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481  Economy / Economics / Re: Evergrande situation on: October 22, 2021, 03:49:45 PM
China's economic activities and inevitably casts a shadow over the world economy evergrande overcomes its crisis, the event will also break the cycle of becoming america's financial and strategic rival on the path to becoming china's second largest economy in the world. Prices can have a negative impact on consumer spending and hurt the economy they added that in the short term, chinese policymakers have the means to reduce the impact of severe damage on the economy.

Their economic condition is definitely affected by the evergrande case, even if it does not rule out the possibility of dragging other countries because we understand how the bilateral relations that China has built with many countries from an economic point of view.  On the other hand, the US economy which was also sluggish until the publication of the Tappering off policy showed everyone that the world economy was not doing well at the moment.
482  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Robot Trading, Menjanjikan Profit, Benarkah? on: October 22, 2021, 02:23:56 PM
Kemarin sepupu saya pamer di statusnya bahwa keuntungan yang diraihnya sangat besar. WD puluhan juta sehari, hasil dari trading dengan Mark AI. Saya yang tertutup kepada siapapun bahwa saya sedikit paham tentang crypto merasa sangat aneh dengan status yang di sharenya. Awalnya saya tertarik ingin mempelajarinya juga, dan terdasar lagi bahwa ga akan ada yang namanya profit instant tanpa pernah merugi apalagi high return maka sudah pasti high risk. Eh, setelah rame kasus sunton penipuan. Mark AI juga terlibat kasus yang sama bahkan sebelum saya mempelajarinya. Apakah itu juga termasuk bot trading yg OP maksud?
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484  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest on: October 21, 2021, 04:14:40 PM
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You aren't unlucky, win percentage has been changed. Today I have used all of my WOF spins (285 spins) and received 5 golden tickets from it. I won some BTC, lottery and RP too. However, I'm happy to have 5 golden tickets for the new lambo round.



When you already have hundreds of WoF spins while I just redeemed the rewards I got for 1 WoF spin.  I didn't expect much to win big but it looks like luck will tell otherwise.  Hopefully the spins I have hold great prizes.  Even though dreaming is much easier than accepting reality.  Lol.
485  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: October 21, 2021, 05:07:48 AM
Bisa jadi karena dua-duanya. Yang jelas market saat ini dalam kondisi bagus, tidak ada FUDs yang berarti, umumnya yang kita dengan berita positif saja tentang Bitcoin dan market crypto. Whales nya mungkin udah kenyang nyerok nya, makanya sekarang tinggal nyebar good news. Saya kira memang sudah saat nya market bergerak naik, toh ini sudah mau akhir Oktober.  Grin

Bener gan, Sentimen Bullish lagi menguat. Yah meskipun market terlihat adem ayem (tidak bergejolak seperti biasanya) tapi trend yang seperti ini malah bagus menurutku, naik pelan tapi pasti. Jadi semisalpun terjadi koreksi, efeknya tidak akan terlalu dalam (tidak sampai terjadi decline).

Ya saya juga baru melihat interview bagaimana para manajer investasi di AS yakin bahwa Bitcoin sebagai salah satu hedging mereka. Walaupun saya tidak mentracking dengan detail track record manajer investasi tsb, apakah ucapan nya pure mendukung Bitcoin atau hanya bentuk agar harga naik dengan cepat dan mereka mengambil keuntungan diatasnya.

Salah satu manajer investasi tersebut yaitu Paul Tudor Jones didalam interview CNBC yang mengambil tema "Crypto sedang mengalahkan Emas dan menjadi alat hedging yang lebih baik". Hal utama yang saya kutip dari penjelasannya, bahwa masalah terbesar yang dihadapi oleh pemerintah dan investor saat ini adalah inflasi dan ini bukan inflasi yang sementara.

Banyak memang sentiment yang menyebabkan harga Bitcoin kemarin menguat. Inflasi, persetujuan SEC pada ETF, signal dari putin. Jika kedepannya tidak ada Fud berarti, 100k USD mudah untuk diraih.
486  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: El Salvador has become the first country to make #Bitcoin legal tender! 🇸🇻 on: October 20, 2021, 05:37:54 PM
The President of El Salvador, Nayib Bukele, announced that the low-cost airline Volaris El Salvador will accept payment for tickets in bitcoins, this happened a month after the authorities of El Salvador issued a local branch of the low-cost airline Volaris a work permit in the country.

