How many days will it take to be able to charge back with paypal was it 180 days or 90 days? no one is going to trust you.
You could only sell bitcoin in exchange for paypal, though currently an exchange is offering both buy and sell options via using paypal and they are advertising their services in some signatures but that shouldn't make them legit be careful.
I will not name them but you could easily find them if you look in a few pages you'll see their signatures.

If you send as friend and family you can still do a charge back or not? if not then why other people aren't doing this already?

You have gone through so much trouble to post this topic just to say a small sentence? 6 months ago what was the price do you recall? I do it was around $780 and now it's not near the double however as the market's ice melts down we're going towards up and up we shall go, have you ever considered why bitcoin's price has only increased over time unlike anything else in the world? I'll give you a hint; it was designed this way and still the current dev team is loyal to the original design only if cash grabbers of crypto let it to grow, yet despite all the bad and negative news one after another we can see market is positive but I'm afraid every market has it's own tolerant limit and it's better if we don't push too much against that limit.

Indeed the true justice system in the US they have, a judge gets a boner and issues a blocking order(freezing)of $11B Iran's money! I know you might say Iran supporting terrorism and they all are terrorists and deserve what they get but as clearly as franky1 is a shill for Wu and Ver, we all know Iran is not supporting terrorism but even fighting it and is a victim. I mean who the hell did put the governments in charge of everything? yes we did.
Couldn't US loving the human rights so much provide proper channels to give dozens of billions dollars of frozen assets to the people in Iran? lifts the sanctions on merchants doing business with medical companies and buying food supplies to give them the chance the people?

I wanna know are the whole world completely insane or blind not to see if Iran wanted to destroy Israel they already have enough non nuclear fire power to do so and if they wanted to build 10 nukes and drop on american soil then US could drop thousands on Iranian soils?

So what is the real deal here?
Answer: they're all SOBs and MFers want to bully others simple and clear as BU is a menace.
Actually the whole world has turned to fuck and the only thing trying barely to unfuck it is unable to jump start, take off because they know what potentials bitcoin has and if they allow it to scale and grow big then they might lose their grip.

Pardon my french I'm just honest and very much pissed.

Pointing fingers, blaming blockstreamers for implementing backdoor trojan horse segwit, it was all the real distraction from all the real fucked up things happening right under our noses and guess who managed to constantly divert the attentions away from the real menace?
I'm really disappointed in you franky1 I thought you were different but now I see that you were the one distracting everyone with your finger pointing blaming gmaxwell and showing colorful graphs and charts.
I mean this is just too obvious and I'm the idiot to actually counting on your words for a while but now even me with a pea sized brain can see what is going on.

We should strip you naked and shame you all the way to the court, at least share some of that fat bonus for posting and be an absolute enemy of Core with us I could easily be very convincing with only $5 bucks per effective post .

Now I don't know who can I trust anymore, people literally caught them bitmainers while raping the community and yet you come here and say no it wasn't them.
By my calculations I have an estimation that antpool alone is earning averagely $450K upto $600K every 24 hours of every 7 days of every week.
Now take the average of $500K daily * 30 of one month = $15,000,000 dollars and 20% of $15M is = $3,000,000 dollars and according to you the ROI for the manufacturers is instant or one month, so they even ROIed 3 times over already before releasing the S9s to the public.

And now people should know that they have made at least $20M in last 6 months out of the thin air which was coming from within another thin air mining and again mining with asicboost double thin airs.

Now I understand where the funds for spam transactions/ forum dos attacks come from, no people unrelated to crypto specifically bitcoin aren't crazy to dos the forum or spam attack the network and waste their hard earned money.

Who could've thought about all of this right?

I didn't even count the double earnings of selling miners to the public and didn't account for other pools owned by antpool and other coins, hell I'm now certain that they have earned double the amount on LTC mining .

