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481  Economy / Speculation / Re: Adam's Bet - Bitcoin will not make a new all time high this February on: February 16, 2013, 05:15:39 AM
Let's assume for a second that the reddit news attracted more investors. How long do you think their money will be competing with the rest in the market and therefore drive up the price?
482  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / How will bitcoin make inroads into the super market? on: February 16, 2013, 04:52:17 AM
Do you think it will? I guess first there has to be a reason why people would use it rather than current means. So here is what I can think of:

People use bitcoin in the supermarket with their smartphone because it's cheaper than using a credit card. 3% less or some amount than a credit card. Now that businesses are free to charge more for credit card purchases they might opt for something different.

But why would a regular consumer use bitcoin rather than say.. a debit card linked to their bank account?

The one reason I can think of is because they would rather hold their value in bitcoins instead of dollars before they are spent.
483  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So far we got Wordpress, 4chan and reddit so whats next? on: February 16, 2013, 04:47:42 AM
I emailed Mark Shuttleworth a few minutes ago aha. He has actually replied to me before about something. I just gave a headsup about bitcoin in the email.
484  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bear post of the Day on: February 16, 2013, 03:48:20 AM
Glad that my point was so well understood.  Wink


As for today I'll try to tackle yet another myth:

The claim that bullish market participants can drive the price up infinitely, arguably because they can keep their coins forever without ever selling them back.
In an ideal world where everybody only invests the money they can afford to lose this would be true, but in RL that is not the case...

Because of relatively low interest rates in the fiat money economy there is a substantial amount of people who buy Bitcoin on credit. This tendency increases with greed and bullishness, the more somebody thinks the price will go up shortly and the higher the longing to get rich quick the higher the risk for somebody to fall into this trap.
And because many people either have other loans for more essential assets (like housing) or use these assets as collateral to get the loan in the first place they have no other alternative to sell their BTC down the road, either by taking profit or worse to cut losses.

I'm bullish but I agree with this. Infinitely? Doesn't sound realistic anyway. The truth is a lot of people will cash out of bitcoin and that will cause the bubble to pop...... but that is the price bitcoin has to pay to become an elite currency. Over and over people will suck money out of the bitcoin circulation and prices will rise and fall but eventually it will still be worth more than it is now. I only say I'm bullish because I don't think the price will drop that far. There are lines of people waiting to buy at 15........ so that means I doubt it will drop that low if the price does crash.
485  Bitcoin / Project Development / Can we create a bitcoin mobile app store? on: February 16, 2013, 02:44:35 AM
All it would do is have apps for each phone type that (I presume it could only work with unlocked phones) connected to "bitcoin" related apps. There would be user reviews and rankings and that's pretty much it.
486  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: What legally prevents a business forming that lets you buy anything with bitcoin on: February 16, 2013, 02:32:05 AM
That's very helpful actually. And the business I had in mind isn't "letting anyone buy anything with bitcion"... the idea I had is actually low volume. There would be a maximum of 50 transactions per day and each transaction's maximum value would be 100 dollars about(and not all at one site but rather spread across the internet).

487  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: What legally prevents a business forming that lets you buy anything with bitcoin on: February 16, 2013, 02:08:05 AM
Since the company would not actually be selling anything but just be allowing someone to buy an item through a different kind of payment is the sales tax still the responsibility of the purchaser (the person who used the bitcoin in the first place) to report as it is now?

Sorry that is INCORRECT....
Consider the simple example of a ticket sales company, are you suggesting that they NEVER have to pay tax on the profit?

You are acting as an Agency offering a service and as such ...... it's taxable

I'm not talking about tax from profit. If there are profits great. and pay taxes on them great.  I'm talking about sales tax.  If the person pays the company bitcoins and the company then buys the item and sends it to the original person... how is the sales tax problem solved?  Right now as it stands the buyer of something online is required to report that on their taxes. So would the person who pays with the bitcoins still be required to report the purchase on their taxes or is this somehow now the responsibility of the company in the middle? Does the company now have to pay a sales tax on something they are just letting someone else buy with bitcoins? Does anyone know exactly how that company that allows you to buy pizza with bitcoin works?
488  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: What legally prevents a business forming that lets you buy anything with bitcoin on: February 16, 2013, 02:04:18 AM
Since the company would not actually be selling anything but just be allowing someone to buy an item through a different kind of payment is the sales tax still the responsibility of the purchaser (the person who used the bitcoin in the first place) to report as it is now?

Nobody can provide you exact details because it all depends.  There are 280+ countries on the planet and in places like the US the law depends on both state and local level plus if the sale will occur across state or country lines.

