit it!
I've enumerated the 7 facts I'm claiming below. Which do you dispute? If none, then you must agree that the claim that MazaCoin is working with a different Ogala govenment than that recognised by the government is false? [1] The MazaCoin site ( http://www.mazacoin.org/) has a link to the Traditional Lakota Nation ( http://www.oglalalakotanation.org/oln/Home.html). Go to that webpage, click Government, click Executive Committee. [2]You will see that the President is Bryan Brewer, [3]the same one who has publicly said that the tribe has not adopted MazaCoin as an official currency. Go to the South Dakota Department of Tribal Relations page for the Ogala: http://www.sdtribalrelations.com/oglala.aspx[4]Scroll down to Current President. You will see that is it Bryan Brewer. [5]Check the 'View the Oglala Sioux Tribe's website' link. You will see it takes you to the same ogalalakotanation.org page. [6]The entity that MazaCoin say that they are working with is the same entity listed on the government web page as being the tribal government, and [7]that entity has denied adopting MazaCoin as an official currency. |
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CLAIM #1: MazaCoin was never an official currency and that was a lie.
The Reality: This is actually no fault of anyone's in the crypto community, as we couldn't have easily been aware of the current state of tribal government. Here's what this boils down to: there are two tribal governments. One is a traditional Indian construct, based on how they've governed themselves tribally for generations. The other is a construct sanctioned by the US Federal Government, which operates more like a "normal" municipal government elsewhere in the US. The federally sanctioned government, is of course, the dominant authority and is also tied to government subsidies and funding. Here's the important bit: the traditional Oglala Lakota government has fully embraced this idea and accepted MazaCoin.
My Opinion: You could easily say that, infact, MazaCoin's claim of being "official" was exaggerated - and you'd have good reason to do so. However, think carefully - the goal of this currency is to shake off dependence on dollars, federal subsidiaries, and establish a new sovereign currency. Why would the federally sanctioned machine that operates on dollars and subsidiaries approve its own downfall? It wouldn't. MazaCoin is the official currency of the sovereign free state of the Oglala Lakota. Part of the goal of MZC is to help make that state be recognized by the Federal government. This is also a lie, based I think on misinformation spread by AnonymousPirate that there was some difference between the Ogala Sioux and the Ogala Lakota. There isn't. The MazaCoin site ( http://www.mazacoin.org/) has a link to the Traditional Lakota Nation ( http://www.oglalalakotanation.org/oln/Home.html). Go to that webpage, click Government, click Executive Committee. You will see that the President is Bryan Brewer, the same one who has publicly said that the tribe has not adopted MazaCoin as an official currency. Go to the South Dakota Department of Tribal Relations page for the Ogala: http://www.sdtribalrelations.com/oglala.aspxScroll down to Current President. You will see that is it Bryan Brewer. Check the 'View the Oglala Sioux Tribe's website' link. You will see it takes you to the same ogalalakotanation.org page. The entity that MazaCoin say that they are working with is the same entity listed on the government web page as being the tribal government, and that entity has denied adopting MazaCoin as an official currency. That is just repeating what Payu himself told people in IRC. I expect further clarification will come, I have actually spent some time today reading about the Wounded Knee standoff in 1973, and that also was largely due to this conflict between the federally sanctioned government, and the traditional chiefs and their followers. If you are going to make a post explaining 'your thoughts' about MazaCoin, perhaps you should actually have some thoughts of your own, not just repeat what someone else has said, without checking it? This two-tribes argument is spin, and only came up after someone interviewed the tribal leader, and exposed the 'official currency' claim to be false. |
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CLAIM #1: MazaCoin was never an official currency and that was a lie.
The Reality: This is actually no fault of anyone's in the crypto community, as we couldn't have easily been aware of the current state of tribal government. Here's what this boils down to: there are two tribal governments. One is a traditional Indian construct, based on how they've governed themselves tribally for generations. The other is a construct sanctioned by the US Federal Government, which operates more like a "normal" municipal government elsewhere in the US. The federally sanctioned government, is of course, the dominant authority and is also tied to government subsidies and funding. Here's the important bit: the traditional Oglala Lakota government has fully embraced this idea and accepted MazaCoin.