Actually ETH has 15-45 seconds for transaction confirmation and that's too fast comparing with bitcoin but ETH is too much loose as the forks were *cumming one after another while bitcoin doesn't *cum at all or with a long delay lol which both aren't good.
Yet bitcoin shows better resistance against any changes in it's code which is a very promising factor for long-term holders/investors.
Overall yes bitcoin is the best option in crypto then between LTC and ETH you could roll a dice to choose one.
And not just for 2017 but rather for the next 25 years and if you don't believe me then I might be dead 25 years from now but you will be alive and you could judge my prediction then.

Could it be there out of the goodness of heart to give their cloud mining clients the possibilities such as checking the status of their rented miners remotely and knowing there is actually a miner working and giving them freedom over their rented miners? but then home miners are home miners not cloud mining contractors so why the hell did they also include the code on their sale which were shipping out?

But seriously these little fuckers are worse than c-i-a and nazis lol they have total control and centralization in their back pocket.

Oh RawDog is back again haven't seen him in a while, saying Core lost is like saying bitcoin lost, so far from 2009 the majority are using Core because well we have one Bitcoin and we should have one Version(code) otherwise where have you ever seen a child born with 2 male DNA?
I'm struggling to figure out whether asicboost can work with even 2 merkle roots or only 1 merkle root code is asicboost friendly? did I touch a nerve by asking that?
I'm sorry I'm not at all a nerd but from what I know after some readings asicboost process ignores some calculations aka POW or better say it actually doesn't do the work but makes it look like as if it did do the work.

Let me see, 20% advantage by skipping the work(like government employees watching porn behind their desks instead of completing people's tasks) it means 10,000 S9 will mine as 12,000 S9.
I think I'd go with blockstream $70M debt at least they don't have ties to miner(s) farm.

I can save you all the trouble, just stop being idiots and donate your coins to every betting platform opens up on the internet.
My guess is those ponzi and doubling your coins scammers have found a better way to get what they want and that is by running a casino/gambling platform because that's much easier to get people to deposit than to ask them to invest or simply deposit and we'll double it for you lol.

Just a bunch of innocent angels living their lives and have nothing to do with others they can't even harm an ant, let them be will you? those poor souls even have their walls around them waiting for the bus to come and then jump on it straight to heaven.
I mean they couldn't possibly buy one of the states in US with their wealth and have their own country and since US is their friend I'm sure they wouldn't mind that, but they have to be exactly in that very geographic spot on earth? I'm sure they have their reasons.

Of course I can recommend you the best shitty exchange broader than anything in the market lol
Yobit, but don't bother that much because most of the coins there are listed with sole purpose which people like you go and experiment even if it's a buck or two.

I used to be a troll in their troll box(chat box) we used to constantly talk about some specific coin names and literally shill for them in hopes of getting paid.

Well I don't have access to reddit(blocked in my area)not that I have no way to access it no I don't even like it much. I barely follow whatever happens here.
I need to know why are you defending bitmain and BU? I can clearly see that you have some understandings of things and are concern about bitcoin but you are always in the other side but I just say what ever I believe is fact or it's just my opinion.

Can we use ASIC machines for other purposes such as gaming or other computational processes other than hashing sha256?
With GPU you could use them for other things and they existed before bitcoin so unlike ASICs they weren't specifically manufactured just for mining.
Bitmain was established only to build machines focused on one thing and I call that control unless they were in computer hardware before and or now are making other hardware than miners?
ATI wont even bother to build their own GPU farms because they manufacture computer hardware and sell to the market while mining requires at least a year to ROI and that is not a guaranteed fact.

We're here to convince the undecided miners to chose the best option to proceed but we have forgotten the very obvious fact that only those with enough knowledge and understanding of cryptography and code are the ones currently mining and they will manage to figure out the truth for themselves and we're just wasting our times keeping a clean image of crypto.

All we need we already have, bitfury and bitmain 2 big manufacturers and they both will keep each other in line though I wouldn't mind to have a third big company/pool to balance the power, we just need a functioning and stable network the rest are just back ground noise.

Since I categorize investing on cloud mining as gambling then I have lost more than $500 both in cloud mining and casinos but somehow I was lucky enough I guess to have won more than I lost in total.
I have a code where if I lose in any online casino more than I have earned there I leave and never go back. and I will never name them because I don't want to send some negative signals.
Though where I have won more than I lost as I can recall are bitdouble and 777.