In generally it is the responsibility of the merchant to collect sales tax when they have an obligation (due to tax laws).  In that instance the merchant would provide the supplier with a reseller cert so the the supplier would NOT charge sales tax.  The merchant would then collect sales tax from the end user.  However NewEgg likely isn't going to give you exempt status.  They aren't a distributor and they don't want people reselling their goods.

So even though the item would go directly from newegg to the person who bought with bitcoins.... the company in the middle that accepts the bitcoins and buys the item with their money would be construed as a "reseller" ?

489  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: What legally prevents a business forming that lets you buy anything with bitcoin on: February 16, 2013, 01:48:52 AM
Since the company would not actually be selling anything but just be allowing someone to buy an item through a different kind of payment is the sales tax still the responsibility of the purchaser (the person who used the bitcoin in the first place) to report as it is now?
490  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: What legally prevents a business forming that lets you buy anything with bitcoin on: February 16, 2013, 01:37:05 AM
In this example.... newegg accepts different forms of payment. So what form of payment would this business use to buy the merchandise? Would it be a corporate or business credit card?

And when that company goes to pay their taxes...... They pay taxes on their profit right? The fee for the service they charge?
491  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: What legally prevents a business forming that lets you buy anything with bitcoin on: February 16, 2013, 01:23:46 AM
Maybe I should rephrase my question and give an example

Suppose someone has bitcoins. They want to buy a computer part from newegg. Newegg doesn't accept bitcoins as a payment. In comes this "business" . They accept your bitcoins and in return they will buy the computer part with their money... and since they were paid in bitcoins then they can simply exchange those bitcoins into money and make some small profit based on whatever fee they charge. How is that dishonest or illegal?

How is it any different than the new business that lets you order pizza with bitcoins?

the question is what legal hurdles are there? Not what is honest or dishonest since I wouldn't consider such a service dishonest.....
492  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Next Thursday I will have 20 minutes to present bitcoin to 150 businessmen/women on: February 15, 2013, 11:57:19 PM
cool! I'll check it out
493  Bitcoin / Legal / What legally prevents a business forming that lets you buy anything with bitcoin on: February 15, 2013, 11:41:54 PM
Say you want a business where you accept bitcoins... and the business itself buys some item and sends it to the person who bought with bitcoins. What legal hurdles are there?
494  Bitcoin / Hardware / Delivery estimate for BFL single? on: February 15, 2013, 11:30:57 PM
when do you think they will start shipping?
495  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So far we got Wordpress, 4chan and reddit so whats next? on: February 15, 2013, 04:37:37 AM
How about Steam?  Steam for linux just launched. Now is a great time for bitcoin there as well
496  Economy / Speculation / Re: Four hours to a new record price! ( + Poll ) on: February 15, 2013, 03:43:27 AM
I'd say 3-4 months
497  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / The criminal element on: February 15, 2013, 03:33:18 AM
Can bitcoin really be blamed if a criminal uses it? I think this is the first and only subject most mainstream media will talk about if they introduce their readers to the bitcoin.

Bitcoin is designed for the internet age. It's designed to be better than what we have at doing what money does. Since it is better at it's job, then people will use it. This includes criminals. But can bitcoin be blamed if a criminal uses bitcoin because it's a better and more convenient form of money?

That's like saying cellphones can be blamed because criminals can use them. Why does a criminal use them? because cell phones are a more convenient form of communication than writing a letter which is what we used to have.  Saying that bitcoin is bad because criminals use it is like saying that cars are bad because criminals can use them to help in their criminal lives. Why do criminals use them? Because cars are a better form of transportation than horse and running which are the forms of transportation they replaced.

Just thought I'd get that off my chest.
498  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / How long should we give Wired magazine to retract their story and apologize? on: February 15, 2013, 12:45:33 AM
and to start accepting bitcoin. ahaaaa
499  Economy / Speculation / Re: Reddit now accepting Bitcoin... on: February 15, 2013, 12:44:47 AM
Conde Nast also owns Wired, who proclaimed bitcoin's demise in 2011.  Cheesy

This is beautiful.  The only thing better would be if Wired started taking BTC for subscriptions.

hahahahaah That would show em.
500  Economy / Speculation / Re: I call myself out of this game. on: February 15, 2013, 12:25:35 AM
A market where everyone thinks that he is gonna be rich in the next few years cannot work.
It made sense for me to invest in the past when I felt alone in this tough, but now, now everyone went mad.

"everyone" and the current market are a fraction of what the future market will be. Saying that you don't think early adopters could get rich basically means you are saying the price can't continue to rise. If the price can't continue to rise what you are basically saying is that the future market will not grow. I'd bet against that. With a larger market in the future and a fixed supply... there will be an automatic increase in demand. Price rise is inevitable with market growth.
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