President El Salvador's seriousness in legalizing Bitcoin and expanding its application in society to the field of air transportation must be appreciated.  Because honestly, he's the only one who doesn't seem to care about the political interests of the Bitcoin ban.  Today Bitcoin has rebounded and reached its new ATH.  The most impactful right now may be the people of El Salvador who already own Bitcoin because they will feel the benefits of owning BTC after this.
487  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: October 20, 2021, 03:04:45 PM
BTC Sudah memasuki angka 64.300 di Binance, sudah semakin dekat dengan ATH sebelumnya, kayanya sih ini resisten yang tidak begitu kuat karena saat menyentuh ATH, tidak ada retest sama sekali. Mungkin kalau hari ini masih belum bisa menyentuh ATH terakhir, koreksi pun tidak akan begitu dalam, mungkin akan retest di 62K lalu mencoba untuk ke ATH terakhir.

Bisa alot juga sih gan soalnya kondisi market sudah dalam fase overbought, tapi kemungkinan untuk jebol sih lebih besar, pasalnya momen ini adalah momen (New ATH) yang ditunggu oleh mayoritas pelaku pasar jadi potensi Bullish sangat besar dan kemungkinan juga bisa memicu Fomo.

Saat ini, harga Bitcoin telah sampai di 66K. Gelombang fomo juga akan mengikuti momentum ini. Semua yang pernah nyangkut mungkin telah menunggu momentum ini. Apakah pergerakan harga saat ini hanya dikarenakan signal dari Presiden Putin atau memang pasar saat ini sudah merasa yakin solusi inflasi saat ini hanya Bitcoin? Karena jika melihat pasar saham saat ini, mereka cukup biasa saja belum mencapai ATH nya.
488  Economy / Gambling / Re: Rollbit.com | Crypto's Most Rewarding Casino 👑 on: October 19, 2021, 03:19:53 PM
That guy is totally whaling with those cheap ones and looks like he's into the hype or might be just a bored gambler trying to maximize the utility it brings or a genius one reading the roadmap. Who knows? Probably the best thing about owning the rollbot is that if the marketplace opens they'll earn as well for every sales generated and owning that many is like having some passive income.

Apart from being a whale, he is also an art collector who appreciates Rollbot being sold publicly.  I suspect he as a collector will use his NFT as his investment in the future and speculate again when the time is right.  If we average 11k$ x 72 NFT then this is a huge value and Rollbit has been quite successful with the high interest of collectors collecting their Rollbots.
489  Economy / Gambling / Re: Rollbit.com | Crypto's Most Rewarding Casino 👑 on: October 18, 2021, 04:03:58 PM

There's still risk but it did turn out to be good which it was actually an easy money or profits for those who had able to buy.Its just a waste that i had missed this one too.

If you say there is still a risk, can you explain what kind of risk?  because I read their offer is very attractive and guaranteed post 30 days, they can resell to Rollbit.com at the original purchase price.  I think this is very fair to NFT buyers because as bad as they can get, it's just 30 days waiting for them to resell and receive the money they previously spent.  And nowadays, Rollbit is one step ahead of other gambling sites.
490  Economy / Economics / Re: MicroStrategy Buys $250M in Bitcoin, Calling the Crypto ‘Superior to Cash’ on: October 18, 2021, 02:53:19 PM

I will concede that my point might come off as quibbling about a minor thing, but there is something specific and special about bitcoin that has lured Saylor into it.. and to cause his company to supplement its focus onto bitcoin, and maybe at some point, the company moves away from other aspects of its business, even though I believe that their software portion does remain quite profitable, but maybe even that part of their business ends up getting more intertwined with bitcoin, since Saylor surely does seem to appreciate the value in attempting to be creative in various ways to incorporate bitcoin into what he and his company is doing.....


Nah, Microstrategy was a dying company before Bitcoin.
And now it's a dying company holding a large chunk of coins.
As far as I know MSTR was a company with no profit, or even results or any type to justify their activity.

Now they are devoting all of their resources to service their bitcoin investment and knowledge, in order to make new commitments to the orange coins. The actual activity hds been degraded to ancillary to this business.


MSTR was profitable but revenues were declining prior to getting into bitcoin.  While it certainly not healthy to have declining revenues for multiple years in a row, I wouldn't categorize them as being so bad that they were "dying."  But they certainly weren't on the up and up, however severely you want to categorize that.

FY         Revenue (thousands)     Net Income (thousands)
2017      504,543                        17,643
2018      497,638                        22,501
2019      486,327                        34,355
2020      480,735                        -7,524

Over the four years prior to bitcoin, revenue dropped just under 5% but was dropping slowly and consistently.  They definitely needed something to make them relevant, and Saylor very keenly recognized bitcoin was it.