Better to move this thread to gambling discussion board here.

Who manufactured the first ASIC and mined with it? maybe we really need to change the POW to make it anti-ASIC and make it GPU compatible? that way no one could control the mining industry and influence it as much as bitmain is doing right now.
If everyone could mine with GPU then we know who is manufacturing them and there are only 5 big companies making GPU and they have the best technology and their marketcap is much higher than crypto combined so they couldn't be bothered to get personal with the network such as bitcoin and other crypto currencies.
But question remains, who will compensate millions of dollars to those already mining with ASICs?

So now you need an $750K idea after failing to put your domain name in to a good use? people usually wouldn't give away their ideas specially if they're money making ideas, there are literally hundred ways to triple that amount and one of the most convenient ways would be to buy LTC now while it's considerably cheap and wait a few weeks for it to pump by whales and then you got your $1M that easy.

Blockchain is not at all near anything extraordinary rather the way which Satoshi putted different ideas and implemented an entire system out of a bunch of codes is.
There can't be infinite opportunities to be taken advantage of by startups only what ever you do and try you are just entering the competition but still if you could offer something new or better it's something otherwise as you can see we have already thousands of junk coins and only a few are successful not to mention even those promising projects are mainly a mean to an end which is earning money by pump and dump strategy.

Many people here still remember the big scam hash ocean, I was into it back then with price swinging around $370-$420 and before that I was busy with bitfactory and basically obsessed with all the cloud mining and investor based games and as a newbie not knowing that I'm donating my money to those scums topmine, eobot and other crap, ponzi stuff and arguing with others about their legitimacy but now I know none of them were legit and still are not.

Nothing special will happen just take a look at Satoshi may God bless his poor soul, he was killed and his coins still sitting in their deposit addresses until some day some one finds a way either by hacking or finding the private keys.
And you shouldn't say "if" but rather "when" because sooner or later we're all going to die.
Either write a script to auto send them to some charity organization as donation or if the amount is large you could still do the donation part but either hire a lawyer or write script again to do the job or isn't there a post service which will hold whatever mail or package you have and sends in specific date and time to where ever you say?

Or put the instructions into your will, however tell them not to spend bitcoins for at least another 2 decades to have more money by then.

It's obvious which exchanges to use, but I strongly recommend not rely on even big exchanges if they don't have a dedicated and multi pages thread in this forum because clearly this is the main forum for cryptocurrencies and having specially signature campaign in this forum is a must.
Anyways, as others have mentioned Bittrex, c-cex, cex.io, cryptopia, gdax, poswallet, yobit these are so far OK without any financial issues.

You have made 2 identical topics in off topics section to talk about decentralized internet? what is that?
I'm sure you and those misfits know that internet doesn't run with computing power alone, it needs infrastructure, land lines, governments properties etc.
But good luck with that.

I'm still willing to pay $1 buck for one simple and small transaction but this is slowly getting ridiculous and I wont pay higher than $1 unless the size is bigger than 350bytes, I even always try to pay 25-50 satoshi per byte higher than the recommended fee and the blockchain advance send suddenly changes the confirmation time with lower fee and says 10 minutes next block will get confirmed dude I beg you lower your fee lol but I send with current fee anyways.

You see there are actually very cool and understanding people, users such as me not giving any excuse to miners for an unneeded political hard fork.
I'd like to propose a solution which will require the whole community everyone just stop paying any fee higher than 120 sats/B but that never happens since there are people want nothing but to get fast confirmation.

I have noticed recently that new fiat money is being injected in bitcoin market while other alt coins held their marketcap stable or even increasing and the same time bitcoin's marketcap is rising and that shows community still has confidence and people are seeing that bitcoin doesn't easily bent to the manipulations and politics.
I remember a time when ETH pumped $1B then bitcoin's marketcap dropped the same amount and that was obvious wasn't it? but now we can see new investors are entering for BTC.