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481  Economy / Service Discussion / http://www.pyramining.com/ - Discussion thread (no advertising here) on: May 10, 2012, 08:54:27 PM
What is Pyramining?

It is a shared mining farm that allows you to borrow hashing power to mine for Bitcoins. Once your account is active, miners will keep working for you until you will be fully rewarded with the intial amount sent plus a bonus. There is a referral system implemented in order to increase your bonus.


Is it a pyramid scheme?

It is not. All rewards come from mining and not from recruiting members. All deposited amounts will be used to buy mining infrastructure.
Recruiting member allows you to increase your bonus/reward.


Since people do not read instructions on the site before creating an account and making a deposit, new account creation has been suspended until a solution will be found.


Here is a link to the initial discussion topic.

Here you can find the Frequently Asked Questions.
482  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 04:53:43 PM
Just added the second GH/s to the mining gear!
483  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 03:50:54 PM
I am thinking about creating the official discussion topic under a more appropriate section. Which one do you think it fits better?

Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Marketplace > Services

or

Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Marketplace > Gambling

?


I suppose that the first (Services) is the correct one, since this is not "gambling", deposits aren't bets.
484  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 03:28:55 PM
btw, I don't think level 2 and level 3 referrals are implemented. For the most part, everybody currently in pyramining would be a direct referral, second level, or third level referral of me, since there aren't a whole lot of users/levels yet. I only get the bonus for psy's deposit, though. Just pointing it out  Grin

Level 2 and 3 referrals are implemented. Bonus is affected only by 1 level. Deeper levels are involved during the rewards distribution:
30% of the rewards get split into 15%, 7.5% and 7.5% and sent to the first three level sponsors, on the other hand you will receive 15% from 1st level referrals, and 7.5% from second and third level referrals.
485  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 03:21:30 PM
Welcome to the forums. Good to have you here. Around these parts we get a lot of newbie wackos with what they think is the latest way to trick people out of their money. On the outside looking in, everything looks like a potential scam. Bottom line-- are you going to try to remain anonymous?

Thank you Matthew. I know that it could look like a scam, even because I am not much known yet, but you will see with time that this is a serious project.

I am not that much anonymous, just try to do a whois query on the domain... ;-)
486  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 02:36:37 PM
He accused you of being bitscalper. Do a search on the forums for bitscalper and you'll see what it is Cheesy

Oh I thought that he recognized "bitscalper" in someone who posted here. I am not bitscalper and I am going to search on the forum just to see what he was afriad of. :-)
487  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 02:30:24 PM
Yes, they could have floated a bond or stock on GLBSE but this is more fun.

That is my understanding also - BTC is used to purchase more hashing power.

BTC are used exactly to purchase more hashing power.

If you join without a sponsor, and you don't invite other member through referral you will earn 5% (like a bond).
If you help us spreading our initiative through referral, you have the chance to earn much more.
Finally, yes, this should be more fun.
488  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 02:26:26 PM
I wouldn't even refer Matthew's accusation if he wasn't be so specific, like, if he said it was a scam operation. But he accused you of being someone specific...

I don't understand this fully: does this Matthew sustain that I am someone else?

This is my first bitcoin project and this is my first and only account I have on this forum.
489  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 02:24:07 PM
According to my understanding of how this works, every btc 'lends' you a certain amount of mhash, which will then run and give you payments until the entire deposit+bonus is given back. Is that right?

The amount of mhash lended per btc will increase as more people will join. I will add (proportionally) ~ 1 GH/s every  ~ 140 bitcoins deposited (depending on bitcoin value at the time deposits are received). In the FAQ section the cost per GH/s is always updated.

Probably I need to publish more stats on the site, I will work on it in the next few days.
490  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 02:21:01 PM
I will deposit more. Waiting for some more money to arrive at my wallet and it will even out those 566.8% for sure Tongue

If you add funds, the bonus % will decrease, because it's calculated on how much referrals deposited compared to your deposit.

The exact formula is: ((sum of referral deposits / your deposit) / 10) + 5 + 5 if joined through referral.

It would help if Matthew didn't come here slinging accusations without any proof.

I am new here and the world is full of scammers, so I might understand that some people could be skeptical.

I understand what pyramining is all about. Just a way for the owner to expand his mining operation with other peoples funds by paying them a bonus, just like if he took a loan and paid interest on it.

Yes, but mining gear will remain allocated to pyramining to allow faster rewards, until every account is payed back completely.

Probably I will close _new_ subscriptions when conditions make the system unsustainable (for example if block rewards drops too much, but it will happens 4 to 5 years from now).
491  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 01:52:36 PM
What does this mean?