It is nice to see the numbers juxtaposed to each other.  I am a bit bothered by the way you characterize Saylor's getting into bitcoin as if it were some kind of desperate move - and really even if you are not completely inaccurate, the framing seems a bit dismissive of nuance.

Even Saylor has said several times that his position has evolved and he has gotten more and more bullish about bitcoin.  In other words, he first came into bitcoin with a kind of defensive position not to lose value and he was learning along the way, and the longer he was in bitcoin the more and more bullish that he became about bitcoin.  

Surely, to outsiders and no coiners, Saylor probably appeared as overly zealous bull right from the start, but I personally have no doubt to accept his representations that he became more and more bullish (and aggressive in the way that he invested into bitcoin) with the passage of time.  

First of all, I want to thank you for correcting my wrong opinion @Jayjuangee and @Fillippone and without being supported by good data. After looking at the data presented by @Jaysabi, I just realized that there has been a continuous decline in revenue even if we graph the lowest decline in 2019. In terms of productivity, this means that 2019 is the lowest point MSTR generates revenue for the products/services they offer to the public. . Then when compared to Net Income which continues to increase, this increase must have a reason because if I only have that data, I am a little hesitant to conclude. I don't understand how to access MSTR's financial statements for free. Can someone tell me here? If based on the data, I think why the net income in 2020 is the lowest it could be because of the rising costs and if it is said that the net income is minus due to the purchase of BTC then the purchase or investment decision in their financial statement will be clearly stated.
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492  Economy / Gambling / Re: Rollbit.com | Crypto's Most Rewarding Casino 👑 on: October 17, 2021, 01:25:28 PM
The pre-sale was pretty much successful for them as they all got sold within few seconds time frame and that's amazing to watch and the trend is suggesting people are very much involved in these NFT trend and are ready to rush towards their favourite one's fast.So you need to be fast to have any of the piece.

Their pre sale success is due to the NFT they offer without any risk.  It's only natural that many people are interested, even I am one who is quite sorry that I didn't buy much during the presale yesterday.  I have sold NFT which I only bought 1 with a profit margin of around 505$.  This is very interesting to me, as an NFT speculator.
493  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2021/2022 on: October 16, 2021, 04:53:07 PM

I hear those words almost every season ''Solskjaer needs to be replaced'' but in fact he still survives to this day Man United management still believe in him
I don't know what's so special about him that it's still being maintained for the 3rd time Man United failed to get 3 points in a row this is not a good situation

Actually, the management only felt the sentimentality that Solskjaer had built on his team.  They have had a team that is undisciplined and lacks respect for the history of Manchester United being built, but Solkajaer has facilitated management by showing better team discipline results.  But when it comes to results, indeed Solskjaer has not shown significant results and it takes a long time.  Even though fans were really looking forward to the trophy that Man United brought.
494  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Putin believes Bitcoin has value on: October 16, 2021, 04:08:05 PM
But even so, it shows that Russia seems to be adopting a friendly position facing cryptocurrency and it may be having some impact on the industry. Given that China adopted a harsh position towards cryptos, is it possible that miners are relocating from China to Russia? Is it possible for Russia to step up to occupy the former place China had in Bitcoin? I guess this is what is happening, otherwise, Putin wouldn't come public with such a neutral position.
At least this is a form of support for Cryptocurency. This is one positive news. They will continue to give permission to their citizens to carry out crypto-related activities except for payment instruments. Even if I'm not mistaken they already have the official digital currency Ruble. Maybe this is not a direct support but it does not hinder the development of Bitcoin it is already very good. It looks like they will continue to study Bitcoin and other cryptos.

