...It's time for another redress of power.
Less talking, more buying. Hello 380s  |
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... Clearly we are living in the age Bureaucracy today. The self-organizing systems theory did say that this high-level order emerges out of chaos, so we will need to have a return to chaos first, before that can happen. Oh well, who's to say I am not ready?  I [sometimes] agree with the whole Nietzschean lion bit, that we have to tear this rotting thing down to the ground before we can build anything new in its place. and I also think that For this truly is the best of all possible worlds
And in this world
The best of all worlds
Why I'm the best of all short-order fry cooks--Hamburger Martyr  |
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The world will not, and did not before its time, descend into chaos without a huge police state to watch over us all. When gangs of marauders roam the earth, people will defend themselves in equal measure. There has always been crime and always will be, its nature merely shifts depending on local circumstances.
Again, this is solely based on weakness, in this case fear and physical inability.
Yeah, like when IS marched through Iraq and Syria, slaughtering, raping, robbing and what not. The people fought back equally and the whole Islamic State thing never happened, right? With items obtained from a government, as provided by an even bigger government. Gotcha. No one said that the governments are intrinsically good. Simply that you are weak, disorganized, and wholly incapable of putting up meaningful resistance. |
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...As long as I can still use bitcoins for what I want. I stopped caring what other people do long ago. I am moving forward, toward freedom.
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The next 25 hours are critical for bitcoin's existence.
If we not pass 400, we are doomed.
wasn't the 24 hours the most important? What gonna happens in the 25th hour? The next week is pretty critical too. Have we reached the tipping point? Singularity? Are we black swan yet? |
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You can't hide, Bitcoiner!  You've been reported. Bitcoin unaffected! No. You, on the other hand...  |
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I am pretty sure you have the wrong end of the stick of what I am saying.
You were pretty sure about a whole bunch of stuff. How'd that work out? |
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... I actually see more QE as a good thing. Where do you think all those whale investor dollars came from and into bitcoin in 2013? The dollars came from n00bs like you--not wales, but them pennies added up. Sadly, the supply of greater fools has finally run dry, hence the 2/3 price drop  Negative. Million dollar bitcoin pumps did not happen by n00bs. It attracted the masses, yes, but were no initiated by them. The U.S. stock market was being pumped precisely at the same time (Mar/April 2013, Oct/Nov 2013) as the bitcoin market... see the correlation? Never stop thinking that! ~Your reptilian friend. |
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You can't hide, Bitcoiner! You've been reported. |
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... I actually see more QE as a good thing. Where do you think all those whale investor dollars came from and into bitcoin in 2013? The dollars came from n00bs like you--not wales, but them pennies added up. Sadly, the supply of greater fools has finally run dry, hence the 2/3 price drop |
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How people have patience for all that discussion?
Even in the pay per post epoch that would be beyond my patience
My Beneficent Reptilian Overlords pay me in hedons. I'm hooked |
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How's the rally to the moon doing?
Soooon, we'll be without the moon Humming a different tune, and then There may be teardrops to shed So while there's moonlight and music and love and romance Let's face the music and dance, dance Let's face the music and dance  |
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effective law enforcement agencies
Effective at what? Their stated aims? Or their hidden agendas? And before someone responds with something about "reptillian overlords," how about acknowledging the failure of the war on drugs (if we are to believe its stated goal) or it's success if its goal is to enrich drug barons and prop up a prison industry at the expense of the bottom 15% of the USA. Then the war on terror (WOT?) stated goal: stop terrorism. Logical concealed goal: use terrorism to cause terrorism. Profit from endless war. If law enforcement stops bad people doing bad stuff, what happens if those people rise to a high position within the law enforcing institutions? Do we rely on the system itself to oust them? Because that doesn't seem to work. So TL;DR: Agencies [allegedly] fail at some of the tasks allotted them. Solution: get rid of the agency. Heads sometimes get headaches, sore throats and toothaches. Solution: cut them off. A health analogy that would be far more appropriate: A cancer kills its host. Solution: do your best to resist and defeat it. Starting with the premise that law enforcement agencies = cancer sorta begs the conclusion, no? |
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I love your reaction to the racism.
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Obama's rise to power to celebrated as heralding a new era of cultural growth for the USA and the whole world, while on any moral level he is a disaster. An attacker of civil liberties, a practitioner of obscure and secretive unconstitutional powers that are being used to murder individuals placed on secret lists for secret reasons without a trial.