Code:
by bonus
Bonus  Referrals Completion
566.8% 1         0%
16.0%  1         0%
10.6%  2         10%
10.0%  0         10%
10.0%  0         14%

566.8% ? Math problem?

It's not a math problem, this account sent a little amount (like 0.xxx) and his referral something bigger (like 5.xxx). Therefore he will really gain up to 566%....

I say "up to" because when an account is created, it gets 5% or 10%. If miners find a block, he start getting revenues. If he gets referrals AFTER, he will gain the bigger amount only for the remaining part (funds that aren't payed out yet). If referrals deposit funds in a short time, real gain corresponds to bonus. If referrals deposit when the account payout is almost completed, the real gain is the average between all the received rewards. In the profile section you can find "average bonus", calculated on current situation.

BTW: caching issues should be fixed now. Still testing a bit more.
492  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 01:04:43 PM
Change browser or clean your cache and you should see the data change.
The fact is that Firefox is still showing me the same and Chrome is showing things how it should. At least for now.

I am working on it, need some time for testing with Firefox.
493  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 12:51:51 PM
I realize that this may be a little annoying, but I'm pretty sure it's more than 5 minutes  Tongue

Quote
Last update:   2012-05-10 12:12:52 UTC

It's been... 35 minutes?

Does it update once every hour?


It was a caching issue... it should work properly now. Thanks for reporting.
494  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 12:38:19 PM
but:

Quote
Deposited amount:   0.0 BTC
Reward completion:   0%
[/quote]

Profile information is not realtime, it gets refreshed every 5 minutes, to avoid DOS (if someone sends 1000 requests/sec of the profile, the system will have to do a lot of calculations and the site would collapse). Just have a little patience. :-)

Maybe I can reset timers when a transaction is done. Working on it.
495  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 12:25:09 PM
I suspect that I'm the first user Oo. Just sent 0.15 BTC to try it out, hope that it works Smiley

As soon as it will have 1 confirmation, your account becomes active. Hope you will be satisfied by the service.

Question, if there's no 2nd or 3rd grade sponsor, does one keep the 15% of the income that goes to them?

Yes you will keep the income if there are no sponsors above.
496  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 12:06:48 PM
I just donated ~ 1 GH/s to the site's mining gear for the bootstrap.

First users will have very fast revenues. All deposited funds will be used to add more hashing power. To speed up things, I can dedicate my other mining gear (up to 25Gh/s actually) to pyramining while waiting for new hardware to be ordered and put to work.
497  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 02:16:15 AM
It does smell of scam js, your link to the site is a referral link, the site looks like a 12yr draw it. Best part is you go on the bottom "This service is still BETA. Use at your own risk." You might as just say when I get enough bitcoins I will run away. Also if I give 1.20 btc I get 10% bonus, if I give 2.5btc I get 10%. I would think if I am giving more my bonus should be more but it isn't. It looks very scammy.

I dedicated my time to the logic, I can improove graphics with time, the most important thing is that the site works correctly.
Probably if I wanted to take bitcoins and run away I would have cared only at the looks.
Bonus is 5%, 10% if joining through referral and it will increase proportionally depending on how much your referrals will deposit. Maybe I should explain this better in the FAQ.

The site is still BETA because it has still little testing. Anyway I am making hourly database dumps and backups so if something goes wrong I might fix it.

And "use at your own risk" because it's my first application that involves bitcoin. Although I am quite experienced with coding, and the whole system sits behind a restrictive firewall, I never ran this kind of application before. Even MTGOX has been hacked someway. If you don't trust it enough but you want to see how it works, you can partecipate with a little amount and see it by yourself. When you are confident that things run as expected, you can always deposit a bigger amount.
498  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 01:45:18 AM
Thanks Uncurlhalo! I am open to any kind of critics, and I subscribed to this forum to make myself available to anyone who could have quesitions not yet answered in the FAQ. When my account on the forum will allow me to post on other areas, I will open an official thread and link it from the website.
499  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 01:27:35 AM
scam
Why do you think it's a scam? It is not... and I am not developing it for that.  Angry
500  Other / Beginners & Help / I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: May 10, 2012, 01:22:13 AM
I already have a mining farm, I am trying to do something easy, funny and interesting for the bitcoin community. I am afraid that the word "pyramid" scares many people. What do you think about it?

The site is at: http://www.pyramining.com/

If someone wants to try it out and join, here's my referral :-)

http://www.pyramining.com/referral/k3fr9g647 <- this referral has already been used, ask to other members for new referrals.

Joining by referral increases revenue % of 5 points.

-edit-

I love this pyramid shit. On the bitcoinpyramid I deposited 0.44 BTC when it started and got back almost 2 BTC. lol

While it has a pyramid structure, this service is not a pyramid. Every account will get his calculated reward since all profits are derived only from mining.
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