Yes, the positive signal from President Putin is enough to make the market appreciate even though there are many other supporting factors.  The conditions for Russia and China, which are rumored to be replacing China, are slightly different because Russia is currently looking for an alternative after the US policy on Russia since 2014.
495  Economy / Economics / Re: Evergrande situation on: October 16, 2021, 02:39:22 PM
Quite right. The thing is, nobody cares about the inflation neither. At least not now. Maybe they will care when a loaf of bread becomes $500. I don't know. So far it is not that bad. Maybe we are right at the beginning of the collapse. Nobody really knows. I guess we'll have to live and find out.
Yes, maybe people only realized when the price of the bread they bought had reached that value.  However, if we talk about the case of evergrade debt, then this is actually a regional case, on the other hand, because the debt value is very large and attracts their banking sector, even 128 banks are involved in their debt, then this is something that must be addressed properly because default conditions will result in  causing angry investors and the impact of rising unemployment and economic instability in the financial sector.  If the financial sector is unstable, it will very likely disrupt the liquidity of national payments.
496  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Putin believes Bitcoin has value on: October 15, 2021, 04:07:40 PM
I remember the time that Russia said cryptocurrency trading is allowed but not as means of payment (in other words legal tender). At least they could still trade cryptos, but it would be better if they could expand its use cases like as a medium of exchange. It’s good for Putin to say that Bitcoin has value, but that’s just the first step. Hopefully in the future, he would consider allowing cryptos as mode of payment but should be regulated very well like registering as an operating payment system (OPS).
Its been a while that Putin announcing that Bitcoin could be considered as a legal tender to their country but it was sudden that changes his mind and turn it in favor of Bitcoin adoption. I like the idea of changing his decision but if that only will be going to happen, where it having stricter and regulated rules it never attracts interest for the people to adopt Bitcoin and use it.
I assume that he already understands how it works but with his actions, I think he wanted to make it centralized and take control of everything which is not acceptable by the majority.

After he told us what is his opinion about BTC, the market become bullish till now. The price of BTC has reached 60K USD. After a long journey for bearish time, we comeback to reach our new level price. No matter, he want to control BTC among the banning action of another country which I know this has made our portfolio get its profit.
497  Economy / Economics / Re: Evergrande situation on: October 15, 2021, 02:43:10 PM
Stocks keep climbing up, crypto keep climbing up. As I suspected evergrande was just a nothing burger. $300 billion debt? Pff. Just print another trillion USD, USDT or CNY and it means nothing. Maybe we haven't seen its real potential impact on the markets. That's a possibility too but as the times goes by, the chances of a big crash is getting lower and lower.

Actually, if you look at the current conditions, we will not see a major economic crisis in the country because the government immediately backed up this problem and became a problem for the government.  But if you say by printing money, the problem is solved, I don't think that's the way to do it because it will cause another domino effect, namely big inflation.  The condition of their debt is already very large, even greater than the debt of my country as a whole, it is natural for people to be worried about the default conditions they are experiencing.
498  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2021/2022 on: October 14, 2021, 04:16:03 PM
due to the recently announced investor takeover of the club newcastle united, a funny cartoon was created, which shows the current situation in the english pl Grin


https://twitter.com/11vs11art/status/1448545554217246723
Middle Eastern rich people have been interested in European clubs for a long time, they have chosen many football clubs from the top to the average.  This time, the Prince of Arabia was indeed quite making a scene with the acquisition he made to newcaslte.  Moreover, the next match against Tottenham, whether after this acquisition process will have a good impact on the players or even they look very bad because previously they lost to Wolves with a pretty boring game.
499  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Indonesia Tidak Ikuti China, Kabar Gembira? on: October 14, 2021, 02:30:57 PM
Yang jadi pertanyaan saya sekarang apakah setiap kita melakukan transaksi akan di potong pajak? Jadi bagaimana kalau transaksi yang kita lakukan itu tidak mendapatkan keuntungan alias jual rugi? Apakah itu juga kena?
Kalo sama kek aturan saham, ya kena juga. Tiap kali agan jual kan ada fee-nya tuh, nah itu fee-nya nanti sudah include pajak. Mau jual rugi atau jual untung semua ada fee jualnya.

Jika disamakan dengan saham dan skemanya seperti itu, apakah masih cocok jika disebut pajak penghasilan padahal kita merugi. Karena kalo pajak penghasilan untuk pengusaha umumnya yang saya ketahui kalo dia merugi cukup melapor dan tidak bayar pajak. CMIIW.
500  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Putin believes Bitcoin has value on: October 14, 2021, 01:15:17 PM
By now, Putin has come out with a very open opinion on Bitcoin and this is having quite an impact on the current market.  To say that Russia is replacing China now, I think this is an exaggeration.  Putin is much more stable than the Chinese President in taking his country's policies.  If he says it's too early to talk about Bitcoin in oil trading it's only natural because their exports are supported by oil and other commodities.  And indeed not many countries are willing to accept bitcoin as a legal tender.  Although Russia is indeed looking for an alternative to the dollar because of the sanctions they received in 2014, Putin has not dared to replace the dollar with Bitcoin due to various reasons behind it.
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