Ino, right? The things them darkies get away with nowadays  |
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effective law enforcement agencies
Effective at what? Their stated aims? Or their hidden agendas? And before someone responds with something about "reptillian overlords," how about acknowledging the failure of the war on drugs (if we are to believe its stated goal) or it's success if its goal is to enrich drug barons and prop up a prison industry at the expense of the bottom 15% of the USA. Then the war on terror (WOT?) stated goal: stop terrorism. Logical concealed goal: use terrorism to cause terrorism. Profit from endless war. If law enforcement stops bad people doing bad stuff, what happens if those people rise to a high position within the law enforcing institutions? Do we rely on the system itself to oust them? Because that doesn't seem to work. So TL;DR: Agencies [allegedly] fail at some of the tasks allotted them. Solution: get rid of the agencies. Heads sometimes get headaches, sore throats and toothaches. Solution: cut them off. |
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Why not live in a world where those murders also happen, but at least we don't have to pay the salaries of a bunch of people who fail to keep their promises to prevent it?
In places without effective law enforcement agencies and criminal justice systems, is the murder rate higher or lower than in those places with them? Somalia did pretty well... A libber paradise!  |
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. But let's forget about that for a moment. The question is: "if it somehow turns out that a society doesn't need a government to function, what would be your reaction to that?". I mean would you be happy that we can get rid of the "necessary evil" after all or would you have a problem with that? Genuinely interested.
That would be fantastic, if in the future we can find a way to make society function without the threat of force I'd be all for it I suspect we all want to make the world a better place, but have wildly different ideas about how it actually works today and what is to be done peace Can you think of an efficient mechanism for that? Advocates of Democracy claim that it's already in place--periodic elections. Sure, in reality that's pretty anemic, but what's the alternative?
Yes I can think of many alternatives but they would probably be no good. I argue the (admittedly rather difficult to defend) position that we have no way of knowing what a superior way of managing things will look like, because if we would, it would cease to be superior. This has to do with how chaotic systems tend to self-organize at higher levels of coherence without any known cause. Self-organization is a process where some form of global order or coordination arises out of the local interactions between the components of an initially disordered system. This process is spontaneous: it is not directed or controlled by any agent or subsystem inside or outside of the system; however, the laws followed by the process and its initial conditions may have been chosen or caused by an agent. It is often triggered by random fluctuations that are amplified by positive feedback. The resulting organization is wholly decentralized or distributed over all the components of the system. As such it is typically very robust and able to survive and self-repair substantial damage or perturbations. In chaos theory it is discussed in terms of islands of predictability in a sea of chaotic unpredictability.
Self-organization occurs in a variety of physical, chemical, biological, social and cognitive systems. Common examples are crystallization, the emergence of convection patterns in a liquid heated from below, chemical oscillators, swarming in groups of animals, and the way neural networks learn to recognize complex patterns. This idea applied to societal organization basically means that free interaction between any and all people should produce levels of coherence which are more complex, more resilient against damage, more efficient (in terms of resource usage) and unexpected.But if such social systems were indeed more resilient, we would have Anarchist societies? |
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Fuck you and your slave masters that have convinced you that their institutions are trustworthy.
No, we'll just keep fucking you instead. Relax, u'll enjoy it more! ~Your Reptilian Overlords. |
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This argument again.
After the collapse and then the following anarchy, who will be providing the electrical power to run your local wallet? who will provide/maintain the network infrasrtucture and routing, etc. to make BTC trades possible?
etc.
Someone willing to make a shitload of money providing services which are so desirable I imagine. Seriously, is that so hard to imagine? It's easy to imagine, the problem is there is no historical data showing anything similar. None. And when one government collapses, another one takes the reins. Not anarchists. That's why I advocate evolution instead of revolution. Throw down your government and you'll get a new one which is just as bad. The way forward is to make government unnecessary. Like I said - maybe the case is that we needed governmental structures in order to get to the point of technological development we have now reached, but I propose that this status should be challenged and re-examined periodically. Can you think of an efficient mechanism for that? Advocates of Democracy claim that it's already in place--periodic elections. Sure, in reality that's pretty anemic, but what's the alternative? I have a question for those people, who have taken a stance of "the government is necessary" in this debate. You may be convinced that it will stay necessary forever, regardless of whether you like it or not. But let's forget about that for a moment. The question is: "if it somehow turns out that a society doesn't need a government to function, what would be your reaction to that?". I mean would you be happy that we can get rid of the "necessary evil" after all or would you have a problem with that? Genuinely interested.
Of course people everyone would like to get rid of "necessary evil"--the "evil" part of the phrase strongly implies that. The "necessary" part, OTOH, implies that it's necessary |
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This argument again.
After the collapse and then the following anarchy, who will be providing the electrical power to run your local wallet? who will provide/maintain the network infrasrtucture and routing, etc. to make BTC trades possible?
etc.
Someone willing to make a shitload of money providing services which are so desirable I imagine. Seriously, is that so hard to imagine? It's easy to imagine, the problem is there is no historical data showing anything similar. None. And when one government collapses, another one takes the reins. Not anarchists. |
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