My Opinion: You could easily say that, infact, MazaCoin's claim of being "official" was exaggerated - and you'd have good reason to do so. However, think carefully - the goal of this currency is to shake off dependence on dollars, federal subsidiaries, and establish a new sovereign currency. Why would the federally sanctioned machine that operates on dollars and subsidiaries approve its own downfall? It wouldn't. MazaCoin is the official currency of the sovereign free state of the Oglala Lakota. Part of the goal of MZC is to help make that state be recognized by the Federal government. This is also a lie, based I think on misinformation spread by AnonymousPirate that there was some difference between the Ogala Sioux and the Ogala Lakota. There isn't. The MazaCoin site ( http://www.mazacoin.org/) has a link to the Traditional Lakota Nation ( http://www.oglalalakotanation.org/oln/Home.html). Go to that webpage, click Government, click Executive Committee. You will see that the President is Bryan Brewer, the same one who has publicly said that the tribe has not adopted MazaCoin as an official currency. Go to the South Dakota Department of Tribal Relations page for the Ogala: http://www.sdtribalrelations.com/oglala.aspxScroll down to Current President. You will see that is it Bryan Brewer. Check the 'View the Oglala Sioux Tribe's website' link. You will see it takes you to the same ogalalakotanation.org page. The entity that MazaCoin say that they are working with is the same entity listed on the government web page as being the tribal government, and that entity has denied adopting MazaCoin as an official currency. |
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Evolution in action. A system of 'random' block rewards which can be perfectly predicted is ripe to be gamed, and it was. |
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How can fanboys defend this? Also notice the clear lie "MZC it's unique value is it's place in history as the first ever crypto currency for a Sovereign tribal state." in the text. Payu lied knowingly in several places including on camera. How can his fanboys says he didn't make such claims? I actually think he has been pretty careful here not to actually lie. It is the 'first crypto currency (created) for(, but not yet adopted by,) a Sovereign (,for some definition of that word,) tribal state'. |
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because maybe pool owners corrected their settings? Problem with current sgminer is that is spams stratum server with lots of shares - If I change settings to accept those shares you will see that from one AMD280 card you have like 100MHash which is of course wrong. Few months ago there was the same problem with quark cpu miner - someone "corrected" miner source code which also spammed stratum with incorrect shares and if pool was not set up correctly that guy had huge hashrates there however almost never finding blocks. Actually there are two guys who may help here as well (I finished my C++ programming 20 years ago  ) - murraypaul who actually discovered the problem with "corrected" Quark miner and also reorder who fixed similar problem with his cgminer implementation for Skeincoin. I will send them PMs to look at this thread... feeleep EDIT: Just looked at supernova pool and someone pointed 350 (now) 550 MHash there (1/3 of the network more or less) but still did not find a block - you guys still think it is valid? Pool and miner should agree on diff1 target, or it will not work because the target is sent in compact format in stratum. Ideally, but not necessarily, it should also match the wallet diff1 to prevent confusion. However, sgminer may not be consistent in how it calculates this (or so it seems): it does not ajust truediffone for modified diffone here: https://github.com/prettyhatemachine/sph-sgminer/blob/master/sgminer.c#L2967Please compare it with cgminer which has an adjustment (diff1 is 0x0000FFFF for scrypt): https://github.com/Kalroth/cgminer-3.7.2-kalroth/blob/master/cgminer.c#L3306Yes, I agree, this matches the earlier problem with the Quark miner that feeleep mentions above. Scrypt difficulty needs to be scaled by 65535, if this is not done then you will be submitting shares below the actual difficulty target. If the pool code has a similar bug, it will accept the shares and credit you with the work, but the shares have no chance of solving a block, so you will be taking an unfair portion of any pool reward for blocks found, compared to miners that only submit correctly scaled shares. In short, the new miner may report very impressive hash rates, but these are spurious, and do not reflect actual useful work. |
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P.S. Iceland has made Auroracoin an official "currency", and accepts BTC as a currency.
Really? You have any evidence for that? |
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apofis,
Does your sharerate on the p2pool website reflect the sharerate in your miner, or is it much lower?
I had some discussions with Neisklar last year about this, and the conclusion was that the quark (and so SRC) p2pool implementation reports back to the miner acceptance of lower difficultly shares that it should, but that those shares are not actually counted, so your p2pool reported sharerate should be the 'real' sharerate, and lower than your miner reports.
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